And I'm guessing it would be just as rough on a woman's joints as it is on a man's. I would agree winny-v is not a wise choice for females.
Everything about winny sounds awful.
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And I'm guessing it would be just as rough on a woman's joints as it is on a man's. I would agree winny-v is not a wise choice for females.
True, but how gross to swallow guaiacol?! I believe Pcom uses guaiacol or EO, or both...?
any literature citing thinning or loss of hair in female users?
So my understanding is DHT derivs are the preferred choice of compounds for the female athlete no? Anavar, Anadrol, Primo, and Winstrol are all DHT derivatives correct?One of the reasons most women keep their hair, low levels of DHT, change that and and see what happens.
So my understanding is DHT derivs are the preferred choice of compounds for the female athlete no? Anavar, Anadrol, Primo, and Winstrol are all DHT derivatives correct?
Would some of these compounds have different effects on hair than the next? I always thought it was misguided when I hear females say "run var and primo, they arent as hard on the hair"...at least in my personal experiences, all DHT derivatives give me the sides at relatively the same rate dose dependent of course. I also have suspected for some time the talk of winstrol being "hard on the joints" to be somewhat of a myth, I know it interacts with E2 somehow . This lead me to believe that the "bad on joints" reputation winstrol has may actually just be effects of low E2? The symptoms sound eerily similar'
thoughts?
or should I just take another pull off the ol crackpipe
So my understanding is DHT derivs are the preferred choice of compounds for the female athlete no? Anavar, Anadrol, Primo, and Winstrol are all DHT derivatives correct?
Would some of these compounds have different effects on hair than the next? I always thought it was misguided when I hear females say "run var and primo, they arent as hard on the hair"...at least in my personal experiences, all DHT derivatives give me the sides at relatively the same rate dose dependent of course. I also have suspected for some time the talk of winstrol being "hard on the joints" to be somewhat of a myth, I know it interacts with E2 somehow . This lead me to believe that the "bad on joints" reputation winstrol has may actually just be effects of low E2? The symptoms sound eerily similar'
thoughts?
or should I just take another pull off the ol crackpipe
I've been losing hair on 10 mgs of Anavar!!
It was only very noticiable after week 9 though.
I'm curious to see how my hair reacts to primo. I may have to just stick to shorter cycles.
No I believe you Sir,I'm not sure how much science there is behind winny being tough on the joints. You're 28, wait until you are 35 or over and run winny and maintain E2 at whatever levels you want and tell me how your elbows feel after benching 350 to 400 for multiple reps or how your knees feel after a heavy squatting sessions.
Lots of bros can tell you it ain't fun. You very rarely see an older powerlifter touching winny for this reason.
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So my understanding is DHT derivs are the preferred choice of compounds for the female athlete no? Anavar, Anadrol, Primo, and Winstrol are all DHT derivatives correct?
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Would some of these compounds have different effects on hair than the next?
3) I always thought it was misguided when I hear females say "run var and primo, they arent as hard on the hair"...at least in my personal experiences, all DHT derivatives give me the sides at relatively the same rate dose dependent of course.
4) I also have suspected for some time the talk of winstrol being "hard on the joints" to be somewhat of a myth, I know it interacts with E2 somehow . This lead me to believe that the "bad on joints" reputation winstrol has may actually just be effects of low E2? The symptoms sound eerily similar'
thoughts?
or should I just take another pull off the ol crackpipe
No I believe you Sir,
Im not downplaying your symptoms in any way. I'm perhaps wondering if they could possible be misdiagnosed? So say for instance you run 500mg test a week, and any other oral, and Adex at say .5mg 2x weekly. Now you run the same test dose, same AI dose, but winny as your oral at 50mg ED. Your joints hurt right? Logic would dictate that it must be the winstrol as it's the variable.
BUT what if you were able to run your AI dose slightly lower than the previous cycle because of winstrol's interaction with estrogen and you dont feel the dry achy joint symptoms that most contribute to Winstrol use? Then is it really the winstrol?
It's just something Ive been kicking around for awhile Id like to discuss it further but I dont think this is the right place. I look forward to hear more about your extended history with the compound though MP as its one of my favorites as well. If you havent caught on, I love DHT derivatives
Edit: in fact I too have suffered from razorblades in my elbows at "the hands of winny" which is what sparked this whole notion. Im not ready to turn my back on winstrol yet so Im looking into the most effective ways to utilize it. Any and all input is graciously welcomed!
No I believe you Sir,
Im not downplaying your symptoms in any way. I'm perhaps wondering if they could possible be misdiagnosed? So say for instance you run 500mg test a week, and any other oral, and Adex at say .5mg 2x weekly. Now you run the same test dose, same AI dose, but winny as your oral at 50mg ED. Your joints hurt right? Logic would dictate that it must be the winstrol as it's the variable.
BUT what if you were able to run your AI dose slightly lower than the previous cycle because of winstrol's interaction with estrogen and you dont feel the dry achy joint symptoms that most contribute to Winstrol use? Then is it really the winstrol?
It's just something Ive been kicking around for awhile Id like to discuss it further but I dont think this is the right place. I look forward to hear more about your extended history with the compound though MP as its one of my favorites as well. If you havent caught on, I love DHT derivatives
Edit: in fact I too have suffered from razorblades in my elbows at "the hands of winny" which is what sparked this whole notion. Im not ready to turn my back on winstrol yet so Im looking into the most effective ways to utilize it. Any and all input is graciously welcomed!
I can send you a bottle of guaiacol for snacking, on the house, if you'd likeI don't know. I remember Reforvit-B. It tasted like muscle growth. It was awesome. I can't imagine this being much different.
Good to know. Not being female, I never put much faith into the A/A rating scale. Never really seemed to actually effect my results.That anabolic/androgenic scale is based on outdated data so I wouldn't put much stock in it.
Winstrol is actually pretty virilizing and might be responsible for creating more female baritones than any other AAS. I wouldn't recommend it to females.
I've been losing hair on 10 mgs of Anavar!!
It was only very noticiable after week 9 though.
I'm curious to see how my hair reacts to primo. I may have to just stick to shorter cycles.
One of the most underrated for side effects and over-rated for benefits in my opinion. Only injuries I suffered on AAS were both while running Winstrol. A friend of mine never really did much research and always ran Winny; constant shoulder injuries for him. Not a good active lifestyle drug. I think Ben Johnson is partly responsible for its notoriety. Everybody thought they would pop it and run a 9.79 100m. The highest my friend ever ran it was 50mg and he never ran an anti-estrogen. He was/is knowledgable in most other areas, but wanted a little extra kick before summer every year and never suffered from gyno. He looked good; looked like a shredded hockey player with low body fat and no water.Everything about winny sounds awful.
I've been losing hair on 10 mgs of Anavar!!
It was only very noticiable after week 9 though.
I'm curious to see how my hair reacts to primo. I may have to just stick to shorter cycles.
When you say you're losing hair, do you mean you're seeing more hair in the shower drain or have you actually noticed thinning?
I think I'm gonna be sticking to shorter cycles from now on. 10 weeks max.
This hair situation didn't start until about week 9.
Never learned any of this in any Bio, Phys, or Kinesiology class. Good stuff.It's not surprising that you didn't notice it until the end of your cycle. As Jim already touched on, the effect of AAS on susceptible hair follicles will result in an early transition from the anagen phase or growing phase (~85 percent of hair is in the anagen phase at any given time) to the catagen phase.
The catagen phase will last approximately 2 weeks, and then the follicle will enter the telogen phase or dormant phase where the hairs will begin to fall out over the next 6 to 8 weeks.
The follicle will remain in the telogen phase for 2 to 3 months, and then begin a new anagen phase and the cycle repeats all over again.
Normally you'll shed about 100 hairs every day. That's normal loss. If you notice that number increase significantly - as you did, then you'll know the AAS is most likely affecting your hair.
You should start to notice your hair coming back in 3 to 4 months when the affected follicles enter the anagen phase again, hopefully sooner.