Bloodwork on 1,800 mg blast

[BabaJagga]

I wonder, does injectable have the same effect on motivation? I know it bypasses GI.

im not sire, i havent tried it. aaand im probably not gonna try it..also dont wanna pin IM stuff daily

but oral version was big miss for me.. in 3 weeks ive lost almost 4kg on it, i couldnt eat 2k kcals daily and felt like shit.

for comparison, var doesnt touch my appetite at all. 0 issues.
anadrol was bad. also, my piss was brown

 

[adrenalytic]

im not sire, i havent tried it. aaand im probably not gonna try it..also dont wanna pin IM stuff daily

but oral version was big miss for me.. in 3 weeks ive lost almost 4kg on it, i couldnt eat 2k kcals daily and felt like shit.

for comparison, var doesnt touch my appetite at all. 0 issues.
anadrol was bad. also, my piss was brown

I will try it and report back. For science of course.

 

[RockyP]

im not sire, i havent tried it. aaand im probably not gonna try it..also dont wanna pin IM stuff daily

but oral version was big miss for me.. in 3 weeks ive lost almost 4kg on it, i couldnt eat 2k kcals daily and felt like shit.

for comparison, var doesnt touch my appetite at all. 0 issues.
anadrol was bad. also, my piss was brown

Change in urine color is def a hard stop. No need to re-trial. Anavar is the shit, just gotta watch the HDL and kidney markers. Almost a perfect drug.

 

[BendigoShafter]

Yup it’s just fish oil. I forgot the other one that came out before Vascepa it’s just as good. You can also just go high quality otc. But if it’s covered under your rx plan it could end up being cheaper than otc. And yes it’s rx from my doc

Lovaza is the other one. Most PCPs should give you a prescription if you say you want it for cholesterol.

 

[cousinmuscles]

Bloods look great, I had the same HDL on 4mg pita and 10mg ezetimibe too. I wonder though, the anadrol is what I would believe the biggest offender among all those. Did you check inflammation like C-reactive protein?

Re primo and mast, they wreck lipids but they are not so inflammatory, I am not 100% on the data on mast but with primo, you wont have much more sides apart from lipids compared with test - unlike other anabolics that eventually hit kidneys, liver et.c. If you can do with test only, then they are obsolete IMO, but most see diminishing returns after a dose and need to add something, which is where they become useful.

 

[RockyP]

Yes my CRP was elevated but I had horrible PIP from the injectable anadrol I was using at the time. Redness / swelling / pain at the time of the blood draw. CRP has never been elevated for me in the past even on tren. Even still, will be pulling labs again in a few weeks on test 300 only.

I agree regarding the DHT's as well. They are "safe" in terms of being medically used at one point (primo still is), but if they destroy your HDL, iin my book that's not so wonderful, even if your LDL is buried like ours.

Most recreational users would do fine with just Test and GH alone. In the past I ran T400 at 700 / week with an additional TNE 50 mg 5-6 days per week with no AI and my E2 was 80. Had no symptoms to speak of, though 80 is a little high for my liking. But that was on nearly a gram of total test with no AI. If I were competing / wanting to gain lots of size, I would probably run something like 1 gram of injectable test with 500 or so of primo for E2 control and extra anabolism. But most guys dont even take the time to figure out how much test they can handle without an AI before adding secondary anabolics.

Bloods look great, I had the same HDL on 4mg pita and 10mg ezetimibe too. I wonder though, the anadrol is what I would believe the biggest offender among all those. Did you check inflammation like C-reactive protein?

Re primo and mast, they wreck lipids but they are not so inflammatory, I am not 100% on the data on mast but with primo, you wont have much more sides apart from lipids compared with test - unlike other anabolics that eventually hit kidneys, liver et.c. If you can do with test only, then they are obsolete IMO, but most see diminishing returns after a dose and need to add something, which is where they become useful.

 

[BabaJagga]

I will try it and report back. For science of course.

it theory you should be able to eat on it but i think that lethargy will come sooner or later.

i wonder if maybe dbol would be better for me. ive read here that many guys do good on anadrol and bad on dbol and vice versa.

Change in urine color is def a hard stop. No need to re-trial. Anavar is the shit, just gotta watch the HDL and kidney markers. Almost a perfect drug.

agree, i tapped out after 3 weeks.
var is great tho. no big issues on it and i feel great.

 

[IndividualMan]

it theory you should be able to eat on it but i think that lethargy will come sooner or later.

i wonder if maybe dbol would be better for me. ive read here that many guys do good on anadrol and bad on dbol and vice versa.


agree, i tapped out after 3 weeks.
var is great tho. no big issues on it and i feel great.

stop talking about var. I have 2 baggies of raw var sitting in my wardrobe begging to be used.
My HDL is already screaming (lower end of ref range) and I dont wanna give in, man. And I still wanna do Adrol and MENT this year. ffs.

 

[oxytocin]

wheres the mast from?

 

[4Drago]

100% the mast and orals torched my HDL. Im going to check lipids again in a month after a clear out. DHT’s definitely hit HdL hard for most guys. This “safety” bullshit with primo and mast is very misleading. It’s whatever agrees with your body best. Deca doesn’t touch my lipids but I have to watch my prolactin. But 400 / week has always been plenty for me anyway.

This definitely is where individual unique biology plays into masteron use, as with any aas. I've been successful with moderate masteron p and mast e without any major lipid issues. Up to 500mg per week. EQ for example was the first oil that made my rbc count sky rocket, almost as soon as it was in my system... big no no for me lol.
Like previously mentioned, I'd be interested to see how it effects you when used without the orals.

 

[4Drago]

Gains may take a little more time but it's so worth NOT taking orals if you can. I made almost all my gains on just test and sometimes adding deca (of course I tried other oils later on). Now it's just test and mast at 2/1 ratio. Lipids do pretty well and recover fast.

Orals are nice for those 'feel good' gains or contest prep, but they never seemed to give a permanent edge... unless you plan to stay on them continuously which isn't sustainable.

 

[RockyP]

100%. But even on 450 primo my HDL is under 30. That’s why I’m so aggressive with the lipid lowering. Next time I run anavar it’ll be without mast or primo. And next time I run test / mast / tren I’ll be keeping the mast on the low end. I haven’t run tren or deca without a DHT in a long time and I’m unlikely to try just because they help so much with side effects. I can definitely bring dosages down a bit. That said I will be checking bloods on just test / mast after my health phase to see where that puts my HDL. Something like 400 each.

 

[shredded.lyfe]

100%. But even on 450 primo my HDL is under 30. That’s why I’m so aggressive with the lipid lowering. Next time I run anavar it’ll be without mast or primo. And next time I run test / mast / tren I’ll be keeping the mast on the low end. I haven’t run tren or deca without a DHT in a long time and I’m unlikely to try just because they help so much with side effects. I can definitely bring dosages down a bit. That said I will be checking bloods on just test / mast after my health phase to see where that puts my HDL. Something like 400 each.

That is a big primo dose though, I think the lipid safety stuff goes out the window with blast doses.

 

[RockyP]

That is a big primo dose though, I think the lipid safety stuff goes out the window with blast doses.

I dont think there is much lipid safety at all with DHT's. When people talk about them being "safe" i have no idea what they mean. Don't forget, most bodybuilders / PED users are against statin meds for god knows why, so they don't take lipids into account when assessing "safety." It's why everyone loves anavar (me included) and talks about how "safe" and "mild" it is. You feel / look amazing and think you can run it forever, until you see your HDL in single digits, and likely if you're not taking something for lipid lowering, your LDL way over 100. Nothing mild or safe about that. I'd rather take something that gives me insomnia and night sweats but leaves my lipids alone. This is where the trial and error comes in. Finding things that agree with you but really it's a pick your poison game (and why most guys who aren't competing should just run test and GH).

450 is middle of the road for primo. Ive run it higher before, and lots of guys push it upwards of 600-800+.

 

[shredded.lyfe]

I dont think there is much lipid safety at all with DHT's. When people talk about them being "safe" i have no idea what they mean. Don't forget, most bodybuilders / PED users are against statin meds for god knows why, so they don't take lipids into account when assessing "safety." It's why everyone loves anavar (me included) and talks about how "safe" and "mild" it is. You feel / look amazing and think you can run it forever, until you see your HDL in single digits, and likely if you're not taking something for lipid lowering, your LDL way over 100. Nothing mild or safe about that. I'd rather take something that gives me insomnia and night sweats but leaves my lipids alone. This is where the trial and error comes in. Finding things that agree with you but really it's a pick your poison game (and why most guys who aren't competing should just run test and GH).

450 is middle of the road for primo. Ive run it higher before, and lots of guys push it upwards of 600-800+.

Yes but I mean with doses like that you need the estrogen to support it which will come in the form of an aromatising compound or direct replacement.

If using an aromatising compound at even a 1:1 ratio, so in your examples this would be test at 450 or 600. The testosterone by itself is enough to fuck up lipids without any additional compounds.

I think you'll find if you run it low, 2:1 or 1:1 (so 200t/100p or 200t/200p) that's where the "lipid safety" will show up, because it's probably more of a comparative lense than an absolute lense.

200t/100p is probably better on lipids than 300t etc etc.

 

[RockyP]

Yes but I mean with doses like that you need the estrogen to support it which will come in the form of an aromatising compound or direct replacement.

If using an aromatising compound at even a 1:1 ratio, so in your examples this would be test at 450 or 600. The testosterone by itself is enough to fuck up lipids without any additional compounds.

I think you'll find if you run it low, 2:1 or 1:1 (so 200t/100p or 200t/200p) that's where the "lipid safety" will show up, because it's probably more of a comparative lense than an absolute lense.

200t/100p is probably better on lipids than 300t etc etc.

It's all very individual. I've run a gram of test by itself with no AI and had my HDL in the high 30's, which for me is very good (as it's low 40's on TRT). I do believe I may have answered my own inquiry just there about where to go if I want to be easy on my HDL.

Also just to reiterate for anyone following along, low HDL is never great, but with LDL under 50 it becomes much less relevant and not worth chasing. Lots of info on this forum on that topic from Ghoul and others. I'm going to see how much mileage I can get out of moderate / high test and low nandrolone when I come out of this health phase. Nandrolone agrees with me and never touches my lipids.