BioLogic Pharmaceuticals

[Stretch]

Okay.

So I had 2 customers who were kind enough to bring a concern to my attention.

Our backorders are filled and our site is open. But I won't do business as someone who tries to keep complaints, or concerns, or questions in hiding.

1-- One customer tested our Mast E and it came up as Deca...or perhaps it was Deca that came up as Mast E...I don't really understand what he was saying. No one would purposely, substitute one of these compounds for another, so I can't say for sure how such a thing could happen. But I would like anyone else who has experienced questionable results with either of these products to contact me...publicly or privately..at your discretion.

2-- Another customer said to me that he posted his blood numbers not realizing that they were even low. He said, he has since been bombarded with questions about what lab sold him the gear because he was obviously fucked. He said he wasn't answering their questions until he talked to me. This customer and I have a long PM history. We talk frequently.

I asked him the following 4 questions:

What were your levels?
What was your dose?
How long had you been at that dose?
How many days, prior to the test, was your most recent injection?
I should have added this fifth question: What product were you using?

I can't say for sure if this is actually a real problem or not until some of these questions are answered. But I am concerned by these 2 issues, and I don't want to reopen under some cloud of suspicion.

Is there anyone who is having questionable results on our test? Anyone else have poor bloodwork on any of our test products?

 

[flenser]

I was the one who PM'd Stretch about BIO Mast e. This was quite a while ago considering how much has happened recently. What I told him was the mast e results looked a lot like deca, and I didn't want to post those results without knowing what a mast e test would look like. At the time I was expecting a lot of people to start posting tests, so I was giving him a heads up about it.

As I told Stretch, I pinned BIO's mast e for several weeks, and later added BIO's deca. I didn't get joint relief until I added the deca. In my mind that makes them different substances.

 

[Stretch]

Okay.

So I had 2 customers who were kind enough to bring a concern to my attention.

Our backorders are filled and our site is open. But I won't do business as someone who tries to keep complaints, or concerns, or questions in hiding.

1-- One customer tested our Mast E and it came up as Deca...or perhaps it was Deca that came up as Mast E...I don't really understand what he was saying. No one would purposely, substitute one of these compounds for another, so I can't say for sure how such a thing could happen. But I would like anyone else who has experienced questionable results with either of these products to contact me...publicly or privately..at your discretion.

2-- Another customer said to me that he posted his blood numbers not realizing that they were even low. He said, he has since been bombarded with questions about what lab sold him the gear because he was obviously fucked. He said he wasn't answering their questions until he talked to me. This customer and I have a long PM history. We talk frequently.

I asked him the following 4 questions:

What were your levels?
What was your dose?
How long had you been at that dose?
How many days, prior to the test, was your most recent injection?
I should have added this fifth question: What product were you using?

I can't say for sure if this is actually a real problem or not until some of these questions are answered. But I am concerned by these 2 issues, and I don't want to reopen under some cloud of suspicion.

Is there anyone who is having questionable results on our test? Anyone else have poor bloodwork on any of our test products?

So, it was Mast E.

LABMAX doesn't offer a test for Mast E. But the finished product "looked" like the deca test. Another lab's Mast E was also tested, and looked much different when compared to the Bio Mast E.

The only factual conclusion that can be drawn is that the Bio Mast E is different than the other lab's Mast E. One may be fake, or perhaps the solvents/carriers can change the appearance.

At any rate, the bottom line is that a 3rd party (labmax) is going to be running Mass Spec on our Mast E, and we didn't send the sample, so that will be the holy grail of testing right there.

As of this moment, the above concern is really a false alarm. I was mistaken when I said that the Mast E tested as Deca....there is no test for Mast E available from labmax at this point.

 

[drockspang1]

What batch # is on your Bio Mast E, flenser?

 

[Stretch]

I was the one who PM'd Stretch about BIO Mast e. This was quite a while ago considering how much has happened recently. What I told him was the mast e results looked a lot like deca, and I didn't want to post those results without knowing what a mast e test would look like. At the time I was expecting a lot of people to start posting tests, so I was giving him a heads up about it.

As I told Stretch, I pinned BIO's mast e for several weeks, and later added BIO's deca. I didn't get joint relief until I added the deca. In my mind that makes them different substances.

What happened recently?

Fill me in here guys..what'd I miss?

 

[flenser]

What happened recently?

Fill me in here guys..what'd I miss?

Check out the labmax test results thread.

 

[Candyskull]

I was the one who PM'd Stretch about BIO Mast e. This was quite a while ago considering how much has happened recently. What I told him was the mast e results looked a lot like deca, and I didn't want to post those results without knowing what a mast e test would look like. At the time I was expecting a lot of people to start posting tests, so I was giving him a heads up about it.

As I told Stretch, I pinned BIO's mast e for several weeks, and later added BIO's deca. I didn't get joint relief until I added the deca. In my mind that makes them different substances.

Your hush hush, wink wink, nod nod use of no name on the mast e lab, and someone else being sure they had the same stuff was kind of a tip off to who's it was, and why you wanted to send it to labmax

I mentioned early on that I had concerns over the the tests ability to differentiate compounds because they are so closely related. I would imagine the esterification of the compound would change the test result, so I see no reason to panic especially when labmax said the test isn't designed for mast e.

All the same... Good to keep everyone on their toes. Even Stretch

 

[flenser]

What batch # is on your Bio Mast E, flenser?

lot # 05US8612

 

[drockspang1]

Same as mine. Doesn't mean a whole lot, I guess? As any UGL could use the same lot # over & over. But, we'll find out before too long what's up?

Stretch: what's up brother? Glad to see you back. I have a honest question for you. Read nothing into this, as its just that....... A question. I'm not implying anything here, as you know you and I are cool. But.....
Do you have any reason to doubt your Mast?

 

[Stretch]

Same as mine. Doesn't mean a whole lot, I guess? As any UGL could use the same lot # over & over. But, we'll find out before too long what's up?

Stretch: what's up brother? Glad to see you back. I have a honest question for you. Read nothing into this, as its just that....... A question. I'm not implying anything here, as you know you and I are cool. But.....
Do you have any reason to doubt your Mast?

I haven't ever had ONE complaint.

I've used the PROP and I know it's legit. I've never ran OUR Mast E before, but as I said, I've never had ONE complaint.

You ran it. I'd be more interested to hear whether YOU have any reason to doubt our Mast.

 

[drockspang1]

No, no reason. But I'm no authority. And you surely would've heard something by now, depending on how many guys are running it. I posted this in another thread somewhere? I should've waited to use the Mast. I'm not lean enough, and I'm ending my cycle in 2 weeks. I actually stopped pinning it this past weekend, because I felt I was just wasting it. Anyway, as I'm sure you've read, or maybe not, but I'm sending what I have left to labmax, so they can add it their list of compounds. I'm told that they will perform a GC/MS on the sample first, to test it's legitimacy. So we'll know for sure then. Sorry if my post implied anything shady going on on your part. Was not my intention. Was just curious.

 

[Zaphod]

I had my blood test today. Been running the same batch of Bio test e @ 600mg. Should have the results tomorrow

 

[fabs21]

i thought u were running tren e?

 

[Stretch]

No, no reason. But I'm no authority. And you surely would've heard something by now, depending on how many guys are running it. I posted this in another thread somewhere? I should've waited to use the Mast. I'm not lean enough, and I'm ending my cycle in 2 weeks. I actually stopped pinning it this past weekend, because I felt I was just wasting it. Anyway, as I'm sure you've read, or maybe not, but I'm sending what I have left to labmax, so they can add it their list of compounds. I'm told that they will perform a GC/MS on the sample first, to test it's legitimacy. So we'll know for sure then. Sorry if my post implied anything shady going on on your part. Was not my intention. Was just curious.

Brother, I don't know if people think it's an act or what, but I don't think I've ever given the impression that I want to shy away from concerns.

I read no negative implication in your post.

Obviously this topic is one that keeps me up at night. Will my supplier fuck me one day? Has he already fucked me? Did the shipper who stole my shit, mislabel and send out bullshit? These are questions I ask myself 100 times/day, everyday, regardless of any of this drama shit.

I would bet $1,000 that the Mast E we sell is legitimate. But to completely open up, what's killing me right now is whether the shipper, who just took off, was also altering the products towards the end. It just seems weird that the first 2 concerns we have on potency come within weeks of him taking off. I'm really just praying that's not the case......the whole Flenser Mast E/Deca thing is also concerning...It sucks to have to wait, but that's all I can do at this point. Time will tell, we will see if we get more concerns...and eventually the LabMax results.

Smart customers, IMO, would stay away from questionable products until these LabMax tests come back. That's the best advice I can give you.


It's a constant stress in this business man. You NEVER really know for sure. Unless you're Mass Spec'ing everything. I've done the best I can to be honest and open about everything, but that won't stop the haters, if/when I get a bad batch of powder.

All I can do is continue to stay out in front of any concerns, and never try to hide any concerns of my customers. Both of which I've done to the best of my ability.

 

[DieYoungStrong]

I've been watching all the source drama, not just this thread, mostly from the sidelines.

I will say I ran bios mast e at 400mg week as part of a all bio stack.

I hardened up good and had serious diamond cutting boners. My wife was bow legged.

It was either mast or laced Viagra.

Now I'm on week 3 if PCT and just want to go to bed. Merry Xmas to me.

 

[drockspang1]

Stretch: I feel ya man! That would suck to be constantly wondering if your shit is what it's supposed to be. I'm sure just like everything in this game, raw suppliers go bad just as quick, with little no warning. You're by far, IMO, the most trusted & respected source on this board. I'm sure you've got plenty of more experienced bros the I, running your Mast. Hopefully your shipper didn't put the screws to you, other the what you know about, before dipping on you? Great post above btw...

 

[Raider72]

For the record, Stretch has answered me & as normal no BS just straight up great customer service & concern with any issue I may or may not have. I am fully confident he will help look at all the possibilities whether it is on his end or not.

 

[Stretch]

For the record, Stretch has answered me & as normal no BS just straight up great customer service & concern with any issue I may or may not have. I am fully confident he will help look at all the possibilities whether it is on his end or not.

Yeah.

There is no excusing, or glossing over the issue.

For those who didn't see his other postings Raider72 scored a 1075ng/dl after 5 weeks @ 500mg/week. Test E.

If we doubled his numbers, I would call them on the low end of acceptable. I would love to figure out how it's possible for one person to have this issue.

I am going to do some investigating as to when Raider received his gear, pin down who shipped it and when, in an effort to get to the bottom of this.

Raider will be given, basically, whatever he asks for. I cant express the embarrassment involved in causing someone to waste 8 weeks pinning crap gear. It's never happened before, I don't know how it happened with him; but regardless of who/what/when/where/why/how....the bottom line is I am responsible for it.

Once I am able to get myself and the board some answers about this situation, I will work on making Raider a happy customer.

I would ask anyone else who has concerns after running our gear to contact me. Via this thread or PM.

 

[Raider72]

Yeah.

There is no excusing, or glossing over the issue.

For those who didn't see his other postings Raider72 scored a 1075ng/dl after 5 weeks @ 500mg/week. Test E.

If we doubled his numbers, I would call them on the low end of acceptable. I would love to figure out how it's possible for one person to have this issue.

I am going to do some investigating as to when Raider received his gear, pin down who shipped it and when, in an effort to get to the bottom of this.

Raider will be given, basically, whatever he asks for. I cant express the embarrassment involved in causing someone to waste 8 weeks pinning crap gear. It's never happened before, I don't know how it happened with him; but regardless of who/what/when/where/why/how....the bottom line is I am responsible for it.

Once I am able to get myself and the board some answers about this situation, I will work on making Raider a happy customer.

I would ask anyone else who has concerns after running our gear to contact me. Via this thread or PM.

Stretch has already offered to take care of the situation!! I want to again state I am not accusing Bio to be the issue & want to just figure out why along with Stretch. Stretch has been legit from the beginning of when I first came to meso well before I was a customer being one of the first to help offer advice & answer questions..

 

[biggerben69]

I guess I missed this part about how labmax is getting away with doing this. They are in the states? Guys are actually sending in samples of gear through the USPS? The last lab that was doing this were raided by the DEA and the testing was stopped.
I apologize if this was addressed already someplace? If someone could tell me where I might find the answers, please?