Big Karch

[aragorn1500]

I don't know how popular he was with a lot of people, but someone posted over on Basskiller site that Karch died recently. Here's the link.


Bigkarch - World Class Bodybuilding Forum

 

[penche]

I remember him back in the day. The dude helped a lot of members out. Sucks.

 

[Big_paul]

RIP

 

[Ozzy619]

I read up on homeboy. Like a good boy I've done searches and read posts about homeboy. His fat chick post was funny as shit.

Never met you Karchie, but may you RIP. Lots of brothers here, myself included, that feel you. It's a hard life to quit. RIP brother of iron. Save a bench for me

 

[mugzy]

Big Karch had a lot to offer and was always helpful. The last 7,8 years were tough for him. RIP my friend.

 

[Big_paul]

I joined Mesorx in 2000. Total fucking noob. It was the wild west then, and this bro help a lot of guys NOT GET BURNED.

Very few of you would remember him. Its been years since he posted much here, but just so you guys know, he was a pain in the ass at times , but he was a bro and did a valuable service to this board just like so many of you do now.

 

[Ozzy619]

Bump out of respect

Just seen he is still one of the notable members here. @Big_paul I cant help to wonder from your previous post if he helped to build the Meso culture that we know today, as far as flaming sources go?

 

[biggerben69]

Bump out of respect

Just seen he is still one of the notable members here. @Big_paul I cant help to wonder from your previous post if he helped to build the Meso culture that we know today, as far as flaming sources go?

I was inside when karch passed. I didn't know him very well. I think he may not have agreed with the way I went about things in regards to the aggression and language I used when I was more involved and in attack mode. I say this because the few times he did post up here since 2012 or so he would refer to the "Old Days" at meso and made it clear that he wasn't pleased with the current state of affairs.
I had respect for the man. I remember wanting him to recognize me and recognize the reasons for my tactics. I don't remember a single time he engaged me? I put him on the spot once when there was a discussion about outlawmuscle and its owner. There was someone here from olm that was clearly doing damage control claiming the John R that was named in the Federal indictment along with Thorus wasn't the John R who owned olm. The board was referred to in the indictment as well several times.
I knew Big K was online and had posted in the thread but wasn't involved in the back and forth going on. Karch was caught off guard and I wasn't going to let him off the hook without an answer. He did what many of the Old Timers didn't want to do. He answered my questions directly and honestly. He said that the John named in the indictment was the John that owned olm. He went on to say that he believed that this was common knowledge and had been established as the truth many years ago. The argument was over the moment Big K pushed the "Post" button.
It wasn't often that I cared what people thought about me and the things I did here from 2012-2014 because I was focused and knew what my objective was. I was about the members and about meso. I was rude and obnoxious. I came across as borderline psychotic and felt pressure to perform and keep some sort of hold on things. I made some friends but made a lot more enemies here and around the Community.
I think I believed that if a guy like Karch, who was respected and looked upon as someone who cared about the Community, gave me his support or said something to me about keeping up the good fight that it would validate me. A few positive words to me from K and I would know that I was doing right. I had doubts at times. I was out of control at times but a pat on the back from K and I would know that I was still on the right side. That I was still one of the good guys. I wanted to be respected by the men I respected. I wanted to be the guy that wasn't worried about politics and making sure I did things the responsible way. I wanted to do things the men I respected wanted to do but couldn't because of the positions they were in.
Karch never said a thing to me. Never acknowledged me the way I wanted him to. That said more to me than if he had sat me down for a 1 on 1. It gave me pause and I reigned it in some. I started to question my motives. I felt my actions had been more self serving than helpful to members. Karch had an influence on me as much as anyone that I spoke to regularly back then. Thank you, K. Rest in peace.

 

[Big_paul]

Bump out of respect

Just seen he is still one of the notable members here. @Big_paul I cant help to wonder from your previous post if he helped to build the Meso culture that we know today, as far as flaming sources go?

Flame when you have to. What I appreciate is that when I first became a member he helped me find a few reliable sources, and let me know who the scammers were. The guy had enemies here and on other boards. That's not hard to do.

When it comes to sources no matter which side you take half the members on the board are going to disagree with you.I have seen good ones and bad ones. There is no way to completely protect members, but I think that a source should be given an opportunity to prove himself. Half the guys on this board disagree me.

 

[Ozzy619]

I was inside when karch passed. I didn't know him very well. I think he may not have agreed with the way I went about things in regards to the aggression and language I used when I was more involved and in attack mode. I say this because the few times he did post up here since 2012 or so he would refer to the "Old Days" at meso and made it clear that he wasn't pleased with the current state of affairs.
I had respect for the man. I remember wanting him to recognize me and recognize the reasons for my tactics. I don't remember a single time he engaged me? I put him on the spot once when there was a discussion about outlawmuscle and its owner. There was someone here from olm that was clearly doing damage control claiming the John R that was named in the Federal indictment along with Thorus wasn't the John R who owned olm. The board was referred to in the indictment as well several times.
I knew Big K was online and had posted in the thread but wasn't involved in the back and forth going on. Karch was caught off guard and I wasn't going to let him off the hook without an answer. He did what many of the Old Timers didn't want to do. He answered my questions directly and honestly. He said that the John named in the indictment was the John that owned olm. He went on to say that he believed that this was common knowledge and had been established as the truth many years ago. The argument was over the moment Big K pushed the "Post" button.
It wasn't often that I cared what people thought about me and the things I did here from 2012-2014 because I was focused and knew what my objective was. I was about the members and about meso. I was rude and obnoxious. I came across as borderline psychotic and felt pressure to perform and keep some sort of hold on things. I made some friends but made a lot more enemies here and around the Community.
I think I believed that if a guy like Karch, who was respected and looked upon as someone who cared about the Community, gave me his support or said something to me about keeping up the good fight that it would validate me. A few positive words to me from K and I would know that I was doing right. I had doubts at times. I was out of control at times but a pat on the back from K and I would know that I was still on the right side. That I was still one of the good guys. I wanted to be respected by the men I respected. I wanted to be the guy that wasn't worried about politics and making sure I did things the responsible way. I wanted to do things the men I respected wanted to do but couldn't because of the positions they were in.
Karch never said a thing to me. Never acknowledged me the way I wanted him to. That said more to me than if he had sat me down for a 1 on 1. It gave me pause and I reigned it in some. I started to question my motives. I felt my actions had been more self serving than helpful to members. Karch had an influence on me as much as anyone that I spoke to regularly back then. Thank you, K. Rest in peace.

Thank you for the post. Gave great insight on him. I have come across a few of his posts but this gave me a better understanding.