For the first cycle use test. If you also use an ai it will keep bloating down. Next cycle add mast.
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Anabolic Steroids
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FuriousWO
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Did I miss something? He is asking for a first cycle, lean gains.
Okay now I see. I posted on new member forum about this. Too young bro sorry.
My 2cents:
Training natty is VERY different than training with chemicals. I NEVER ever found working out 5 or 6 days a week was beneficial at all(natty). Worst mistake ever-following a routine the pro's use or any other 20 set workout designed for some one with far better genetics and steroids. My advice is this start out working out...in a gym 3 days/week full body workouts. Start with squats then proceed to next largest muscle group. Ie. Squats-back-chest-arms. Keep your workouts based on strength gains ONLY. As a hard gainer its really your only shot. Everyone can improve strength and size always follows strength. Look up mike mentzer please. Its a great way to get you started. As a natty you must respect your body's recoverability. Since that is what steroids actually enhance.
-good luck
Training natty is VERY different than training with chemicals. I NEVER ever found working out 5 or 6 days a week was beneficial at all(natty). Worst mistake ever-following a routine the pro's use or any other 20 set workout designed for some one with far better genetics and steroids. My advice is this start out working out...in a gym 3 days/week full body workouts. Start with squats then proceed to next largest muscle group. Ie. Squats-back-chest-arms. Keep your workouts based on strength gains ONLY. As a hard gainer its really your only shot. Everyone can improve strength and size always follows strength. Look up mike mentzer please. Its a great way to get you started. As a natty you must respect your body's recoverability. Since that is what steroids actually enhance.
-good luck
HuckingFuge
New Member
do you some serious research. that way you have a good idea of what should be happening. diet is the hardest part for everyone. make sure you research how the body builds muscles. than you can decide if you want to do AAS, cause in the end it is your choice and no one else.
SMFH......dumbass
@Krixus go check out the greyskull post I made in the training section. Download the lp books and follow it and the swole diet method book I linked. The program is perfect for you.
If you follow that program for a year and get your bench to over 250, squat over 300, deads up to 350 and press upto bodyweight, I guarantee you will be much happier with your physique and you will probably be getting pretty close to ready for aas.
Sorry at this time you aren't ready. Also you need to log your meals on myfitnesspal.
Thinking the same thing but was trying to refrain from calling names LoL.
bigpoppachump
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I agree 100% I made the same mistakes starting out. I found that when I was lifting all natural my best routine was a 2 on 1 off 2 on 2 off schedule. Upper day one lower day two. After a couple months I added more variations to my lifts but that was pretty much it and I was able to hit 205lbs after 1.5 years at about 12 to 15% body fat and I'm 5'10 with a medium frame. The first six months of my 2 natural years were doing some rediculous pro routine and all I did was lean out and harden without putting on much mass which made me think that I was one of the fabled "hard gainers" turns out I wasn't I just had a shitty routine for being a natty.
pittbox
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everybody feels that way bro,welcome to bodybuilding.
you could work your way up to a 3 lift total over a ton and weigh 300lbs and you will still strive for more.
its the name of the game.
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weighted chinup
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Protein Synthesis for naturals does not last very long...drugs can extend this process which is why training 1 muscle group only once a week (like a bro split) is so common in high level bb'ing.
Something you guys have to keep in mind is that you don't need to be fully recovered to train again, especially if hypertrophy is your primary goal. Systemic Recovery is pretty much finished in about 48 hours. If you want to GUARANTEE a PR or a strength increase on a consistent basis in your programming then recovery becomes very imporant, that is why 5x5's give you all that time off.
Routines that take a single factor approach to recovery are ideal for beginners because they are weak and getting strong should be their main priority. Guys who are stronger or more BB oriented need to substantially increase their volume, which will require a deload week every now and then to guarantee full recovery and to progress at an optimal rate.
I think most guys worry too much about recovery and over training...you can do an ass load of weekly volume and recover and grow just fine...you don't even need to do a structured deload phase..I don't, just lighten up on the intensity a little bit and in a few days you should be progressing optimally again.
Training something less frequently (like a mike mentzer routine) will gaurentee recovery..most likely meaning you are going to get stronger or get a PR...but these routines don't often have enough stimulus to grow. You're getting stronger but weekly volume is simply too low...where as training more frequently or with more volume will provide better stimulus...although stimulus you might not be fully able to recover from if you continue accumulating fatigue...which is where deloads come in handy...
Something you guys have to keep in mind is that you don't need to be fully recovered to train again, especially if hypertrophy is your primary goal. Systemic Recovery is pretty much finished in about 48 hours. If you want to GUARANTEE a PR or a strength increase on a consistent basis in your programming then recovery becomes very imporant, that is why 5x5's give you all that time off.
Routines that take a single factor approach to recovery are ideal for beginners because they are weak and getting strong should be their main priority. Guys who are stronger or more BB oriented need to substantially increase their volume, which will require a deload week every now and then to guarantee full recovery and to progress at an optimal rate.
I think most guys worry too much about recovery and over training...you can do an ass load of weekly volume and recover and grow just fine...you don't even need to do a structured deload phase..I don't, just lighten up on the intensity a little bit and in a few days you should be progressing optimally again.
Training something less frequently (like a mike mentzer routine) will gaurentee recovery..most likely meaning you are going to get stronger or get a PR...but these routines don't often have enough stimulus to grow. You're getting stronger but weekly volume is simply too low...where as training more frequently or with more volume will provide better stimulus...although stimulus you might not be fully able to recover from if you continue accumulating fatigue...which is where deloads come in handy...
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Dont tell Dorian Yates This he still believes in doing body parts once a week,but what does he know......
Denkallberry
New Member
Well that's an issue. An aggressive doc who doesn't live in the stone ages will keep your levels high normal (1000). So if you want to get on something, that's where I'd start - a good doc with a legal scrip. Also if you are a hard gainer I'd get thyroid checked immediately. You may be hyper. If that's the case, get that thyroid slowed down and I promise you will gain some weight.
Tony Bosch got locked up, It will be hard to find another doc that will put you TRT in your twenties, with average test levels.
weighted chinup
Member
Yeah but so does every other pro under the sun...they all have a few things in common too: they are all extremely strong, they are all on a disgusting amount of drugs, and they have top tier genetics.
Doing a body part once a week has its advantages. It lets you split up your work even further, meaning you can do more exercises, which will mean more variety and more motor unit recruitment, more volume etc). Ideal for someone who is extremely strong who probably isn't going to get much stronger.
Show me a guy who is as weak as a kitten that will benefit more from training a muscle group once a week than a higher frequency routine...
HuckingFuge
New Member
I do one body part a week. actually even doing one body part a week you incorporate other muscle groups too. I am agreeing with you
Oh yea now you believe you the first fella who wants that which can not be achieved, lol
You want to gain weight you will develop some degree of bloat bc the metabolism of foodstuffs GENERATES WATER and the amount is proportional to the caloric intake.
Now there are some modifications which can lessen that retention but their effect is modest at best.
What do you see the pro BB doing "off season" gaining weight and bulking up (better believe they are QUITE PUFFY") until the onset of competition season arrives when they "cut"!
regas
jim
It's called give and take when it comes to gaining weight....give your order at Burger King and take all the double burgers when they hand them to you lol...
Seriously eat as much protein as you can up to six times a day. Force feed yourself and it will be the toughest three weeks in your life! Your stomach will get bigger from all the food consumption (but it's not fat, it's bloat) in the morning you will look great again, but all the food will bloat you by night time! If you do this and weigh yourself the same time each month...train with powerlifters who will encourage you how to lift big safely and keep track of your lifts...you'll be seeing gains!!
The advice from everyone about food and strength are correct.
I'm 5'9 and at my heaviest I was 260 pounds "mostly" muscle...ehh, cept for about 25lbs.
I've never done steroids. At least not properly lol...long story but...I started weight training at 135 lbs. So it was done with food and training only. I'm old now..oh well.
It can be done!! And if you do it right you will start sweating a bunch as the body becomes a human furnace....you'll see.
Get a logbook and keep track of your strengths (flex against the weights on the way up and slow the weights down on the negative. Form is first and then weight increases secondly. Then increase reps then weight then weight ...etc.
Stay natural as long as humanly possible and then some lol.
You can do it!!
Good luck!
Seriously eat as much protein as you can up to six times a day. Force feed yourself and it will be the toughest three weeks in your life! Your stomach will get bigger from all the food consumption (but it's not fat, it's bloat) in the morning you will look great again, but all the food will bloat you by night time! If you do this and weigh yourself the same time each month...train with powerlifters who will encourage you how to lift big safely and keep track of your lifts...you'll be seeing gains!!
The advice from everyone about food and strength are correct.
I'm 5'9 and at my heaviest I was 260 pounds "mostly" muscle...ehh, cept for about 25lbs.
I've never done steroids. At least not properly lol...long story but...I started weight training at 135 lbs. So it was done with food and training only. I'm old now..oh well.
It can be done!! And if you do it right you will start sweating a bunch as the body becomes a human furnace....you'll see.
Get a logbook and keep track of your strengths (flex against the weights on the way up and slow the weights down on the negative. Form is first and then weight increases secondly. Then increase reps then weight then weight ...etc.
Stay natural as long as humanly possible and then some lol.
You can do it!!
Good luck!
