Bood Preasure?

[graybass]

All right you AAS doctors here's a question for ya. I'm in good shape, 5'10" 240lbs, cardio 3 times a week in off season, more when cutting. Lifting hardcore 20 yrs. around 10% BF, Great over all shape (at least I think so ).
It appears the later in my cycle (7 wks now ) the higher my BP gets. I did add A-50"s kinda late in my cycle, when D-bol ran out, but I had A-50's, so, I've been using them instead. It seems like thats when I noticed increase in BP.
Cycle looks like this: 800mg test cyp wk
500mg deca wk
A-50 ED
What do you bros think? I'm a little older, but feel 20. Should I be looking for something to regulate BP. Last time I looked in to this the MD spent all his time lecturing me on my evil lifestyle, ( Meanwhile he was fat disgusting piece of shit I will out live by 50 yrs.) I hate the main stream medical community.
Thank you my Bros. Graybass
P.S. is all tested, good gear

 

[skywalk]

you never once did mention your ancillary program during cycle so i'd be interested to see what you're doing

Skywalk

 

[graybass]

Bp

By ancillary do mean anti-est? Ive never had a problem with gyno or related problems, so i'm not taken noval or anything, although I was thinking about it because I was going to do a fairly long cycle. Would this be better or worse? I plan to end with Clomid. I have stopped the A50's to see if that makes a difference.
I appreciate any more feedback! That Old Graybass!

 

[chris gordon]

well the anti es help with fluid retention, which is a big cause of of increased BP, but i notice my BP goes up when using test and dbol

 

[armsports]

Blood pressure becomes more of an issue as we age, and AAS use has to be considered part of the equation (I'm 42 so I can relate). I'm not too prone to gyno but I do bloat up w/o anti-e's and this can cause my bp to get out of hand. With that cycle I would throw in .25-.5mg ari/day, cut down on the sodium, and see what happens.

 

[skywalk]

By ancillary do mean anti-est? Ive never had a problem with gyno or related problems, so i'm not taken noval or anything, although I was thinking about it because I was going to do a fairly long cycle. Would this be better or worse? I plan to end with Clomid. I have stopped the A50's to see if that makes a difference.
I appreciate any more feedback! That Old Graybass!

Bro, you are setting yourself up for death at a very young age
Why do I say that? You currently have uncontrolled levels of estrogen raging in your body. Do you have to SHOW signs of gyno when you have too much estrogen in your body? NO.....gyno is not merely caused by high levels of estrogen, it's also determined by the ratio of androgens to estrogens. Thus you could go for weeks of extremely elevated levels of estrogen and not have a clue about it (cus you dont see it)

Elevated estrogen will do some or all of the following things to your body (it might have already so you BETTER GET CHECKED!)
1) ventricular hypertrophy from extended periods of elevated BP, concurrent with steroid use
2) makes you store fat like there's no tomorrow
3) DECREASES your gains (less muscle)
4) supresses your HTPA tremendously
5) causes kidney damage
and so on....you get the idea. these levels of estrogen are BAD.

your lack of anti-aromatase during the cycle is the worst thing you could do to yourself.
- get your blood pressure checked by a professional.
- get bloodwork done that measures test, free test, and female hormones (est, prog, etc)
- get some nolvadex and femara PRONTO and take 2.5mg femara ED for 2 weeks, then EOD till the end of your cycle. nolvadex at 20mg ED.
- get your kidney function checked, including ADH, and aldosterone.

on the other hand, you can say f*** this I "FEEL" fine, i'll just carry on doing what i'm doing. But answer me this: Guy on the street running around, carrying on with his daily activities FEELS fine. exercises, does cardio and eats well, suddenly drops dead of a heart attack. he FELT fine....but was his body healthy?
for your sake, go get checked

Skywalk

 

[graybass]

Bp

Thanks guys, I can see where I have to make some changes. ( thanks skywalker) Bring on the anti-est, and the blood work. I think my main problem is starting to be the water-retention. The a-50's aren't helping, I stopped them. I'm going to taper off, and start next cycle better pepared! Any more input is still welcomed!! Thanks Bros. I'm taking advice to heart. (no pun intended) LOL.
It sucks getting Older, But we will prevail!!!!!
That Old Thick Headed (but big) Graybass

P.S. I am waiting for anti_est, So I'll ease Up meanwhile.

 

[armsports]

Skywalk not meaning to flame bro but where have you seen that elevated estrogen is linked to some of the problems you mention, e.g. kidney damage(unless this is from uncontrolled hbp) and decreases in muscle gain(if anything I've heard it might enhance hypertrophy due to it's effects on igf-1). Yes hbp can cause an enlarged heart, but estrogen itself is protective to heart muscle and enhances HDL. Having said this I probably won't go totally w/o anti-e's again cause I swell up like a blowfish.

 

[skywalk]

Skywalk not meaning to flame bro but where have you seen that elevated estrogen is linked to some of the problems you mention, e.g. kidney damage(unless this is from uncontrolled hbp) and decreases in muscle gain(if anything I've heard it might enhance hypertrophy due to it's effects on igf-1). Yes hbp can cause an enlarged heart, but estrogen itself is protective to heart muscle and enhances HDL. Having said this I probably won't go totally w/o anti-e's again cause I swell up like a blowfish.

you're right about hbp and kidney failure.
i've read that Estrogen also upregulates the receptor sites but take note...we're talking about miniscule amounts of estrogen...just a little goes a long way. I am baffled at the current mentality where people think "hey I read that estrogen is good for me cus it enhances my gains during my cycle. Lets scrap all the anti-aromatase and let the estrogen build up inside me!" bullshit.

firstly, femara and arimidex supress aromatization to a large degree, but not totally. throw in nolvadex and you pretty much have close to no estrogen in the body. close to is much more than none. You still have SOME estrogen in the body, minus the bloat, the potential for renal failure, possible ventricular hypertrophy in compensation for the extended periods of elevated blood pressure, the gyno, and (probably most importantly for you, the AAS user) more anabolic, unaltered, un-aromatized hormones pumping through your veins causing insane growth everywhere they go! Do you see how it can indirectly decrease muscle gain now? This is just the tip of the iceberg. Go research and let us know what you find...

Skywalk

 

[tomo]

I can vouch for the ventricular hypertrophy, but I also want to mention that it can be reversed--tomo

 

[vicman]

high blood pressure on juice

I am somewhat older and also have problems with high blood pressure while on the juice. I do the right things, eat right, low sodium, cardio, and a solid ant-e program but that is just a common side effect with a lot of users. I would recommend that you go to a doctor and tell him that your blood pressure has been somewhat high and that high blood pressure runs in your family. He will probably give you some medication to help control your blood pressure which you can use during your cycles. Some times it takes a few weeks for the medicine to lower your blood pressure. One important point is that high blood pressure is something you shouldn't ignore but you can easily control it with medication.

 

[crapulous]

high estrogen can cause hyperthyroidism. that will cause you sleep and appetite problems.

 

[skywalk]

I am somewhat older and also have problems with high blood pressure while on the juice. I do the right things, eat right, low sodium, cardio, and a solid ant-e program but that is just a common side effect with a lot of users. I would recommend that you go to a doctor and tell him that your blood pressure has been somewhat high and that high blood pressure runs in your family. He will probably give you some medication to help control your blood pressure which you can use during your cycles. Some times it takes a few weeks for the medicine to lower your blood pressure. One important point is that high blood pressure is something you shouldn't ignore but you can easily control it with medication.

I must warn you folk what one of my mentors taught me, and that was this: be very very wary of countering the side effects of drugs with more drugs. Sure you can take some pill to lower your blood pressure....so you take it and your blood pressure decreases....FOR A WHILE. Unknown to you is whats happening INSIDE your body, with the millions of drug interactions happening between all the different compounds in your body. This could range from OTC aspirin tylenol, Advil, to your BP meds and anti-E's.

If there's nothing else you remember from reading this, make sure you remember this. The human body is not merely an organism that has very clear-cut, linear reactions and metabolic pathways. It has literally millions of pathways and synergistic reactions going on all day long. It is IMPOSSIBLE to affect and alter one pathway (example. advil for pain) and not have a side-effect occuring somewhere else. Every time you pop a pill, you take the risk of affecting a whole host of other reactions (we call side effects) that might not even produce visible symptoms (so you think you're not getting side effects huh? think again...you ARE)

Bottom line: Pills to combat the effects of other pills, drugs to lower HBP caused by other drugs, BAD BAD BAD idea. Same goes for pills to help decrease the pain from prop/suspension/winstrol shots? Good luck to you. If that pain was too much for you and you have to resort to other drugs......


Skywalk