I was told that brovel deca was trustworthy but evidently things have changed. I've tried denkal, q.v. and tornels super test 250 all with what i thought were modest results. Until i got access to human gear and got some very substantial results. I mean c'mon almost 20lbs from 200mg deca (norma) and 1 amp sust for 7 weeks. compared to the 5-10 lbs gains from equal amounts of vet gear. my diet and training was totally dialed in as well. i don't know, i might still do vet stuff for one more try if its there and cheap but if it doesn't work dam good thats the last i'll use it. also isn't q.v. made by the same people who made ttokkyo. now thats some stuff i wouldn't try even though i had it. i mean what the hell kind of name is ttokkyo anyway, and the big dog head picture...way too shady. it was made in columbia if i'm not mistaken. wonder where qv is made? and for anyone that doesn't know the standards are much lower for vet gear than human, regarding purity and bacteria counts.