I started my first cycle with 500mg test c and I felt great for the first 9 weeks. Around the 10th week I started getting very light headed. I then started checking my BP which was about 160/70. I immediately quit injecting and went and got my bloods done everything looked normal except my estradiol which had went from 20 pg/ml to 100 pg/m. I had been very bloated and retaining a lot of water which I'm guessing is the reason for the massive spike in BP but a lot of my family have hypertension naturally so l think that on top of excessive estradiol made it very bad. What I was thinking was I start back up at a lower dose such as 200mg a week and take arimidex to manage estradiol and also start to take telmisartan and amlodiphine to manage BP. I'm new to all this I'm trying to learn as much as I can but I really want to do this correctly. So if any one has any input on what I should do or any information that would help me, please share if you do not mind. It would be much appreciated.
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Anabolic Steroids
BP/Estradiol complications with first cycle
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narta
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Cardio?
I would first fix your estradiol management and start doing cardio, LISS is fine 30 minutes a day.
After that if BP still higher than 120/70
Start adding BP meds slowly, not all together. So first 40mg telmisartan and if it's not enough 5mg nebivolol or amlodipine and see from there.
Don't rush too much with adding multiple drugs to combat side effects. There's a good chance after dropping your estradiol to normal (for me that is between 30-50) your BP will get down. Perhaps not under 120 but you'll take it from there regarding which med and how much you'll have to use.
If it's still high you'll have to find a med that's specific towards isolated systolic hypertension, you don't want to drop your diastolic lower than it already is.
If it's still high you'll have to find a med that's specific towards isolated systolic hypertension, you don't want to drop your diastolic lower than it already is.
Thank you for the input I have dropped my dose to 175mg a week and am taking .5 mg of arimidex a week until my estradiol is good then I am going to titrate off the ai. I would like to stay at 175 for a bit, then if everything is good I would like to bump the dose up to 250 and see how that affects my estradiol. If you think I should do anything differently please let me know. I appreciate the help, thank you.
RaddishPork
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Cialis absolutely does not lower 5-15 points a day for 90% of the population. There's a reason it got switched from BP meds to boner meds. It sucks for lowering blood pressure compared to everything else out there. 5mg of cialis a day is going to do nothing for someone with 5x their normal estrogen. They need to get e2 dialed in and hit cardio.
the guy alredy started arimidex and lowered his testosterone dosage, so e2d think are in check ( have of course do new blood test )
but with a testosterone dosage of 175mg per week the blood pressure can be easily controlled with lifestyle changes, cardio, supplements, cialis is a valid help and by the way have others benefit
5 mg day put my 136 systolic to 118-122
but with a testosterone dosage of 175mg per week the blood pressure can be easily controlled with lifestyle changes, cardio, supplements, cialis is a valid help and by the way have others benefit
5 mg day put my 136 systolic to 118-122
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SenorSuperdrol
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There are better options for controlling bp than Tadalifil.
Tadalifil is for pulmonary hypertension.
Tadalifil is for pulmonary hypertension.
Ghoul
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160/70 is stage 2 isolated hypertension. Allow it to rise above 180 and organ damage is expected to begin.
You are far beyond the "Cardio" stage of treatment and if your changes haven't dropped BP you need to get on an anti-hypertensive med ASAP.
I lowered my dose to 175 and started an ai as of today I took my bp systolic was down to 127. I’m going to try 250 if I can keep my e2 and bp in check without an ai at 175. For right now I’m just going to cut on 175 and continue to get my bloods done and check e2 every few weeks and try to taper off ai. I will also probably begin telmisatan if BP is still above 120 within the following weeks. If you have any suggestions/info I would greatly appreciate it. I have read a lot of your post/responses regarding BP and BP meds and have learned a lot from you, I appreciate the help thank you.
This happened to me when I first started taking PEDs. Turned out I needed to drink more water, control my estrogen better, and that was it! Blood pressure normalised after 2 days of drinking more water and adjusting my adex.
Also cardio if you’re not already doing that. Steady state is fine.
Also cardio if you’re not already doing that. Steady state is fine.
Do you run an ai consistently or did you just change doses/compounds of aas?
Ghoul
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Well your systolic is completely out of the danger zone, but what's the diastolic? Since it was 70 (ideal) while your systolic was 160, that complicates things because you don't want that to drop below 60 while lowering systolic. Isolated systolic hypertension like that is usually indicative of hardened arteries btw.
My diastolic has not really changed it stays between 65-75. Is there anything I can do about hardened arteries? Thank you for the feedback.
Ghoul
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The AAS resulting in (luckily) temporary isolated systolic hypertension may have given you an early warning of arteriosclerosis. Lipids look fine but other factors can cause it (50% of people with arteriosclerosis have normal cholesterol). If I had experienced what you just did I'd get a calcium score.
I have had an ecg before and everything was good. I will look into getting the calcium score though if you think that is a good thing to do. Do you think my current plan is good or would you recommend any changes? Thank you for the help.
I just took adex more often. Let’s say I did 1 every Monday, then I started doing one Monday and Thursday, for example.
Also I would listen to @Ghoul because he seems like a smart chap. Short term you may fix it with my advice, but I have no idea if what you saw is indicative of anything more serious.
I agree I have learned a lot from him reading his past posts in other threads relating to cardiovascular health and BP issues.
Ghoul
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I think it's fine. Just that crazy high systolic and normal diastolic is what you'd expect in a 70 year old with clogged arteries. Otherwise, they'd have risen together, more or less, not diastolic totally normal. and systolic stage 2 hypertension. An ECG wouldn't show anything abnormal.
