Can the use of AAS permanently kill sex drive?

[Rtaym224]

Im currently 34 and have been on TRT (as well as many blast cycles of test throughout the years) for about five years now. I have also run cycles of trenbolone and nandrolone primarily, adex as my AI. HCG on cycle and off. I have had two periods in the last five years where i've stopped all AAS including testosterone, for about 4 months off everything and each time recovering with PCT where my sperm count goes back to normal as does my endogenous production of test as confirmed by labs.

In the beginning when I was just injecting testosterone I had a great sex drive, better than ever. Then I started adding in new compounds primarily tren and nandrolone and ever since my first cycle of those two my libido has crashed and been in the toilet and never recovered.

Currently taking 500mg test prop/wk with 250 of nandrolone. Just started again, still no good with my libido, I can go weeks without thinking of fucking a chick.

I am going to try pt 141 to see if it will help me, but my primary question is could I have caused some type of permanent libido problem with the heavy use of potent AAS?

My physician and HRT doc are referring me to endocrinology specialists at the local university hospital to try and find a solution.

 

[Rido]

Have you got a full set of hormones done yet?

 

[grey]

So NOTHING gets it going... porn etc?

I ask because if porn still works for you then the issue is possibly (probably in that case really) not pharmacological.

If not, then blood testing is indeed your next step.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

Does this turn you on?

 

[TrenTrenTren]

I had to ask to get the full picture of your current situation.

 

[EatClen/TrenHard]

ALCAR is a supplement that was proven to be more effective than testosterone at curing erectile dysfunction in clinical studies. Erection maintainance is different from libido, but if you get hard, you'll get horny. and if you get horny, you'll get hard.

 

[Rtaym224]

porn doesnt do it for me either.

I run labs regularly. What specific lab tests should I have ordered to try and diagnose low libido? I dont have issues with ED.

 

[juicebro]

1. Make sure your testosterone is legit. Get serum testosterone levels checked. Start with the basics
2. Estrogen & prolactin

If it's more complicated than that I'd just dump deca (and tren) as it seems to do that to some people. Usually it's something simple though.

You could also check DHEA-s, pregnenalone-s, dht, shbg so see if something seriously out of whack. I have found boosting dhea and pregenenalone to help during long cycles. Although HCG does the same thing.

If you know you have libido issues why would you even start a new deca cycle anyway?

 

[Rtaym224]

1. Make sure your testosterone is legit. Get serum testosterone levels checked. Start with the basics
2. Estrogen & prolactin

If it's more complicated than that I'd just dump deca (and tren) as it seems to do that to some people. Usually it's something simple though.

You could also check DHEA-s, pregnenalone-s, dht, shbg so see if something seriously out of whack. I have found boosting dhea and pregenenalone to help during long cycles. Although HCG does the same thing.

If you know you have libido issues why would you even start a new deca cycle anyway?

Because im not certain it was the deca that killed libido for me. I ran a cycle of tren ace, test cyp, nandrolone decanoate, with adex for e2 control, and hcg on cycle.
My total testosterone numbers in my last lab panel were over 1500, I dont know the exact number because we didnt use lc/ms test.
my free test is great

My DHT has been LOW, last three lab panels. Docs cant explain this and told me to apply testosterone cream directly to my nuts to raise DHT. Didnt work.

my SHBG is usally low

dhea-s high end of normal

prolactin high normal

estradiol normal

igf1- high normal
hgh #1 very low, barely measurable

progesterone i had tested only once several years ago it came in at .2 range 0.0 to 0.5

i do tend to run long cycles. HCG boosts dhea and pregnenolone? should i try and boost dhea-s if its in the high-normal range? how much pregnenolone should i supplement on my next cycle? Ill be using test, tren, deca, mast.

 

[effiffoff]

Something is not clear for me: are you on TRT?
But yes, AAS can cause permanent damage that some cant solve with just TRT only. Thats not an opinion acceptable on forums which lives off from advertising roids. But its a possibility.

Metabolites of tren and nandrolone (especially decanoate) can linger for up to a year depending on genetics. Maybe more if you are that one unlucky person out of 1 million...


"prolactin high normal"
it depends on the range but in my country it is very broad...which is fine until you have symptoms. Try low dose of caber/prami and see how it goes.

"My DHT has been LOW, last three lab panels. Docs cant explain this and told me to apply testosterone cream directly to my nuts to raise DHT. Didnt work."

Try some masteron along with your TRT. Nandrolone can cause DHT issues if I remember correctly. I don't need to remember because it makes me a stinky animal so I wont likely to use it ever again.

So I think try one and then the other and if it doesnt work out well try both the same time.

I think for your at age 34 after abusing roids with long cycles TRT is a necessity.

 

[Rtaym224]

Something is not clear for me: are you on TRT?
But yes, AAS can cause permanent damage that some cant solve with just TRT only. Thats not an opinion acceptable on forums which lives off from advertising roids. But its a possibility.

Metabolites of tren and nandrolone (especially decanoate) can linger for up to a year depending on genetics. Maybe more if you are that one unlucky person out of 1 million...


"prolactin high normal"
it depends on the range but in my country it is very broad...which is fine until you have symptoms. Try low dose of caber/prami and see how it goes.

"My DHT has been LOW, last three lab panels. Docs cant explain this and told me to apply testosterone cream directly to my nuts to raise DHT. Didnt work."

Try some masteron along with your TRT. Nandrolone can cause DHT issues if I remember correctly. I don't need to remember because it makes me a stinky animal so I wont likely to use it ever again.

So I think try one and then the other and if it doesnt work out well try both the same time.

I think for your at age 34 after abusing roids with long cycles TRT is a necessity.

I’m on doc rxed trt year round. I cycle larger amounts of testosterone several times per year.

 

[All Nats McGee]

My guess is your DHT. Nandrolone creates a powerful hormone known as DHN which has a higher affinity for the receptor then DHT. Drop the nandrolone and run your TRT script. You may need to be prescribed pure DHT cream alongside testosterone.

 

[hijoshiki]

Stop the nandrolone and run mast prop.

Don't need much, perhaps 40mg twice a week.

And 500 T Prop, that's too much. You slammed your CNS and now you're all out of whack.

That's why I suggest you drop everything for a month and then start back up with small doses of T and see what happens.

I blast at my age and I can't nut for anything, it's just a light mist and not pleasurable at all. However DHT is the holy grail, you'll have to wear clothing that holds everything in place so you don't get arrested. The only problem is once you get older your prostate will having you waking up 3 times a night to go to the bathroom.

 

[Rido]

so I have ran 600 test and 300 primo. my test was 2700 and my e2 was normal at 39.

my libido didnt return until my e2 shot up in ratio of test.

so I was running around with 2000 test and 142 e2 and I wanted to fuck but I couldnt cum.


my point of this is the ratio may is important. I couldnt narrow it down if it was the primo or e2 but either way. my libido was back when the estradiol was supraphysiologic along with the test

 

[Canknucklehead]

Yup as mentioned previously drop the deca/nandrolone

They call it deca dick for a reason.

 

[Big_paul]

but my primary question is could I have caused some type of permanent libido problem with the heavy use of potent AAS?

Sorry to say yes. Things only get worse and you young. Lay off the 19nor.