Bridging With HGH: Few Questions

[jewberg]

hello friends, i hope all is well with you and yours

Little bg, this is my first REAL cycle but i have dabbled for more than 10 yrs, just never much or for very long or properly. been reading and enjoying learning for a long time

I am about 8 wks through a 12 wk 600mg/wk test cycle (kick started with prop, then went to sustanon, now using half sustanon half cyp)

ive been taking 12.5 mg Aromasin EOD for AI, and been using HCG @ 250iu x2 week since i started the cycle. Also taking 20mg cardarine daily

results have been GREAT! i must respond very well.. basically a recomp, i lost a shit ton of weight before i started (like 275 to 215) with 3 months of cardio and very low carb, eating very clean. ive gained about 10 lb of muscle , lost a LOT of fat, feel great, 6pack for the first time in my life (even playing football when i was very strong and lean i never had defined abs, more like a 4 pack)

really like how i look and feel on cycle, which is most of why im just doing 12 wks so i can do another cycle this year before too long.

So, for a while ive been really dreading having to come off cycle for PCT and between cycles. I have Clomid and Nolva ready of course, and plan to blast 5000 iu HCG before PCT as many recommend...

so when i learned about the concept of bridging i was fascinated... of course i wouldnt want to use anything supressive though so orals, etc are out (wanna avoid HRT as long as possible)

Initially i was planning on doing a SARM bridge with something like Ostarine (slightly suppressive, but less than LGD..), s4, and Cardarine. Planning to go off about 4 mo (cycle +PCT) before my next cycle (probably gonna do test and eq or tren or NPP, my liver has had a hard enough life without orals lol)

then i heard about some people being very happy with bridges using HGH (either alone or with peptides/sarms)... seems like a great route since it would not be suppressing the HTPA at all during the time i want it to recover.

my goal for the bridge is just to maintain as much gains as i can and hopefully keep cutting up and gaining muscle / losing fat.. thinking about 4 or 5 IU per day every day (maybe 5 of 7 @ 6 IU)... planning to try a few brands and get a small amount of pharma to compare them (Auctus, Kefei, generic, norditropin, anasomone, etc)

im thinkng of starting as soon as i finish my cycle, before/during pct... possibly even the last 2 weeks of my cycle. my main purpose for it is to maintain gains and to hopefully not feel terrible during recovery, not to get as big as humanly possible

is this a good plan? any advice would be much appreciated!

I am also considering stacking the GH with IGF-1 (LR3, DES, etc, which is best for this?) and/or CJC, and/or GHRP 2/4/6, and/or SARMs, any feedback would be great

what would be the best route for someone with my goals? thanks everyone for all your help, you guys rock!!

 

[Xlgx]

Didn’t like promuscle replies??? Lol

 

[jewberg]

...i asked several boards at the same time

but no, i like the (1) promuscle reply i got (so far) just fine... hoping that person answers my followup questions as well

care to add anything helpful?

 

[ironwill1951]

ill put it this way, to see results from hgh you should run it for 6 months, so how would that fit into a bridge ? it wont.

 

[Apexvallen]

You need to do everything possible to avoid feeling like you need to be taking something when you aren't on cycle. Getting into the habit of 'ok I'm PCTing, now I need a bunch of other illegal shit to maintain muscle between cycles' is very damaging psychologically. Take some creatine, up your coffee consumption and work on mental strength. HGH needs to be taken for 6 months to a year and has absolutely nothing to do with bridging. People have been cycling since the 50s and never had SARMS and managed to keep their mass.

 

[Thaistick]

You need to do everything possible to avoid feeling like you need to be taking something when you aren't on cycle. Getting into the habit of 'ok I'm PCTing, now I need a bunch of other illegal shit to maintain muscle between cycles' is very damaging psychologically. Take some creatine, up your coffee consumption and work on mental strength. HGH needs to be taken for 6 months to a year and has absolutely nothing to do with bridging. People have been cycling since the 50s and never had SARMS and managed to keep their mass.

The only thing that is different for me personally is that I see results much sooner than six months.

 

[Apexvallen]

Well sure, take it. But its just a slippery slope in my opinion. When I came off my first cycleI was thinking to myself 'I'm not chemically enhanced like I was before, I'm going to be weak and small' and I lost motivation and gains and turned to theories on bridging. If that doesn't apply to you then thats awesome man. If you're already mentally strong then half the battle is won. Just dont want to see you throwing thousands down the drain on sarms or GH when being dedicated with diet and heavy lifting is really all thats required to keep a lot of that mass. In my opinion, PCT is not the time to be cutting. I think eating at maintenance or just a bit higher is the better option till your hormones are all balanced out. I've seen many people bulk nicely on a cycle and then lose it all post cycle due to cutting while getting their endogenous hormones normal. Not saying thats what you're doing or that thats whats going to happen to you but just explaining the context for my reply.
So basically, yeah, take the GH if you like the results. Its not really considered a bridge though, and do everything possible to not use it as mental crutch.

 

[Robfromga]

You need to do everything possible to avoid feeling like you need to be taking something when you aren't on cycle. Getting into the habit of 'ok I'm PCTing, now I need a bunch of other illegal shit to maintain muscle between cycles' is very damaging psychologically. Take some creatine, up your coffee consumption and work on mental strength. HGH needs to be taken for 6 months to a year and has absolutely nothing to do with bridging. People have been cycling since the 50s and never had SARMS and managed to keep their mass.

Epic advice

 

[Apexvallen]

Epic advice

Haha, thanks homie. I try to keep it real!

 

[ChestRockwell]

ill put it this way, to see results from hgh you should run it for 6 months

Please support this statement.

 

[Apexvallen]

Please support this statement.

Honestly curious, is this similar to like taking a t4 tablet. Say I take one single t4 tab, i wont notice anything right, but if I take it for a few months I will. Would you say its a fair analogy to gh? Take one shot of 4iu, and then never again, will you see any difference?

 

[ChestRockwell]

Honestly curious, is this similar to like taking a t4 tablet. Say I take one single t4 tab, i wont notice anything right, but if I take it for a few months I will. Would you say its a fair analogy to gh? Take one shot of 4iu, and then never again, will you see any difference?

Neither of your dosing analogies are going to be recommended, nor do I consider realistic.

Both the thyroidal and GH/IGF axis are controlled by a series of feedback regulations. Using exogenous supplementation will cause endogenous modifications and a single dose will simply cause an acute suppression (in the case of GH) followed by endogenous secretion being restored shortly thereafter. It kind of defeats the "spirit" of exogenous use cases...

 

[RandallNowan]

ill put it this way, to see results from hgh you should run it for 6 months, so how would that fit into a bridge ? it wont.

Hi, @ironwill1951 - not trolling at all, here, so please don't take it that way, but intuitively I don't feel like HGH would work like that? And using it as part of a bridge does seem like a good strategy to me.
Could you please enlighten me as to why I am wrong.

Respectfully, Randall.

 

[Apexvallen]

Neither of your dosing analogies are going to be recommended, nor do I consider realistic.

Both the thyroidal and GH/IGF axis are controlled by a series of feedback regulations. Using exogenous supplementation will cause endogenous modifications and a single dose will simply cause an acute suppression (in the case of GH) followed by endogenous secretion being restored shortly thereafter. It kind of defeats the "spirit" of exogenous use cases...

Okay, I get your post but my point is that we establish a start point and an end point. So 1 dose is stupid and too small and won't help anything and acutely suppresses endogenous hormone production for so little gain. So what about 6 days? 12? 40? There is a point where you could reasonably say 'ok thats the minimum that this product is effective'.
I think that to say 'well GH is useless if not used for at least 6 months' is silly, but it seems like the general consensus is that due to the nature of the hormone and the way in which it works, there is something to be said for trying to establish a sensible minimum usage time frame. And in this case, the community has gravitated towards the 6 month theory.

 

[RandallNowan]

So are growth hormone releasing peptides more suited for the purpose of bridging... they are the opposite of suppressive, after all...

Randall

 

[Apexvallen]

I think OP is asking about HGH, not GHRP

 

[ironwill1951]

I guess I should have worded it (that for me I see the best results if ran 6 months, I certainly did not say or mean that it is (useless) for less time than 6 months.
I do believe there is a point where you could say this is the minimum amount of time for hgh to be effective. what do you feel that amount of time is?
for me personally if I started dosing hgh at the end of a cycle and cruised for 90 days I don't think this would work,

 

[ChestRockwell]

I do believe there is a point where you could say this is the minimum amount of time for hgh to be effective. what do you feel that amount of time is?

For those using rHGH as part of a dietary stack, the growth hormone will be "effective" within hours, as it works to stimulate lipolytic process in the body.

For those using it as part of a hypertrophy stack, autocrine IGF mRNA expression increases in skeletal muscle within minutes when injected locally.

I tend to react strongly when I see "it takes months for GH to be effective" though. This is just my opinion, however I tend to think this became popular to say when folks were peddling garbage non-FDA products as a way to appease their client base when challenged as to why they were noticing nothing with their products...

 

[jewberg]

wow guys, big thanks for all the great advice!! much obliged my friends!

@Apexvallen, makes perfect sense, i am gonna try to keep that in mind.. i think you are 100% right. i probably am building it up in my head a bit since its my first real cycle, PCT and time off..

is standard nolva + clomid adequate for pct? planning to blast 5000 iu HCG before pct as well... any additions or modifications i should make?

also im planning to go 4 mo off (cycle is 12 weeks, cut it shorter than 16 so i could do another this year), does that sound right?

regarding peptides:
i am definitely interested in all of that... been considering gh, gh + ifg1 (and/or GHRP 2/4/6 , and/or CJC, and or mk677)...

one guy even suggested using HCG and Clomid (in addition to gh, mk677, and igf1-lr3) between cycles. that is the first i had heard of using clomid or HCG between cycles (outside of PCT), is that something people do?

originally i planned to bridge with sarms, but reasoned that with gh avoid any t suppression between cycles.. might still use cardarine, mk677, and open to suggestions.

what combo of peptides, sarms, etc would work best for this purpose? (not suppressing hpta recovery, maintaining gains or growing, feeling good)


again, thanks for all the great advice and perspectives my friends!

 

[Apexvallen]

Clomid and nolva is the standard protocol yes.
Clomid at 100/50/50/50 with nolva at 40/20/20/20 is what I have used successfully in the past.

I would suggest creatine and a PWO for the days where your test is that of a corpse and you need to workout but can't drag your ass off the couch.

And no, if you can't get your test back after 4-8 weeks of clomid, then doing more weeks of it isn't going to do something that hasn't already been done. If you're taking hgh you wont want to bother with mk677.