Boldenone or Nandrolone? Cycle suggestions wanted

Avarice911

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The question is should I run boldenone, nandrolone, or neither? But below is the good stuff needed to help answer that.-

So I'm going to be starting up my next blast in a couple weeks when I return to lifting after a total of 3.5 weeks (by that time) out of the gym due to gyno surgery. I'm on TRT so no concern for coming off. Little history of me- My training is currently PPL and with my schedule, I end up hitting each workout twice every eight days. I train to failure within (generally) the 10-20 rep range with anywhere from 6-10 working sets per muscle group. I do low-medium intensity cardio 7 days per week consisting of stationary bike, treadmill, stepclimber or outdoor walking. For diet, I need approximately 3000-3200 calories to maintain my weight. Btw, stats are 5'11" 188-190lbs at maybe 11-12% bodyfat (I have visible abs relaxed and have several veins running through them. Also have clear separation of my quads and solid vascularity running through my entire legs). I have been training for almost exactly 19 years. My training in the first few years was idiotic relative to what I know now. I then spent several years (large majority of my 20s) training for running, endurance, and calisthenics. I trained full body 3x/week just to maintain strength during this period. Goal shifted about 2.5-3 years ago and now I am looking to pack on size but prefer to stay lean. I do not plan on competing and simply want to look good. I have no desire to pack on size at any cost if it means getting fatter than I am willing to accept for myself which is about 14-15% max.

Diet consists of protein coming from egg whites, chicken, yogurt, small amount of beef, and typically 1 protein shake a day. I get 180-200g protein per day. Fats I keep low as possible (I don't generally consume high fat foods or direct sources of fat). Carbs fill in the rest of my caloric intake based on current goal. Carbs come from fruit (bananas primarily), sweet potatoes, rice, and some cereal on occasion (generally only when calories are at their highest will I allow some low to no fat cereal postworkout).

My cycle experience is limited. I was on TRT for about 6 months at age 21 due to low test. At that time, it was the era of prohormones so I ran 30mg of Epistane for 4 weeks on top of my TRT. My gyno was aggravated by the test and my doc refused to let me inject myself at home so I came off completely after that and just suffered with low test for over a decade. I then got back on TRT through a clinic approximately 1.5 years ago. I was prescribed 200mg/week test cyp. I knew this was too much for me as I was previously on only 75mg/week and that put me at the high end of normal when I was younger. So I started at 91mg (26mg/EOD). That put me at about 900-1000ng/dL. After a year, I upped the test to 140mg and threw in a low dose of Epistane (15mg) for 8 weeks. A few months later, I bumped my test up to 200mg and eventually 250mg and added 25-40mg of anavar for 10 weeks while cutting. By the end of that little blast, I had about a month before my gyno surgery. I introduced gh @ 2-3iu and bumped test up to 300mg (I feel better slowly increasing to assess tolerance). Had my gyno surgery and removed the entire gland on both sides.

So my plan is to start the blast off at 350mg test cyp and bump that up to 420mg at some point. Blast can be 22 weeks max before I'd like to give myself 8-10 weeks cruise time before another blast for the summer. I'm still fairly experimental with my PED use as in assessing what each compound does to me. So I will be using 25mg anavar for the first 6 weeks. I would like to try turinabol for the first time so I plan on throwing that in on the back end for 6 weeks as well. I would also like to try nandrolone (I have deca and NPP) or boldenone (I have bold cyp and EQ). However, I do not want to run both nandrolone and boldenone concurrently and not know what either one is doing. My goal is to pack on 10-15lbs as lean as I possibly can. I will also be running 3iu gh throughout the entire thing. What are your thoughts on the cycle plan and what compounds mentioned should I use or cut out? This will be my 4th blast (if you even count the epistane w/ trt from over a decade ago lol)
 
With as little test as you’ve ran in the past I say just run 500mg test. Gives you room to grow in the future plus way less sides/money/issues/pinning lol
I knew this suggestion was coming. I’m absolutely open to this idea as well and just holding the boldenone and nandrolone for another time. Was thinking I could also use just the NPP low dose (105mg/week run at 30mg/EOD) at the end for 8 weeks just to get a feel for it
 
I knew this suggestion was coming. I’m absolutely open to this idea as well and just holding the boldenone and nandrolone for another time. Was thinking I could also use just the NPP low dose (105mg/week run at 30mg/EOD) at the end for 8 weeks just to get a feel for it
I really like NPP at 100mg week as it really provides the often touted joint support. I’m also scared of the often cited depressive effect of nandrolone so haven’t pushed past that. With up to 400mg week test e it’s a great combo for older lifters not looking to get injured on cycle/blast.

Oddly enough 100mg NPP seems to provide a mood enhancing effect for me or that might be the fact that I just started cutting and my body loves cutting and hates bulking.

FYI my last cycle was test e/mast e/NPP/hcg with a max of 350/500/100/1000iu spread with 4iu GH for 9 weeks till I couldn’t take the bloat anymore.

Now I’m in cut phase for the next 8 weeks before I wrap and pct. Cut phase I’m at
Test e/mast e/NPP/hcg/
170/200/70/1000iu. 3iu gh dayly
I still feel like my cut doses are a bit to high since I only really need trt level to keep everything but I also cut hard and often loose over 2lbs a week so I’m just worried about loosing everything I just stuffed my face 9 weeks for. Also I’m not on trt and cycle 2x a year at most with a full pct recovery
 
I have never enjoyed EQ....High anxiety, have to run a literal gram for not much results, have to run it a very long time to see ANY results. It lowers e2 to unknown degrees in each individual. Which making dialing in AIs very difficult

Deca/npp is far superior
 
I have never enjoyed EQ....High anxiety, have to run a literal gram for not much results, have to run it a very long time to see ANY results. It lowers e2 to unknown degrees in each individual. Which making dialing in AIs very difficult

Deca/npp is far superior
I was thinking 360mg/week bold cyp to assess how it’s gonna hit my e2. If it crashes it, was going to up my test maybe 20-30% and see if that fixes it. Having bloodwork done tomorrow morning for my baseline tho and will do another set about 4-6 weeks into the blast. Possibly more times during cycle if necessary.

As for the NPP, I was considering it at just 105mg/week to assess.
 
I was thinking 360mg/week bold cyp to assess how it’s gonna hit my e2. If it crashes it, was going to up my test maybe 20-30% and see if that fixes it. Having bloodwork done tomorrow morning for my baseline tho and will do another set about 4-6 weeks into the blast. Possibly more times during cycle if necessary.

As for the NPP, I was considering it at just 105mg/week to assess.
Why post this question if your intent is to dismiss everyone's suggestions
 
Why post this question if your intent is to dismiss everyone's suggestions
I’m not at all. I’m just throwing up the ideas I’ve had before I posted this. I know the first post was a lot but still didn’t get all of my thoughts out there and the few responses triggered my memory to put those ideas out there as to give more depth to the options I initially proposed. What I’ve gathered tho is that if I’m going to run it at that low dose, you don’t believe it’s worth running the Boldenone. Do you think NPP at just 105mg would be a good addition?
 
Brooooo eq is the best steroid for bulking outside of testosterone. Ill tell you why, deca is great and i used it for a long time for bulking. But deca can give me depression, ed, which is think causes the depression, and shuts me down hard i also would feel tired on deca. But eq doesnt give me ed, i can eat much more food, i have more energy, side effects are almost nonexistence for me. The biggest reason i love it for a bulk is i can put down like 20% more food i bet. The gains are good but you need to run it at like 80% your test dose minimum and for a while id say at least 16 weeks to really see eq shine. but either way they both have their benefits but it will come down to which one YOU respond to and like better. just have to try them both.
 
stats are 5'11" 188-190lbs at maybe 11-12% bodyfat

This will be my 4th blast (if you even count the epistane w/ trt from over a decade ago lol)

Please do not get offended, but you are doing this wrong.

You really, really need to figure out your training and diet. Then, once that is sorted (and no, it isn't), figure out your steroid usage, and even then the recommendation is simple, 500mg test a week, like fattyone recommended in post #2, but don't, do not, start until you are a good month into a consistent diet and training regiment.

By diet, either set foods or measure and track everything. Consistently.

At 5'11" and your current stats, 12 weeks of 500mg of testosterone ought to put you over 200 pounds, leaner than you are now.

That's one cycle. But you have to do it right.

"I don't want to compete" is not an excuse. If you are going to put your body through this stuff that is, let's face it, potentially very harmful to things like your cardiovascular system, then at least get the maximum benefit from it.

Then, after an appropriate break, consider adding another compound (which should be nandrolone - I like EQ, but second cycle should be test/deca, in a 2:1 ratio, 600/300 15-20 weeks). You'll be 220 by the end of that one.

Figure out your diet. We have an underutilized nutrition section here.

Training, same. There is a section.

A solid month on your new training and diet, showing actual results, then start a 12 week run of testosterone at 500 and see how you look at the end. Bigger and leaner.

Get that "I don't want to compete" self defeating nonsense out of your head. Instead, next time, post, "I want to get the maximum benefit out of this cycle. How do I do that?"
 
The question is should I run boldenone, nandrolone, or neither? But below is the good stuff needed to help answer that.-

So I'm going to be starting up my next blast in a couple weeks when I return to lifting after a total of 3.5 weeks (by that time) out of the gym due to gyno surgery. I'm on TRT so no concern for coming off. Little history of me- My training is currently PPL and with my schedule, I end up hitting each workout twice every eight days. I train to failure within (generally) the 10-20 rep range with anywhere from 6-10 working sets per muscle group. I do low-medium intensity cardio 7 days per week consisting of stationary bike, treadmill, stepclimber or outdoor walking. For diet, I need approximately 3000-3200 calories to maintain my weight. Btw, stats are 5'11" 188-190lbs at maybe 11-12% bodyfat (I have visible abs relaxed and have several veins running through them. Also have clear separation of my quads and solid vascularity running through my entire legs). I have been training for almost exactly 19 years. My training in the first few years was idiotic relative to what I know now. I then spent several years (large majority of my 20s) training for running, endurance, and calisthenics. I trained full body 3x/week just to maintain strength during this period. Goal shifted about 2.5-3 years ago and now I am looking to pack on size but prefer to stay lean. I do not plan on competing and simply want to look good. I have no desire to pack on size at any cost if it means getting fatter than I am willing to accept for myself which is about 14-15% max.

Diet consists of protein coming from egg whites, chicken, yogurt, small amount of beef, and typically 1 protein shake a day. I get 180-200g protein per day. Fats I keep low as possible (I don't generally consume high fat foods or direct sources of fat). Carbs fill in the rest of my caloric intake based on current goal. Carbs come from fruit (bananas primarily), sweet potatoes, rice, and some cereal on occasion (generally only when calories are at their highest will I allow some low to no fat cereal postworkout).

My cycle experience is limited. I was on TRT for about 6 months at age 21 due to low test. At that time, it was the era of prohormones so I ran 30mg of Epistane for 4 weeks on top of my TRT. My gyno was aggravated by the test and my doc refused to let me inject myself at home so I came off completely after that and just suffered with low test for over a decade. I then got back on TRT through a clinic approximately 1.5 years ago. I was prescribed 200mg/week test cyp. I knew this was too much for me as I was previously on only 75mg/week and that put me at the high end of normal when I was younger. So I started at 91mg (26mg/EOD). That put me at about 900-1000ng/dL. After a year, I upped the test to 140mg and threw in a low dose of Epistane (15mg) for 8 weeks. A few months later, I bumped my test up to 200mg and eventually 250mg and added 25-40mg of anavar for 10 weeks while cutting. By the end of that little blast, I had about a month before my gyno surgery. I introduced gh @ 2-3iu and bumped test up to 300mg (I feel better slowly increasing to assess tolerance). Had my gyno surgery and removed the entire gland on both sides.

So my plan is to start the blast off at 350mg test cyp and bump that up to 420mg at some point. Blast can be 22 weeks max before I'd like to give myself 8-10 weeks cruise time before another blast for the summer. I'm still fairly experimental with my PED use as in assessing what each compound does to me. So I will be using 25mg anavar for the first 6 weeks. I would like to try turinabol for the first time so I plan on throwing that in on the back end for 6 weeks as well. I would also like to try nandrolone (I have deca and NPP) or boldenone (I have bold cyp and EQ). However, I do not want to run both nandrolone and boldenone concurrently and not know what either one is doing. My goal is to pack on 10-15lbs as lean as I possibly can. I will also be running 3iu gh throughout the entire thing. What are your thoughts on the cycle plan and what compounds mentioned should I use or cut out? This will be my 4th blast (if you even count the epistane w/ trt from over a decade ago lol)
Know nothing here.

At your weight you'd get gains simply bumping up to 4K cals. I'm between 150 and 160lbs and have to eat 4K for that!

Forget gh at those small doses. Throw it away.

Drop everything except test, and use the NPP: 50/50
 
Know nothing here.

At your weight you'd get gains simply bumping up to 4K cals. I'm between 150 and 160lbs and have to eat 4K for that!

Forget gh at those small doses. Throw it away.

Drop everything except test, and use the NPP: 50/50
So update- I ended up going with 525mg test (150mg eod), 3-4iu gh, and 50mg anavar for the past 8 weeks. I’m up from 190lbs at the start to 216lbs as of this morning. Been eating 4k calories minimum (4k is what I plan daily but I go over that for about 4200-4500 a day in reality). I’m content with how lean the gains have been as well so I’m dropping the anavar after this weekend and continuing with the test and gh at same doses. I’m certain 8-10lbs of what I’ve gained is water based on the scale’s movement.
 
So update- I ended up going with 525mg test (150mg eod), 3-4iu gh, and 50mg anavar for the past 8 weeks. I’m up from 190lbs at the start to 216lbs as of this morning. Been eating 4k calories minimum (4k is what I plan daily but I go over that for about 4200-4500 a day in reality). I’m content with how lean the gains have been as well so I’m dropping the anavar after this weekend and continuing with the test and gh at same doses. I’m certain 8-10lbs of what I’ve gained is water based on the scale’s movement.
Good choices and good work

Maybe next blast try some Primo with Test for the duration? no Var
 
Good choices and good work

Maybe next blast try some Primo with Test for the duration? no Var
Nothing concrete at the moment but I’m thinking I’m just gonna cruise on 200-250mg for 8-10 weeks in March/April then hit 350mg test and 3-4iu gh for the summer and leave it at that. I don’t plan on making a big push until next winter after this one. If anything, I’ll prob push test up to 700mg for winter of 2024/25 and leave out the anavar or other injectables for the foreseeable future
 
So update- I ended up going with 525mg test (150mg eod), 3-4iu gh, and 50mg anavar for the past 8 weeks. I’m up from 190lbs at the start to 216lbs as of this morning. Been eating 4k calories minimum (4k is what I plan daily but I go over that for about 4200-4500 a day in reality). I’m content with how lean the gains have been as well so I’m dropping the anavar after this weekend and continuing with the test and gh at same doses. I’m certain 8-10lbs of what I’ve gained is water based on the scale’s movement.
4K cal minimum is a good amount for anyone at 190+.
Do the NPP, bro. If you're doing the cardio like you previously stated, you will blow up without the water.

Drop the anavar and forget 4ius of gh; do 8 ius minimum or don't bother.
UNLESS...you're old like me, and want the anti-aging benefits gh offers.

LOL

Good luck!
 
4K cal minimum is a good amount for anyone at 190+.
Do the NPP, bro. If you're doing the cardio like you previously stated, you will blow up without the water.

Drop the anavar and forget 4ius of gh; do 8 ius minimum or don't bother.
UNLESS...you're old like me, and want the anti-aging benefits gh offers.

LOL

Good luck!
I like the gh for sleep quality if nothing else. But it def makes me look fuller and keeps me leaner for sure even at the relatively low dose. I’m only mid 30s but def notice a sleep quality improvement and quicker recovery in general (I added the gh in before I began blasting higher dose test)
 
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