Best compounds to boost Cardio for an Old martial artist

[Alpha1Wolf]

48 Years old on TRT. In my younger days I use to fight Muay Thai, now just train regularly for the love of the game, stay in shape and (secretly) see if i can keep up with these youngsters. Cardio is gradually getting worse and worse. I'm sure it is due to older age, but also I suspect TRT. Been searching compounds to help boost my cardio, some suggest EPO, Cardarine. Any thoughts or recommendations? Much appreciate the help.

 

[lukiss96]

Don't know, but for me steroids like high test, deca and eq just for example give bad pump that is counterproductive for doing cardio. I have always felt way more athletic on 250mg Test only or even less like a true cruise dose of 150mg/week. I reckon hgh at higher doses would make it worse too.

 

[Jeffholio5]

I always “feel” like my cardio improves if I add eq into the mix but don’t have any data to back that up.

 

[120nmol]

EQ - it’s for horses bro ..
Will raise everything that your body needs to hold more oxygen in the red blood cells

Turinabol - this shit was designed for athletes..

I’d stay clear from cardarine it was more designed as another method to lower cholesterol.

 

[DugPrime]

You must start by getting your iron levels as high as possible (within range). I'm personally at 50mg a day, and it works for me.

Then, add 1mg of Cyanocobalamin (a form of vitamin B12) every day via injection (SubQ or IM) to increase your RBC.

I've used Cardarine once in my life, and it feels like you have infinite oxygen, but I wouldn't recommend it as it may cause cancer.

 

[LGOP528]

MOTS-C, EQ, TBOL, Winstrol (but I wouldn’t recommend it) all worked for me.

Biggest thing is not overtraining. Bad cardio is the first big clue for me that I am overtraining or under recovering for some reason.

With martial arts, you don’t have a quantitative metric to spot fatigue like you do for weight lifting.

 

[Alpha1Wolf]

Appreciate everyones input. I'm currently on 125 Test a week ( TRT). I'm thinking start with B-12 ( also possibly MOTS) as probably easiest, see how it goes. Later add EQ or Turinabol. Later 2, i assume, i should run as cycles: 8-12 weeks on, 8-12 weeks off?

 

[Jeffholio5]

Appreciate everyones input. I'm currently on 125 Test a week ( TRT). I'm thinking start with B-12 ( also possibly MOTS) as probably easiest, see how it goes. Later add EQ or Turinabol. Later 2, i assume, i should run as cycles: 8-12 weeks on, 8-12 weeks off?

I think at lower doses you could run eq indefinitely with your trt, tbol I’d run as a cycle 8-12 weeks depending on your labs.

 

[Benf15harp]

I’d start with doing more cardio.

 

[Alpha1Wolf]

I’d start with doing more cardio.

This guy!

 

[primojuju]

Aight, this has basically been my life for the past 3 years.Trying to keep up with the teenagers and young 20s guys in Judo,bjj, and muy thai. I have come to the conclusion that no amount of drugs over generous trt will make a SUSTAINABLE substantial difference for performance. The name of the game is recovery and conditioning. The only way to get better at your desired martial art or sport is to train as intelligently as possible and then use drugs to optimize recovery to MAXIMIZE time on the mats. 150-300 test, 2-4 ius of gh is where I landed with this. Of course you can use any combo of primo,mast,bold with ur test and it might work a little better for you given personal prefrence. All the orals made me cramp like a mf no matter how much taurine or electylytes i take in, so I sidelined those. Test base for me works wonders pre match but im dead to world 6 hours after that shot.
As far as endurance and cardio goes I would skip EPO, if you were a tiny man trying to pedal a bike up the side of a mountain I would say go for it but not for this.500mg Inj l carnatine,20mg gw01516,and 20mg sr9009 all 1 hour before class/match are what I use when i need to give myself added cardio capabilities. This only gives me about 10-15% more endurance, and I consider it unsustainable because the l carnitine gives me insomnia after the third day in a row of doing it so I limit this to 3-4 times a week. Of course do your research and asses your risk profile for GW and SR, l carnitine I beleive is quite safe in almost any amount as long as you tolerate the injections and dont get insomnia. If you want some extras you can see if modafinal and albuterol give you a little bump in reaction time and breathing, some people love them.

The biggest things you can do for your cardio is lose fat, maximise your power to weight ratio, and work on the v02 training you desire for performance.

 

[Mrhairyman]

EPO Tbol

 

[LGOP528]

EPO seems like WAY too much for a masters Athlete to manage and not worth the risk. This is for fun. There are some really good write ups on EPO here.

 

[intense_bulldoze]

EPO seems like WAY too much for a masters Athlete to manage and not worth the risk. This is for fun. There are some really good write ups on EPO here.

Yeah, strong no on EPO for me. Cardarine I am ok with. Good ol' E/C/A stack can help, just don't go crazy on the caffeine and ephedrine dosage in a day.

 

[Alpha1Wolf]

EPO might be overkill ( based on what i read about it). I will be the guinea pig and test rest of compounds in order from mildest to strongest, and will monitor endurance, max heart rate, etc. Will report ( though i suspect it will take a while). Unfortunately ECA is a no go for me. Tried it before, did complete opposite, too much of a stimulant, and I was maxing out on my heart rate quicker.

 

[Astartes]

MOTS-C, EQ, TBOL, Winstrol (but I wouldn’t recommend it) all worked for me.

Biggest thing is not overtraining. Bad cardio is the first big clue for me that I am overtraining or under recovering for some reason.

With martial arts, you don’t have a quantitative metric to spot fatigue like you do for weight lifting.

He brings up a good point on the overtraining piece at our age particularly. You can basically do 1.5x recovery time for folks 45+

 

[Alpha1Wolf]

He brings up a good point on the overtraining piece at our age particularly. You can basically do 1.5x recovery time for folks 45+

You call it overtraining, I call it Tuesday! Just kidding. I've been doing this long enough , to where I THINK I know what my body is telling me. But quite honestly , I don't think it's overtraining, probably just combination of test and old age ( and Bourbon, but I need to for my PTSD and mental health, lol) . At this point in life , if I can get something to boost my cardio a bit - great, if not , also not big deal. Just the old dog in me doesn't want to let it go. Must be a ranger thing.

 

[Alpha1Wolf]

Btw, appreciate everyone's input.

 

[LGOP528]

You call it overtraining, I call it Tuesday! Just kidding. I've been doing this long enough , to where I THINK I know what my body is telling me. But quite honestly , I don't think it's overtraining, probably just combination of test and old age ( and Bourbon, but I need to for my PTSD and mental health, lol) . At this point in life , if I can get something to boost my cardio a bit - great, if not , also not big deal. Just the old dog in me doesn't want to let it go. Must be a ranger thing.

6 years as a paratrooper and I understand the mentality. Honestly, I would bet a lot of money this is from fatigue.

This was exactly what I was thinking 6-8 months ago when I was getting ready for masters worlds. You can probably go through my post and see where I was asking about my dose being too high and that causing my cardio to take a hit. I was training 6 days a week and then added the gym but I thought it’s only an 1-2 hours a day. I used to go hard all day long drink till 3 am then get up and go to PT. I was overtraining, I dialed it back and my cardio came back. I just figured I would prioritize sleep and I would be ok but it wasn’t enough. I kept going and now I have been off the mats for two months because my disc went out. I need bjj for my mental health as well and it sucks being out this long. I wish I would have listened to what my body was telling me. It sucks getting old and I can still whip those 20 year olds but I need a lot more recovery. I just had to learn the hard way. My training will look very different when I get back.

Add all these compounds, hell half the fun is experimenting but definitely don’t skip on the extra recovery.

 

[psauce]

Before you start injecting shit, have you used caffeine? Get some tablets from Amazon for almost nothing and take them before you train. Whether it’s BJJ, lifting, or cross country running, caffeine helps.

It’s one of like 3-4 (legal) supplements that actually works and makes a serious difference. There’s also no downside except maybe sleep disruption and addiction.

Edit - Overtraining feels like the flu. Body aches, headache, fuzzy cognition, maybe even a slight increase in body temperature. It occurs in the context of lots of training with inadequate rest and food. If this is you, go to a Mexican restaurant and get their biggest combo platter, then go home to sleep for as long as you can.