Everything about winny sounds awful.
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Everything about winny sounds awful.
TANGO.ECHO.KILO
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Im currently runnin Bristish Dragon 50mg Anadrol tablets, results are on par with some of my better experiences with other labels. Possibly a nominee for next round of testing?
They are little green squares and pressed well, I suspect they would be fairly easy for a user to cut down because of the shape and consistency.
@CensoredBoardsSuck any literature citing thinning or loss of hair in female users?
I'm with @weighted chinup Drol is one of my favorites, the only adverse effects I notice are spikes in blood pressure and some slight thinning of the hair on high doses but both return to normal a few weeks after discontinuing use and are manageable on cycle with proper precautions.
Im currently runnin Bristish Dragon 50mg Anadrol tablets, results are on par with some of my better experiences with other labels. Possibly a nominee for next round of testing?
They are little green squares and pressed well, I suspect they would be fairly easy for a user to cut down because of the shape and consistency.
@CensoredBoardsSuck any literature citing thinning or loss of hair in female users?
I'm with @weighted chinup Drol is one of my favorites, the only adverse effects I notice are spikes in blood pressure and some slight thinning of the hair on high doses but both return to normal a few weeks after discontinuing use and are manageable on cycle with proper precautions.
One of the reasons most women keep their hair, low levels of DHT, change that and and see what happens.
TANGO.ECHO.KILO
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So my understanding is DHT derivs are the preferred choice of compounds for the female athlete no? Anavar, Anadrol, Primo, and Winstrol are all DHT derivatives correct?
Would some of these compounds have different effects on hair than the next? I always thought it was misguided when I hear females say "run var and primo, they arent as hard on the hair"...at least in my personal experiences, all DHT derivatives give me the sides at relatively the same rate dose dependent of course. I also have suspected for some time the talk of winstrol being "hard on the joints" to be somewhat of a myth, I know it interacts with E2 somehow
. This lead me to believe that the "bad on joints" reputation winstrol has may actually just be effects of low E2? The symptoms sound eerily similar'thoughts?
or should I just take another pull off the ol crackpipe
So my understanding is DHT derivs are the preferred choice of compounds for the female athlete no? Anavar, Anadrol, Primo, and Winstrol are all DHT derivatives correct?
Would some of these compounds have different effects on hair than the next? I always thought it was misguided when I hear females say "run var and primo, they arent as hard on the hair"...at least in my personal experiences, all DHT derivatives give me the sides at relatively the same rate dose dependent of course. I also have suspected for some time the talk of winstrol being "hard on the joints" to be somewhat of a myth, I know it interacts with E2 somehow
thoughts?
or should I just take another pull off the ol crackpipe
I've been losing hair on 10 mgs of Anavar!!
It was only very noticiable after week 9 though.
I'm curious to see how my hair reacts to primo. I may have to just stick to shorter cycles.
So my understanding is DHT derivs are the preferred choice of compounds for the female athlete no? Anavar, Anadrol, Primo, and Winstrol are all DHT derivatives correct?
Would some of these compounds have different effects on hair than the next? I always thought it was misguided when I hear females say "run var and primo, they arent as hard on the hair"...at least in my personal experiences, all DHT derivatives give me the sides at relatively the same rate dose dependent of course. I also have suspected for some time the talk of winstrol being "hard on the joints" to be somewhat of a myth, I know it interacts with E2 somehow
thoughts?
or should I just take another pull off the ol crackpipe
I'm not sure how much science there is behind winny being tough on the joints. You're 28, wait until you are 35 or over and run winny and maintain E2 at whatever levels you want and tell me how your elbows feel after benching 350 to 400 for multiple reps or how your knees feel after a heavy squatting sessions.
Lots of bros can tell you it ain't fun. You very rarely see an older powerlifter touching winny for this reason.
Dr. Jim has also said in the past that there is no scientific evidence that nandrolone should make your joints feel any better than many other injectable AAS including Test. I'm absolutely sure he is correct but I have spoken to hundreds of guys over the years who have joint issues due to years of heavy lifting and I don't remember any saying test by itself made their joints feel better but a slew of them added either deca or npp to every cycle either partially or entirely to help with joint pain.
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Short cycles make a lot of sense in minimizing sides.
TANGO.ECHO.KILO
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No I believe you Sir,
Im not downplaying your symptoms in any way. I'm perhaps wondering if they could possible be misdiagnosed? So say for instance you run 500mg test a week, and any other oral, and Adex at say .5mg 2x weekly. Now you run the same test dose, same AI dose, but winny as your oral at 50mg ED. Your joints hurt right? Logic would dictate that it must be the winstrol as it's the variable.
BUT what if you were able to run your AI dose slightly lower than the previous cycle because of winstrol's interaction with estrogen and you dont feel the dry achy joint symptoms that most contribute to Winstrol use? Then is it really the winstrol?
It's just something Ive been kicking around for awhile Id like to discuss it further but I dont think this is the right place. I look forward to hear more about your extended history with the compound though MP as its one of my favorites as well. If you havent caught on, I love DHT derivatives
Edit: in fact I too have suffered from razorblades in my elbows at "the hands of winny" which is what sparked this whole notion. Im not ready to turn my back on winstrol yet so Im looking into the most effective ways to utilize it. Any and all input is graciously welcomed!
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So my understanding is DHT derivs are the preferred choice of compounds for the female athlete no? Anavar, Anadrol, Primo, and Winstrol are all DHT derivatives correct?
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Would some of these compounds have different effects on hair than the next?
3) I always thought it was misguided when I hear females say "run var and primo, they arent as hard on the hair"...at least in my personal experiences, all DHT derivatives give me the sides at relatively the same rate dose dependent of course.
4) I also have suspected for some time the talk of winstrol being "hard on the joints" to be somewhat of a myth, I know it interacts with E2 somehow
thoughts?
or should I just take another pull off the ol crackpipe
First and foremost what is the PRIMARY difference bt a gals and guys cycle...... THE DOSAGE, and never forget it bc the frequency of adverse effects are directly proportional to the DOSAGE! It's sort of prophetic how most guys are willing to put up with untold number of sides from AAS but gals ..... It's like F that shit.
1) yes DHT derivatives have a lower A:A ratio so the virilizing effects are also reduced
2) yea it's likely but good luck locating any evidence to that effect
3) But your a GUY and not a GAL right?
4) Estrogen accounts for much of the side effects of Winny
OH BUT DID I MENTION HOW THE DOSAGE can change everything and darn what about those OTHER AAS compounds Guys STACK!
The devil is in the details!!!
No I believe you Sir,
Im not downplaying your symptoms in any way. I'm perhaps wondering if they could possible be misdiagnosed? So say for instance you run 500mg test a week, and any other oral, and Adex at say .5mg 2x weekly. Now you run the same test dose, same AI dose, but winny as your oral at 50mg ED. Your joints hurt right? Logic would dictate that it must be the winstrol as it's the variable.
BUT what if you were able to run your AI dose slightly lower than the previous cycle because of winstrol's interaction with estrogen and you dont feel the dry achy joint symptoms that most contribute to Winstrol use? Then is it really the winstrol?
It's just something Ive been kicking around for awhile Id like to discuss it further but I dont think this is the right place. I look forward to hear more about your extended history with the compound though MP as its one of my favorites as well. If you havent caught on, I love DHT derivatives
Edit: in fact I too have suffered from razorblades in my elbows at "the hands of winny" which is what sparked this whole notion. Im not ready to turn my back on winstrol yet so Im looking into the most effective ways to utilize it. Any and all input is graciously welcomed!
You very well could be onto something
No I believe you Sir,
Im not downplaying your symptoms in any way. I'm perhaps wondering if they could possible be misdiagnosed? So say for instance you run 500mg test a week, and any other oral, and Adex at say .5mg 2x weekly. Now you run the same test dose, same AI dose, but winny as your oral at 50mg ED. Your joints hurt right? Logic would dictate that it must be the winstrol as it's the variable.
BUT what if you were able to run your AI dose slightly lower than the previous cycle because of winstrol's interaction with estrogen and you dont feel the dry achy joint symptoms that most contribute to Winstrol use? Then is it really the winstrol?
It's just something Ive been kicking around for awhile Id like to discuss it further but I dont think this is the right place. I look forward to hear more about your extended history with the compound though MP as its one of my favorites as well. If you havent caught on, I love DHT derivatives
Edit: in fact I too have suffered from razorblades in my elbows at "the hands of winny" which is what sparked this whole notion. Im not ready to turn my back on winstrol yet so Im looking into the most effective ways to utilize it. Any and all input is graciously welcomed!
You may be on to something with E2 and whinny. I don't do any AAS because they are illegal but if I had personal knowledge it would be about NPP helping joints rather than winny hurting them.
Thinking about it most of my second hand knowledge of winny being extremely painful on joints which came from a whole bunch of different sources was from a period when the only thing other than AAS being taken during or after a cycle was clomid.
It is hard for me to believe that all of these guys E2 was out of whack but it is a possibility because blood work was very rarely run at the time and information exchanges about AAS like this one simply weren't available.
I can send you a bottle of guaiacol for snacking, on the house, if you'd like
Good to know. Not being female, I never put much faith into the A/A rating scale. Never really seemed to actually effect my results.
Drinking any oral injectable of pharmacom it's madness. The taste would kill you probably
My woman will run Anadrol 25mg day for her next cycle.
Split 12.5 mg 2x a day.
Will Report back with results and side effect if she get anything (hope Not).
I hope she doesn't get to much water retention out of it. Will see if she likes it more then anavar.
Do you think 10 weeks 25mg drol is ok? Or should it be shorter?
I'm worries about liver toxicity
My woman will run Anadrol 25mg day for her next cycle.
Split 12.5 mg 2x a day.
Will Report back with results and side effect if she get anything (hope Not).
I hope she doesn't get to much water retention out of it. Will see if she likes it more then anavar.
Do you think 10 weeks 25mg drol is ok? Or should it be shorter?
I'm worries about liver toxicity
Shortening the cycle length is an excellent idea as it will likely give the hair follicles time to recover.
Yep that's right hair follicles have a cycle also, in which old hair is replaced with new hair and in those with MPB that cycle is cut short, in part bc of the effects of DHT.
All DHT AAS derivatives will adversely effect hair growth but on a comparative basis with DHT the differencese are likely dosage related, more than anything else.
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One of the most underrated for side effects and over-rated for benefits in my opinion. Only injuries I suffered on AAS were both while running Winstrol. A friend of mine never really did much research and always ran Winny; constant shoulder injuries for him. Not a good active lifestyle drug. I think Ben Johnson is partly responsible for its notoriety. Everybody thought they would pop it and run a 9.79 100m. The highest my friend ever ran it was 50mg and he never ran an anti-estrogen. He was/is knowledgable in most other areas, but wanted a little extra kick before summer every year and never suffered from gyno. He looked good; looked like a shredded hockey player with low body fat and no water.
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When you say you're losing hair, do you mean you're seeing more hair in the shower drain or have you actually noticed thinning?
In the shower, when I brush it and I'm always finding hair on my clothes, floors, car... Definately more than usual. I don't think my hair has ever shed this much.
It's not by the handful but a few at a time. Little by little it adds up though.
It started thinning as well along the hairline, not noticeably crazy, but gradually enough for me to tell.
I think I'm gonna be sticking to shorter cycles from now on. 10 weeks max.
This hair situation didn't start until about week 9.
It's not surprising that you didn't notice it until the end of your cycle. As Jim already touched on, the effect of AAS on susceptible hair follicles will result in an early transition from the anagen phase or growing phase (~85 percent of hair is in the anagen phase at any given time) to the catagen phase.
The catagen phase will last approximately 2 weeks, and then the follicle will enter the telogen phase or dormant phase where the hairs will begin to fall out over the next 6 to 8 weeks.
The follicle will remain in the telogen phase for 2 to 3 months, and then begin a new anagen phase and the cycle repeats all over again.
Normally you'll shed about 100 hairs every day. That's normal loss. If you notice that number increase significantly - as you did, then you'll know the AAS is most likely affecting your hair.
You should start to notice your hair coming back in 3 to 4 months when the affected follicles enter the anagen phase again, hopefully sooner.
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Never learned any of this in any Bio, Phys, or Kinesiology class. Good stuff.It's not surprising that you didn't notice it until the end of your cycle. As Jim already touched on, the effect of AAS on susceptible hair follicles will result in an early transition from the anagen phase or growing phase (~85 percent of hair is in the anagen phase at any given time) to the catagen phase.
The catagen phase will last approximately 2 weeks, and then the follicle will enter the telogen phase or dormant phase where the hairs will begin to fall out over the next 6 to 8 weeks.
The follicle will remain in the telogen phase for 2 to 3 months, and then begin a new anagen phase and the cycle repeats all over again.
Normally you'll shed about 100 hairs every day. That's normal loss. If you notice that number increase significantly - as you did, then you'll know the AAS is most likely affecting your hair.
You should start to notice your hair coming back in 3 to 4 months when the affected follicles enter the anagen phase again, hopefully sooner.
