best steroids for results:side effect ratio

[Adogg4]

I was wondering what do you all think of as the best steroid(s) to produce gains in lean muscle, with the lowest side effects (i.e. hair loss, acne, bloat) not so much worried about the bloat as with the hairloss and acne. Right now I am still deciding on what my first cycle should be and looking at all my options. Perhaps a basic 400mg/week of test along with a dex? ALso what is the best thing to prevent hair loss on test? ANd also to prevent acne. Lastly is there anything to take that would help prevent hair loss and acne when using a steroid such as winstrol or dbol which dont convert much to dht? Thanks

 

[cracka]

Eq...

 

[Deacon]

I would advise test and EQ or test and tren - if you really research tren the sides are mostly overrated and except for nightsweats and insomnia many dont get anything else.

 

[jocko]

test eq

 

[DoiMiNioN]

Deacon

Dude.. dont tell the dude to do Tren his first cycle.. That stuff shuts down your HPTA and that is BAD NEWS.. You will get nice gains YES.. but safe.. i dont think so.. you have to be careful and take your HCG/novla for PCT..

Deacon im sure your talking from your experience and bros youve spoken with.. But i think you may agree that shutting down your HPTA is no mild side

Peace

Dom.

 

[BamBam]

rookie here....
whats HPTA?


thanks

 

[Captain Planet]

rookie here....
whats HPTA?


thanks

You need to research this more on your own so as to not hijack this thread, but I will give you a breif synopsis:

The HPTA axis is the Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Testicular Axis, and I may have spelled all of those things wrong lol. When using AAS, the negative feedback mechanism (research that as well) causes the Hypothalamus to send the Pituitary a message to tell the Testies to stop producing testosterone.

Someone correct me if I am wrong on any of this btw. I'm just trying to help....

 

[eleven11]

If your worried about hairloss then start proscar (propecia) now as it takes a while to get in your system. it will keep dht from getting to your hair. but if hairloss is not in your family you might not have anything to worry about but I'd take it anyway.............11

 

[DoiMiNioN]

Newbies want to read on post cycle therapy.. and HPTA
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par31.htm

Captain - your right.. basically it stops production of hormones which then trigger the testies for the production of testosterone. THat means you are not producing natural testosterone and your balls shrink to the size of raisens.

I fell smaller than a 10 year old boy

anwyays..,. you have to take HCG/Nolva on tren otherwise your natural test will take a LOONG time to kick back in and you will lose alot of your gains.

 

[dolfe1]

Nobody has to research shit here if they don't want to, this is a discussion board, you can ask any and all questions so long as the question is in the right forum. If you do not like a question someone has asked do not respond.

 

[superman15]

just curious, if loss of hair runs in your family, is it in your moms father right? correct me please if im wrong, thanks.

 

[SikFuk!]

Dominion - Thanks for the post - that was educational, glad I read it.

 

[eleven11]

just curious, if loss of hair runs in your family, is it in your moms father right? correct me please if im wrong, thanks.

I've heard the same thing.............11

 

[jaydub30]

just curious, if loss of hair runs in your family, is it in your moms father right? correct me please if im wrong, thanks.

AHH.. the old baldness question. Baldness is a gender specific dominate trait in males. Meaning - if you are a male you only need one gene, on you PAIR of chromosomes, and, you will go bald. However, if you are female you would need the gene for balding on both chromosomes to go bald.

The other thing is, baldness is triggered by your highest testosterone levels, which males hit at around 18yrs old but, females dont hit until menepause late 50's early 60's....it does get a bit more complicated than this but, this is the easiest way to explain it... there are other factors envolved with how quickly one becomes bald after reaching ones natural test peak. steroids can play a major factor here.

So, you CAN become bald even if there is no baldness on your mothers side.

Fortunatley, i have no balding on either side of my family... so im golden

 

[Adogg4]

how does this sound:

Weeks 1-10: 400mg EQ/week
Weeks 1-6: 100mg Test prop/EOD
Weeks 7-12: 50mg Winstrol/ED
Weeks 12-14: 2000IU HCG every 5th day
Weeks 12-15: 300 mg clomid day 1, 200mg/ED days 2-7, 100mg/ED days 8-21

How does this cycle sound in terms of gains and side effects?

I have access to A-dex or femara also, and avodart.

 

[Musclez]

You need to research this more on your own so as to not hijack this thread, but I will give you a breif synopsis:

The HPTA axis is the Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Testicular Axis, and I may have spelled all of those things wrong lol. When using AAS, the negative feedback mechanism (research that as well) causes the Hypothalamus to send the Pituitary a message to tell the Testies to stop producing testosterone.

Someone correct me if I am wrong on any of this btw. I'm just trying to help....

Well just to correct, it's not so much that the hypo sends a signal to the pituitary which sends a signal telling the testes to stop producing test,,,but rather it is high test levels detected by the hypo which tell it to STOP producinga hormone (gonadatropin releasing hormone or FSH i think) which causes the pituitary to STOP producing it's hormone (LH i believe),,,and it would be the presence of LH which would signal the leydig cells to produce test. That's more of what is meant by negative feedback,,,the presence of a hormone causes the inhibition of other hormones and itself.

I also have a problem with people asking questions and being told to do some research,,,that is what this board is for,,,asking questions and doing research. To me there's nothing more annoying than someone saying to do research, when that is exactly what the guy is trying to do,,,wooo, had to vent a bit.

Musclez

 

[SikFuk!]

how does this sound:

Weeks 1-10: 400mg EQ/week
Weeks 1-6: 100mg Test prop/EOD
Weeks 7-12: 50mg Winstrol/ED
Weeks 12-14: 2000IU HCG every 5th day
Weeks 12-15: 300 mg clomid day 1, 200mg/ED days 2-7, 100mg/ED days 8-21

How does this cycle sound in terms of gains and side effects?

I have access to A-dex or femara also, and avodart.

From what I have read/researched - and I am not expert - I would drop the clomid for nolva. The emotional sides as well as others makes nolva a better choice...here are some links from other peoples opinions:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catnolv.htm

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par25.htm

These are both from the same source, so it is only one persons opinion, but from what I have read he seems to me to be on point, hope this helps!!

-Sikness