Blood Pressure

malfeasance

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Blood pressure is an issue for many with steroids. Blood pressure is also an issue with age. A guy in his 20s might run a heavy cycle with 120/70. Thirty years later that same cycle might drive him to 165/95.

Even young, blood pressure can do damage, e.g., Bostin Lloyd is now on dialysis, and what is he, 30? His blood pressure was elevated for a long time. Regardless of your age, check your blood pressure on cycle and control it. Anything over 130/80 harms kidney function. You don't want to be harming it at an early age. Remember, kidney function will decline with age, anyway. You are not special. Yours will, too. You do not want to hasten this process earlier in life with uncontrolled blood pressure.

Things I have found that work and do not work. First, I am in my 50s. My blood pressure has given me trouble and seems to get harder to control as I get older.

Things that did not work for me:

Carditone monotherapy
Cialis as monotherapy

Things that did work for me:

Prescription meds (lisinopril, losartan, and telmisartan all showed improvements).
Controlling estrogen.
Cutting fat

Things that work but are intolerable:

Lisinopril with HCTZ

The last one combines a diuretic with a blood pressure medication. Combining the two works better at reducing blood pressure. The problem was that it induces horrible cramping even at small doses (12.5 mg). It only takes one or two days for this effect to kick in. I tried taking in more salt, potassium, magnesium, etc., but nothing prevented the cramping. It negatively affected my ability to work out.

My blood pressure recently crept up to 160/92 during a stressful time in my life when my blood pressure medication also ran out. I was scrambling around trying to find leftover old meds to control it until the new stuff arrived. It was floating around anywhere from 130/80 to 154/92.

Then two things happened. My telmisartan arrived, and my blood tests came back.

My blood tests showed my cholesterol had returned to normal, so I started test/deca and hgh. Growing again.

The blood test showed my estrogen way high (like 3x the upper end high) even on trt levels (and I think I need to decrease what I think is trt because my total test and free test were WAY high, as in my free test was more than 5x the high end of the normal range).

So I started taking the telmisartan (80mg daily). I also took for three days in a row 25 mg of aromasin, then stopped for two days.

My blood pressure this morning was 110/62, which is lower than it has been in maybe a decade, maybe two.

We'll see if it stays there, but I bet getting estrogen down was the difference.
 
I genetically run lower than normal BP. However, I’ve noticed a correlation(and most likely causation) between my BP being elevated, like 140/80 with my HCT, RBC being high. Typically my queue to go donate. Telmisartan at 40mg/day usually keeps me at about 115/75. Telmisartan apparently has some other renal protective properties aside from keeping BP under control, among other off label benefits. That and metformin have become staples for me.
 
Yes, my blood pressure spikes with hematocrit rises. I have even had to drain it myself in the past. There is a weird balancing act, though, with iron and hematocrit where you can end up looking anemic from MCH and MCHC low levels even when hematocrit is normal.
 
Yes, my blood pressure spikes with hematocrit rises. I have even had to drain it myself in the past. There is a weird balancing act, though, with iron and hematocrit where you can end up looking anemic from MCH and MCHC low levels even when hematocrit is normal.
I have to go look at my iron and ferritin, I typically don’t pay attention to them as they’re always in range and I only donate 3-4x/year. Also, on keto, eating a shit ton of red meat, so, I don’t concern myself with it. One thing that is of particular interest regarding increased HCT, at least for me, is ester. I ran cyp at 840mg for 12 weeks before I needed to dump. Conversely, I started cruising on prop at 140 and needed to dump in less than 12 weeks. Happened to me with sustanon as well, so, something about the short esters, obviously. But, still I cruise on prop(I like it and I have about 150ML of it).
 
Have you meatheads done a sleep study? I know we are prone to apnea and getting on a CPAP usually helps BP. Night and day difference for me as far as overall health, I never really had BP issues until recently so I never really tracked it consistently so I can’t give you numbers on before and after.
 
I have only bp and hct / rbc problems. Started this Saturday supplementing with 80 mg telmisartan since I've read it helps with both of those. Check victor black, he is an high advocate of Telmisartan
 
Ferenor, what has been the effect on your blood pressure of the maximum dose of telmisartan daily for the first four days?
 
What about olive leaf extract, grape seed extract, and a natural diuretic like dandelion root extract or celery seed extract? My Hemoglobin and Hematocrit are always high, but my Ferritin is low normal so I can't donate as often as I'd like too. Unless maybe I start iron supplementation, but I will leave that up to a Hematologist to figure out. Is it advisable to start an ARB at 30 years old? Would you consider an ARB over an ACE Inhibitor. Telmisartan seems to always be the choice on here.
 
What about olive leaf extract, grape seed extract, and a natural diuretic like dandelion root extract or celery seed extract? My Hemoglobin and Hematocrit are always high, but my Ferritin is low normal so I can't donate as often as I'd like too. Unless maybe I start iron supplementation, but I will leave that up to a Hematologist to figure out. Is it advisable to start an ARB at 30 years old? Would you consider an ARB over an ACE Inhibitor. Telmisartan seems to always be the choice on here.
I'm 26 and using an ARB lol tried already naringin for hematocrit but did nothing. I drink 5+ liters of liquid and didn't had a good results too. Will see what telmisartan will do about bp and hct ... I suppose I have high iron levels, need to test that on blood work
 
see what telmisartan will do about bp and hct ...
Telmisartan does nothing for HCT, which is just the proportion of red blood cells to the rest of your blood. The only way to get this number down is to get rid of red blood cells. You can do that by donating (esp. double reds) or by withdrawing whatever is driving up your HCT (like steroids) and waiting for red blood cells to die off naturally (about 4 months and a week).
 
Telmisartan does nothing for HCT, which is just the proportion of red blood cells to the rest of your blood. The only way to get this number down is to get rid of red blood cells. You can do that by donating (esp. double reds) or by withdrawing whatever is driving up your HCT (like steroids) and waiting for red blood cells to die off naturally (about 4 months and a week).
There was a study recently released where an ARB actually did lower HCT. I’ll see if I can dig it up. I’m assuming they’re extrapolating the results to other ARBs.
 

Much more comprehensive, however, I can’t find a date. This study is loaded with caveats.
 

Much more comprehensive, however, I can’t find a date. This study is loaded with caveats.
This study is the one that I found too this morning!
 
My blood pressure this morning was 110/62, which is lower than it has been in maybe a decade, maybe two.

We'll see if it stays there, but I bet getting estrogen down was the difference.
I stopped taking the AI for a few days. 150/84 today.

I do not yet know if this is related to estrogen or it could just be the cycle I started finally building up higher levels in the blood.

If I can't cycle and control blood pressure, then my competing days are over even though they barely got started. Competing in amateur competitions for a few years, even winning, is not worth having to go on dialysis later.

It sucks, though. I have been really impressed with my muscle growth since the contest, especially in my legs, which I have been concentrating upon in my training. I am making better progress than I have in a long time and probably have more lean weight on me than I have ever had in my life, with obviously the potential to have much more in the next few months.

I guess it just sucks for me that I never discovered hormones until middle age. Or maybe not. I would have been more reckless when I was younger and maybe ruined my health.
 
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