Besides MESO, what other board....

[stayinalive]

If they pay the site owner in any way,shape,or form. Be very careful,that goes for ANY forum. Don't think just because on one site you feel safe you actually are,you aren't. Someone else has a different agenda and it usually includes fucking your ass for money. So be very careful,don't be fooled by fake reviews,don't be fooled by shiny boxes and nice website,that shit means nothing.

 

[Dr JIM]

I also tend to stay away from overfriendly forums. Creeps me the fuck out. No one is that nice.

At least NOT when they are running AAS, LOL

AAS have tendency to keep even the nice guys a little closer to the edge IME

 

[Dr JIM]

So be very careful,don't be fooled by fake reviews,don't be fooled by shiny boxes and nice website,that shit means nothing.

Why sure it means the involved "lab" placed a significant portion of their investment dollar into "curb appeal" and one can only hope product quality was not compromised to control costs.

And most labs know how important curb appeal may be to first time buyers ====== look at some of Meo's AAS reviews for an example === why much of the discussion is about "packaging, labeling and overall appearance".

Moreover a bright and professional appearance tends to enhance the placebo effect of MANY UGL products IMO

Sort of ironic now but I remember mentioning to @mands the Ansome GH had to be GTG IF the packaging was a legitimate reflection of what's IN the package. (I believe it was Ansome GH, but please correct me if wrong @mands or @Eman ?)

I was WRONG the vial contained STARCH! LOL

But of course I agree the packaging is an absolutely POOR reflection of any UGLs quality.

 

[Eman]

Sort of ironic now but I remember mentioning to @mands the Ansome GH had to be GTG IF the packaging was a legitimate reflection of what's IN the package. (I believe it was Ansome GH, but please correct me if wrong @mands or @Eman ?)

I was WRONG the vial contained STARCH! LOL

It was xytojen... I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to buy this stuff based on it's packaging! It was being sold on Instagram though I think lok.

 

[Mister Loco]

Bodybuilding.com

 

[Ripped]

If you are looking for a site with alot of good info to research to gain more knowledge then

Steroids.com

is a good tool.

 

[MiaRage22]

I appreciate all the info/advice gentlemen!

 

[Dr JIM]

NEVER rely on a PED source forum for valid info on products being sold and that includes all-inclusive sites such as Steroids.com

For example this is an excerpt from that site on Ostarine - "This compound (Ostra) is not going to pack on 30 pounds of weight in a matter of WEEKS like Anadrol will" ----

To that end one thing is certain if you can tolerate advertiser pop-ups every 5-10 minutes, these sites have a tendency to grossly exaggerate the "benefits", and limit the risks of all PED's IMO!

 

[Ripped]

NEVER rely on a PED source forum for valid info on products being sold and that includes all-inclusive sites such as Steroids.com

For example this is an excerpt from that site on Ostarine - This compound (Ostra) is not going to pack on 30 pounds of weight in a matter of WEEKS like Anadrol ----

To that end one thing is certain if you can tolerate pop-ups every 5-10 minutes, these sites have a tendency to grossly exaggerate the "benefits", and limit the risks of all PED's IMO!

I have found alot of good info there and have also seen millard quote from the site.
But yes I agree not all 100% of any website will have all valid info no doubt.

 

[Ripped]

NEVER rely on a PED source forum for valid info on products being sold and that includes all-inclusive sites such as Steroids.com

For example this is an excerpt from that site on Ostarine - This compound (Ostra) is not going to pack on 30 pounds of weight in a matter of WEEKS like Anadrol ----

To that end one thing is certain if you can tolerate pop-ups every 5-10 minutes, these sites have a tendency to grossly exaggerate the "benefits", and limit the risks of all PED's IMO!

It would be nice to have all the facts in one place but even then I believe it would still be debated. lol

 

[Dr JIM]

It was xytojen... I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to buy this stuff based on it's packaging! It was being sold on Instagram though I think lok.

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With such impressive packaging, one can only wonder how many "benefited" from the effects of placebo.

THX for the clarification mate

 

[Dr JIM]

It would be nice to have all the facts in one place but even then I believe it would still be debated. lol

I don't know what there is to debate, bc the onus is on the reader to have a very good understanding of all the facts, as the aim of source boards is always the same, PRODUCT SALES, rather than user "education".

 

[Fattest_animal]

At least NOT when they are running AAS, LOL

AAS have tendency to keep even the nice guys a little closer to the edge IME

Absolutely agree with those statements hahaha. I'm experiencing them a little. I'm really patient, but there are some things that just plain annoy me really fast at the moment. Anyways, I enjoyed our little chat.

 

[Dr JIM]

With such impressive packaging, one can only wonder how many "benefited" from the effects of placebo.

Hold on there one minute Jim, having performed only one assay on this product, applyimg the results to ALL Xytogen GH, is a bit presumptuous don't ya think?

FACT IS I've seen you admonish this type of "extrapolation" elsewhere, including yours and @mands "Generic GH" threads!

 

[Ripped]

Hold on there one minute Jim, having performed only one assay on this product, applyimg the results to ALL Xytogen GH, is a bit presumptuous don't ya think?

FACT IS I've seen you admonish this type of "extrapolation" elsewhere, including yours and @mands "Generic GH" threads!

I hope you get yourself straighten out. lol

 

[Dr JIM]

Hold on there one minute Jim, having performed only one assay on this product, applyimg the results to ALL Xytogen GH, is a bit presumptuous don't ya think?

FACT IS I've seen you admonish this type of "extrapolation" elsewhere, including yours and @mands "Generic GH" threads!

That was Jim being facetious highlighted with sarcasm and a touch of cynicism, BUT you're absolutely correct, results obtained from a single assay are relatively meaningless, which is why Xytogen and a few of the other GGH products need to be run thru the mill again.

Nonetheless, can a Meso mate provide further insight on their Xytogen EXPERIENCE ?

 

[Dr JIM]

I hope you get yourself straighten out. lol

Actually we all, including "Jim", need to be reminded about the limits of lab testing, bc very few "results" are as black and white as MANY believe or interpret them to be.

 

[Dr JIM]

To that end although commonly used as PO drug excipients, I'm baffled how an otherwise uncategorized "starch" would end up as the primary, if not the only compound, in a vial of that is supposed to contain GH.

Bc of it's cohesive properties starch is an ideal excipient for many drug tablets or capsules.

However unless a parenteral drug manufacture likes the idea of a less soluble compact wad, rather than a lyophilized product at the bottom of a vial, only small amounts of starch would be permissible.

So in this instance I'm inclined to believe there was a deliberate attempt to deceive consumers ------ AND for that reason the results of a single assay may will represent the entire lot ------- a deliberate attempt to DEFRAUD consumers.

Compare this to say a GT lab that lacks the QC, oversight, or checks and balances of a Pharma facility. Sure their QC needs improving but it's impossible to know if they are deliberately shorting the consumer.

 

[Ripped]

To that end although commonly used as PO drug excipients, I'm baffled how an otherwise uncategorized "starch" would end up as the primary, if not the only compound, in a vial of that is supposed to contain GH.

Bc of it's cohesive properties starch is an ideal excipient for many drug tablets or capsules.

However unless a parenteral drug manufacture likes the idea of a less soluble compact wad, rather than a lyophilized product at the bottom of a vial, only small amounts of starch would be permissible.

So in this instance I'm inclined to believe there was a deliberate attempt to deceive consumers ------ AND for that reason the results of a single assay may will represent the entire lot ------- a deliberate attempt to DEFRAUD consumers.

Compare this to say a GT lab that lacks the QC, oversight, or checks and balances of a Pharma facility. Sure their QC needs improving but it's impossible to know if they are deliberately shorting the consumer.

I understand what you are saying I agree one sample cannot represent every sample afterwards only periodical testing for QC could give an overall idea as to the consistency.
Just like taking one subpar IGF and making a judgment on all products afterwards even though there was 10 Consistent IGF scores before one subpar.
Just some of my opinion on the matter also.

 

[Ambiguous]

How to find good domestic UGLs? Google search legit primo and legit var or something similar regarding primo and var. Some labs will come up over and over. Research those labs further then research them some more.