Bill Roberts: Help on 2 on 4 off cycle

[cycleme]

I just read all 10 pages and would like to read/post some of the stuff RealGains has also posted on CuttingEdgeMuscle. Anybody know what's going on with their registration? They have a random question that needs to be answered yet no way of finding the answer. RG, little help here?

 

[nickels]

Now Ive noticed in these short cycles there has been no mention of running high dose of Primo instead of mast, is it not a viable candidate?
thanks

I'm pretty sure there aren't any short-ester versions of primo.
(Other than maybe oral primo, which apparently doesn't do a whole lot).

 

[Under]

If using test p for this what sort of dose would you run, if the usual ish type of dose would be 500mgs per week for a longer course, in comparison.
Cheers

 

[youngBuilder]

If using test p for this what sort of dose would you run, if the usual ish type of dose would be 500mgs per week for a longer course, in comparison.
Cheers

I ran the 2-on 4-off cycle a couple times and loved it.

I always ran 150cc of Test-Prop every other day and 50mg of winny.

I even stopped the test-prop halfway through second week and continued the winny - I noticed a superfast recovery time and I kept all my gains. I did this for gaining lots of strength and staying lean vs. the traditional bulking/cutting phases and I really liked it. Two of these short cycles gave me 5-6 pounds of solid mass and never lost it. Power lifts went through the roof. Amazing what you can get in only 2 weeks.

 

[apollo_mas]

so, if i got this right, on a 2on/4off cycle with dbol and tren (50mg/100mg) you recomend letrazol .5mg for the 'on' weeks and clomid for the 2-3 'off' weeks?

 

[apollo_mas]

can anyone help me please with this? and should i run also a test booster like activate xtreme in the 2 weeks of pct with clomid? thank you

 

[leoclaw79]

Sounds good to me. I would say .5 mg letro per day but since the half life is 5 days you could dose it at 1 mg EOD. Or slightly less depending on sensitivity to estrogen. You plan sounds good. Best of luck to you. I'm sure the test booster won't hurt. Not sure what it'll do but it can't hurt.

 

[apollo_mas]

I will share my experience with my first 2on 4off cycle and I would apreciate some advice, this being my first cycle with short esthers. My plan was:

day 1-10 75mg tren with frontload 150mg
day 1-10 75mg prop with frontload 150mg
day 1-14 50mg dbol 2-3 hours before training
day 1-10 1mg letro + day 11-12 .5mg letro + 2 days before cycle 1mg
day 15-28 50mg clomid with frontload 300mg
2 weeks off

After 3 days when the AAS kicked in I got the flu symptoms and lowered the tren and prop to 50mg ED and it was ok for a few days. After 5 more days I realy got bad sides(don't know if from test or tren) - flu symptoms, fever, insomnia, nightsweats so I had to use ibuprofen, aspirin and paracetamol.
And I also got very big pip after quads injections. This never hapened before with test e and tren e and other AAS.

I'm on day 13 and I gained 3kg it's about 5lb, not much water retention because of the sweating. On day 15 and 29 I will have blood tests to compare with the one before cycle. If everything is ok I will continue with a stack of tren/prop/mast 50/50/50 mg/ml for 10 days + 0.5 or 1mg(depending on the bloodwork) letro ED for 12 days + dbol for 14days.

I would realy like some opinions and advice from the experimented users.
Thank you

 

[apollo_mas]

I forgot to mension that my libido was gone from the first days

 

[hmart]

Why take so much letro? Letro is too strong......

I keep seeing an overdosing of AI in like 60-70% of cycles posted in this forum, could others agree on that?

Why not have the AI on hand IN CASE something goes wrong?

 

[apollo_mas]

because i had 2 aas that aromatize

 

[roastdawg]

Resurrecting an old thread here... Planning on doing 2 on 4 off dbol only cycles. Did one cycle previously about ten years ago and made great gains early with the dbol. Want to try the 2/4 in order to minimize sides and play it safe. Any obvious flaws in this plan?

 

[brutus79]

Resurrecting an old thread here... Planning on doing 2 on 4 off dbol only cycles. Did one cycle previously about ten years ago and made great gains early with the dbol. Want to try the 2/4 in order to minimize sides and play it safe. Any obvious flaws in this plan?

The biggest flaw would be actually doing it... unless you are trying to avoid drug testing there is no point- what you put your body through will be not worth the minimal returns. What is your issue with needles? What are your stats, lifting history, totals, goals, etc?

 

[ironwill1951]

i would not do a 2 on 4 off i cant see it , maybe a short 6 week cycle. i have done lots of short esters and they are just starting to work after 2 weeks, quitting after 2 weeks would be like stopping sex when your about to get off, and i dont do that either....

 

[roastdawg]

The biggest flaw would be actually doing it... unless you are trying to avoid drug testing there is no point- what you put your body through will be not worth the minimal returns. What is your issue with needles? What are your stats, lifting history, totals, goals, etc?

No issue with needles... Want to avoid long cycles due to sides. Realgains post earlier in this thread has me believing in these two on four off cycles. Was thinking dbol alone would be enough as I noticed gains almost immediately from the dbol in my lone previous cycle done about ten years ago.

 

[roastdawg]

Goals are to get closer to genetic potential quicker with low risk of sides.

 

[roastdawg]

After reading more I think adding in 50mg/day of test susp would be best.

 

[roastdawg]

So I guess my question is, for those that believe in the 2 on 4 off, does 50mg/day of test susp and 50mg/day of dbol for 14 days followed by clomid for 3 weeks seem like a solid cycle considering my goals of reaching genetic potential quicker without risking my health? Is the dbol too gnarly on the liver or is the 2 weeks not enough on time to sweat it? Your feedback is greatly appreciated, thanks!