Ball-breaking Newbie

[black0ut]

I would have said you may be better off with less training but i see your poundage has been going up each week. What rep range do you normally stay in?

I been doing the 1 set 12 rep circuit workout, as a shocker before i start my cycle.
I usually do 4 sets 10,8,6,4 or 3 sets 15,10,5 (core exercises) 4 or 5 exercises per body part.
chest day would look like
I'll do 3 sets of dumbell press 15x70's 10x80's 5x90's at a 201 pace
3 sets incline press 15x65's 10x75's 5x85's at 102 pace
4 sets cable flies(dont have my weight book on me) 10,8,6,4 at 602
4 sets machined flies 16,12,8,6 404 (slow relaxed burnout)
then as many pushups as i can do.

I've been doing now 2 sets, 1 being low weight 15 reps, and then 80% of max for 10-12.
My Dumbell bench has gone up 5 pds each hand in 6 weeks.

I also have a VERY small skeletal frame, my wrists are so tiny you can wrap your fingers around them.

It sucks not being able to gain. I did so well for years, only 2 short cycles along the way to give me a push. I just can't gain naturally like most people can. I eat so much all the time, rest well, and can lift a lot of weight at the gym, but i dont have the size to back it up

 

[MANWHORE]

It sounds to me like your doing to much. Forget the pumping and burning sets,all they are going to do for you is use up calories. Concentrate on heavy compound movements like squats,deadlifts,and bench. They will give you more muscle and nervous system stimulation in a shorter timeframe. I am an ectomorph as well,and i am currently training with a modified powerlifting routine. I'm sure many here have much more experience than i do,but i think this will work for you. I don't waste my time with drop sets or supersets. I am concentrating on explosive(as fast as i can go with the heavy weight)reps with a 4sec or so negative. I also use dumbells for bench. I'm using 80lbers right now. It won't hurt for me to get 90s or 100s but money is tight,so i'm working with what i have.

 

[black0ut]

thanks so much bro, would you mind sending me your routine? Hopefully you've had better results than I have. I dont think 90's at 5reps is bad for 6'3ish 200lbs? is it

 

[MANWHORE]

thanks so much bro, would you mind sending me your routine? Hopefully you've had better results than I have. I dont think 90's at 5reps is bad for 6'3ish 200lbs? is it

I just started after more than 2yrs off,so i don't have a routine written down. I just basically do 6-8 reps for deads,squats,and bench. I used to use alot of dropsets and supersets in my routine,because of endurance,but i noticed more muscle gain with a lower rep heavier weight routine. I think it's best to focus on heavier weight for our body type,because we really don't have to worry about fat gain. Endomorphs have a more efficient metabolism and therefore hold more fat,so drop sets and supersets are great for them. I think if you just took out the lighter weight,you'll be fine. 6,000 cal should be more than enough for you.... 90 lb dumbells for 5 reps? I don't think that's bad.... Bad for what? Don't compair your strength to someone elses. As long as you see your strength going up,that's all that matters

 

[bigkb]

Champion, I forgot to tell you that if you are after vascularity and hardness, EQ at about 600mg/week would be a better choice for that than deca. And since you are a hardgainer, the EQ will also help to increase the appetite so you can eat more. I use EQ in every cycle, and always will... I love it.

As far as the hardness goes, that has alot to do with having low bodyfat. So you need to eat properly to obtain hardness. You also need to be sure you are taking anti-estrogens to keep from gaining bodyfat and retaining water. Just as with the other products you have, you also don't have enough Nolva for a cycle... 30 tabs will only last about a month, depending on whether you use 10 or 20mg/day. At any rate, you need more of that too.

Read the stickies at the top of the thread page to learn more about cycles before you start. No hurry bro, you're only 24... heck I'll be 35 soon, I'm the one who should be in a hurry

KB

 

[cathex]

You speak for yourself bro, I'm 40 and i'm just getting started again. Try to mo fo stop me if you can, I love this shit too, it's what lifes worth living for - apart from some good old pussy that is.

Champion, I forgot to tell you that if you are after vascularity and hardness, EQ at about 600mg/week would be a better choice for that than deca. And since you are a hardgainer, the EQ will also help to increase the appetite so you can eat more. I use EQ in every cycle, and always will... I love it.

As far as the hardness goes, that has alot to do with having low bodyfat. So you need to eat properly to obtain hardness. You also need to be sure you are taking anti-estrogens to keep from gaining bodyfat and retaining water. Just as with the other products you have, you also don't have enough Nolva for a cycle... 30 tabs will only last about a month, depending on whether you use 10 or 20mg/day. At any rate, you need more of that too.

Read the stickies at the top of the thread page to learn more about cycles before you start. No hurry bro, you're only 24... heck I'll be 35 soon, I'm the one who should be in a hurry

KB

 

[Grizzly]

precisely...reason why 1st cycle is almost always best.

Precisely fucking wrong!!!!!!....but who knows, maybe someone has pointed that out alread, I'll have to read the rest of the posts.

 

[Grizzly]

I can't read any more. My world is in shambles. Holy fuck! Manwhore, you made a post that not only made sense, but was factually correct. Are you sick today? LOL Those were great posts and 100% correct. Amazing!

Blackout- Quit being a bitch. You have reached the maximum of nothing if you haven't gained a lb in a year. Why haven't you gained ANYTHING? Really simple answer: you don't eat enough. YOu CAN NOT argue that. If you haven't gained a lb in a year, then you are not eating enough. End of the fucking story.

 

[black0ut]

I can't read any more. My world is in shambles. Holy fuck! Manwhore, you made a post that not only made sense, but was factually correct. Are you sick today? LOL Those were great posts and 100% correct. Amazing!

Blackout- Quit being a bitch. You have reached the maximum of nothing if you haven't gained a lb in a year. Why haven't you gained ANYTHING? Really simple answer: you don't eat enough. YOu CAN NOT argue that. If you haven't gained a lb in a year, then you are not eating enough. End of the fucking story.

I was hoping some jackass would say something stupid. I dont know what it is, the more i eat, the more i sweat. I have a hyperthyroid condition though, as i stated in another post, which is why the doc said i cant gain weight.

 

[champion339]

thanks heaps for your advice guys, really appreciate it. Good call about waiting a while - i guess i'll just stick to the bloody creatine, glutamine and hmb for another while.

Thanks to juicecraven too. I'll take that advice on board. However i object to the insinuation that i was bull-shitting about my bodyfat and lying about declaring the roids i brought back. Not sure what the regulations are in your part of the world, but its no crime to DECLARE something down under. I actually declared some xenadrine (the old stuff with ma huang in it) which was confiscated. Your guess is as good as mine as to why the fellow allowed me to keep the gear. And also, i think its erroneous to assume that i dont know how to train properly (or measure bodyfat) simply because my roid knowledge isnt up to scratch ... after all, i came here to get better informed. That aside, thanks heaps for your input - its much appreciated.

Just one final query, there is no expiry date on the any of the gear ive got. Given that i'm gonna need to get my hands on some more gear down the track, is there much danger of this stuff going past its expiry date? is it a problem if it does?

 

[KOMT]

well if you are dead set on doing a cycle, i suggest you go back to thailand and spend more money on enough stuff to do it right, instead of buying little amounts of different compunds. Everybody here is in a nice way telling you that you are small. 6'3" 210 at (supposedly) 7% is not big at all, unless you were a 14 year old in a rec league basketball tournament. Also, I doubt you are 7% fat, meaning you have even less LBM than you think, simply because that is ridiculously hard to achieve. Since you believe you are maxed out naturally and are 7% fat, I can assume you are ignorant and dont train properly. all you need to do to gain size is TRAIN HARD AND SMART, EAT AND SLEEP A LOT. I apologize for this being a flame, but the fact that you dont have test, dont have dosages for ANYTHING, and want to use deca for vascularity, pisses me off that you wont listen to anybody. Bigkb gave you excellent advice and all here suggest you take it. you are the kind of dumb schmuck that gives a community like this a bad name when he injures himself for life and/or cries and tells on everybody he can when he DECLARES illegal substances at customs and "somehow" manages to get in trouble down the line.

OH SNAP! lol@ the verbal beatdown on this poor newb

 

[Grizzly]

I was hoping some jackass would say something stupid. I dont know what it is, the more i eat, the more i sweat. I have a hyperthyroid condition though, as i stated in another post, which is why the doc said i cant gain weight.

Wow, and AS are not known for making people sweat more than usual. Good thing you're choosing the less sweaty route. And, of course, it's a wonderful thing that AS can make muscles materialize out of thin air even when the appropriate amount of calories are not consumed. That's a good thing for you, huh? I mean, if you take steroids, you'll magically grow and you won't even have to worry about eating anymore. Congratulations, you just solved your problems. LMAO

 

[tazz]

i managed to get my hands on 200 tabs of Stanol and 150 tabs of Anabol, as well as 30 tabs of Nolvadex and 20 tabs of Clomid. Got everything from a 'pharmicist' in Thailand and managed, somehow, to get them past the sniffer dogs in Sydney airport (felt like some fucker with condoms of smack up my cinnamon ring!). Anyway, the Stanol has 5mg of stanozolol in each tab - the same as winnie... right? And the Anabol has 2mg of Methandienone - is this the same as Dianabol? The bloke behind the counter was trying to reassure me that they're the same.

I was hoping that someone might be able to offer advice on how best to construct my first ever cycle from these ingredients. Has anyone had experience with these same Thai pharmaceuticals? The country is in absolute disarray, and i was kind of wondering how in hell they could negotiate the manufacture of proper medicines!

I was thinking that if i added some deca, like 300mg a week for 8 weeks, i could probably construct something pretty neat with what ive already got. Still, i'm a little dubious about injecting stuff.
My main aim is vascularity and hardness and, considering i've more or less achieved what i believe i can naturally, i figure its time to get a bit serious about things like all of you bigmuthafuckers!!!

i'm 6'3, 24years old, weigh 210 pounds at 7% bodyfat. Been lifting seriously for 4 years.

thanks in advance for any input

cheers

champion

Next time try smuggling one of those 120ml jugs of test up your ass up your ass . .. . . .the hell with the dogs. . . . lol