Wtf you talking about? Axle in my opinion has been great. He posted his testing months ago and I use his stuff and it's good. I also have good blood work. Leave the guy alone it's good source. It's not like he is selling us bunk. If you had a problem with him just go find another source
MESO-Rx
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For bonus points let’s see some enhanced testing on your orals. If something is going to pop positive, especially for heavy metals it would be likely in the orals.
readalot
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readalot
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Unfiltered raws were demonstrated to have metals (no likely not heavy metals) in project 3. Another member confirmed with his own pics. The sources have to be aware of this if they are brewing at 2L batch size and above. But not a mention.
Most likely iron (don't know for fact) but the source who shared the pics with me never isolated the captured particles for testing like he said he would.
The real issue was the metals were in such a limited estimate for concentration...20 to 40 ppm that they may be hard to pick up by EDX in a heterogenous raw sample.
List of Magnetic Metals
Here is a list of magnetic metals. Also, see which metals are non-magnetic and whether there are magnetic nonmetals.
sciencenotes.org
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SwolieGuacamole
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Good point
accidentaljedi173
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I simply asked a question regarding increasing his testing. Why, do I need your permission? I never bullied him into doing it. Simply just asked. Your opinion on the matter and of axle means nothing in this situation.
readalot
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Thank-you to those who chose to hold this "vendor" accountable tonight. I appreciate your efforts. Truly.
accidentaljedi173
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What you say @Axle Labs? You going to give us orals testing also?
readalot
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Since I am "invisible" here to Axle. Ask him about the metals on the stirrer bar and if he would be willing to isolate those and send them in. Let's see his response and if he will admit he is aware of the issue.
Does he brew >= 2L batches. I am going to venture yes.
Chance to redeem yourself @Axle Labs ...the vendor with 9 lives. Depart from your wicked ways.
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So what you’re sayin is metal testing is unnecessary.
Just kidding. Metals in raws has been known about for years. One of Meso’s biggest Sources (TGI) use to talk about it and shared pictures of metal in the raws on his discord. Metals were tested for a lot back in recent years and there was never a concerning report but it may have been because raws and orals weren’t really tested back then for metals. I know you say raws were tested in your project but did that 1 gram raw sample have one of those chunks of metal, unlikely but had a bigger sample been sent I’m sure there would be some. I’m very curious to see what the metal is as well and how it would look on a report.
Gawd damn it. How did I just get excited for the enhanced testing
Well it seems like you have a beef with him. Back in March you congratulate him now you all of a sudden you ask for more testing? I just hate to see anyone shittying on someone because of a beef.
readalot
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readalot
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Yes, you would collect the metal off the stirrer bar and send it in. I spoke with Jano about this but was left hanging by the vendor.
Great plan. Thanks for your thoughts on this and the background history. The metals were shown to be magnetically captured and wouldn't make it through sterile filtration as visible particulates anyway.
Sure why not. I’m waiting on a response from Jano, will keep you all updated.
The issue with this is his are capsules. He could easily pick out the chunks of metal and send in a clean sample capsule. It is also a very small amount of raws that go in to oral capsule. Really need guys/customers to start popping open their capsules and if they see metal send it in to be tested or notify the community and one or a few of us would pay for it to be shipped and tested.
Sorry I know I suggested it but a source could easily pour out the capsule they plan to send in and use a tooth pick or something to brush out the metal.
readalot
Member
Axle can easily post a pic of that stirrer bar. Put those shavings in a vial. Send to Jano. Maybe he can get some self respect back. If he plays dumb, well..IYKYK.
Very simple to sieve a larger amount of raw using the batch stirrer bar. Simple and elegant separation method.
2 L is 400 g of raw for 200 mg/ml.
Will he deny their existence?
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readalot
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I'm on "ignore"...wink wink. So someone has to share with Axle, lol.
I hate lowering myself to play with the a-hole. But I'll swallow my pride to get the testing done.
accidentaljedi173
Well-known Member
Axle and myself have gotten into it sure. But, no beef or hate from me. Just asserting energy into a thread/source worthy of it. Nothing wrong with holding him to the flame. If he passes then this is nothing but good for his business. If this is a positive outcome then I've done nothing but assist axle in leveling up
FastBun
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Are you really that incompetent to know what they are talking about on just that ignorant?
FastBun
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Maybe he will blame muscle candy for stealing his mail next lol…
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