Caps or suspension?

[Murho]

I have just received some different raw powders - a couple of types of orals, arimidex, cialis. I've been reading here for a while the instructions for capping and for making oral suspensions. What do you guys prefer?

Capsules seem more convient for bringing with me when I'm away for a weekend, but having all these capsules that look identical seems like it could be easy to get them mixed up.

 

[AnTabolic73]

I have just received some different raw powders - a couple of types of orals, arimidex, cialis. I've been reading here for a while the instructions for capping and for making oral suspensions. What do you guys prefer?

Capsules seem more convient for bringing with me when I'm away for a weekend, but having all these capsules that look identical seems like it could be easy to get them mixed up.

They have different color caps, and different color pill bottles for the caps. So that shouldn't be a problem.

 

[XKawN]

I prefer capsules, but that being said your not going to be able to capsule a product that calls for such a low amount of active ingredient like adex and be within a tolerable amount of error. Mixing 1mg of active ingredient with 700mg of filler isn't going to be consistent enough. Personally, i wouldn't even attempt to suspend it. I would only use a solution for that.

 

[Murho]

I prefer capsules, but that being said your not going to be able to capsule a product that calls for such a low amount of active ingredient like adex and be within a tolerable amount of error. Mixing 1mg of active ingredient with 700mg of filler isn't going to be consistent enough. Personally, i wouldn't even attempt to suspend it. I would only use a solution for that.

And even 1mg is more than I'd want, .5 seems right for me. Solution does make more sense for that.

 

[master.on]

I have just received some different raw powders - a couple of types of orals, arimidex, cialis. I've been reading here for a while the instructions for capping and for making oral suspensions. What do you guys prefer?

Capsules seem more convient for bringing with me when I'm away for a weekend, but having all these capsules that look identical seems like it could be easy to get them mixed up.

And even 1mg is more than I'd want, .5 seems right for me. Solution does make more sense for that.

For low mg substances capsules are good only if properly mixed with filler
Google 'geometric dilution'
you may want to use a dye to spot unmixed spots.


Suspensions may be unevenly dosed, even if properly shaken.

So, for a beginner
true solutions are safer.
Google their solubilities in different solvents.

 

[XKawN]

For low mg substances capsules are good only if properly mixed with filler
Google 'geometric dilution'
you may want to use a dye to spot unmixed spots.


Suspensions may be unevenly dosed, even if properly shaken.

So, for a beginner
true solutions are safer.
Google their solubilities in different solvents.

Very similar to the system i use. The difference is with each addition of filler i mix the two powders by folding the mix over and over again with a thin credit card. It's the most accurate way to mix powders that I've found.

 

[master.on]

Very similar to the system i use. The difference is with each addition of filler i mix the two powders by folding the mix over and over again with a thin credit card. It's the most accurate way to mix powders that I've found.

Credit card?
Would you mind explaining it to us like we were 5 year old?

What do you think of using a coloring agent to spot unmixed edges?
Which colorant would you use?

 

[XKawN]

Credit card?
Would you mind explaining it to us like we were 5 year old?

What do you think of using a coloring agent to spot unmixed edges?
Which colorant would you use?

I dont use a colorant, but not a bad idea.

What i mean is this. I weigh out my active ingredient and add to mixing bowl. I then weigh out my filler and put to the side. I will then have 5 grams of active ingredient vs approximately 60 grams of filler. I'll pour an equal amount of filler to the amount of active ingredient (so if you have 5 grams of active ingredient i will eyeball approximately 5 grams of filler and pour on top). I'll then take a thin card (something like a credit card but thinner) and scoop under the powders in the bowl and kind of just flip it on top of it's self. Kind of like you would food in a pan with a spatula. But as i flip it over i spin the bowl little spins as i flip over and over again. Maybe like 8 times and then i add another equal amount, which is now about 10 grams of filler since you have 10 grams in the bowl, and repeat the flipping and spinning 8 times and do this process until the filler has all been applied and mixed. That's what the person in the video is doing accept instead of mixing he's motar and pestling. I think my way is better. I only mortar and pestle when there are clumps in the powder.

 

[master.on]

I dont use a colorant, but not a bad idea.

What i mean is this. I weigh out my active ingredient and add to mixing bowl. I then weigh out my filler and put to the side. I will then have 5 grams of active ingredient vs approximately 60 grams of filler. I'll pour an equal amount of filler to the amount of active ingredient (so if you have 5 grams of active ingredient i will eyeball approximately 5 grams of filler and pour on top). I'll then take a thin card (something like a credit card but thinner) and scoop under the powders in the bowl and kind of just flip it on top of it's self. Kind of like you would food in a pan with a spatula. But as i flip it over i spin the bowl little spins as i flip over and over again. Maybe like 8 times and then i add another equal amount, which is now about 10 grams of filler since you have 10 grams in the bowl, and repeat the flipping and spinning 8 times and do this process until the filler has all been applied and mixed. That's what the person in the video is doing accept instead of mixing he's motar and pestling. I think my way is better. I only mortar and pestle when there are clumps in the powder.

Do you think thoroughly shaking a capped jar is any better or worse than hand mixing?

 

[XKawN]

Do you think thoroughly shaking a capped jar is any better or worse than hand mixing?

I don't think shaking a jar would get it fully mixed. It would he better than blending as I've heard some people do. See, you need an inconsistent form of mixing as these powders are not the same no matter how similar they are. If you have a consistent form of mixing, like a blender which spins in a consistent manner, then the powders will follow a path in a consistent way to its self. Kind of hard to explain. The filler will take it's own path and the active ingredient will follow it's own path.

 

[combover]

Any recommendations on filler to use with Cialis and aromasin?

 

[Sk8man101]

Dude suspension is so easy I can't see myself doing anything else.
What is the downside of it? Is there like a lower shelf life or something?

 

[Sk8man101]

I don't think shaking a jar would get it fully mixed. It would he better than blending as I've heard some people do. See, you need an inconsistent form of mixing as these powders are not the same no matter how similar they are. If you have a consistent form of mixing, like a blender which spins in a consistent manner, then the powders will follow a path in a consistent way to its self. Kind of hard to explain. The filler will take it's own path and the active ingredient will follow it's own path.

He's absolutely right^

When you mix different shit it the same compounds seem to settle with themselves.
Even when I was mixing my own preworkout, all the shit looked like the same bitter white powder in the bulk bags it came in. But when I mixed it, it was easy to tell what was what because the same shit just sort of naturally stuck to the same shit.

Hahaha damn it is hard to explain your right! I like wrote out three different things and erased em cause it sounded dumb.

 

[XKawN]

Any recommendations on filler to use with Cialis and aromasin?

I have a bunch of powders that i buy from purebulk. I mostly use creatine or vitamin c, but the important thing is finding something with close to ths same size and weight. something that closely resembles the active ingredient if you will. And some products don't seem to work in liquid form such as caber. I find that a good number of people say cialis doesn't work when in liquid.

 

[notanothersnake]

I prefer capsules, but that being said your not going to be able to capsule a product that calls for such a low amount of active ingredient like adex and be within a tolerable amount of error. Mixing 1mg of active ingredient with 700mg of filler isn't going to be consistent enough. Personally, i wouldn't even attempt to suspend it. I would only use a solution for that.

I don't believe this to be true. I believe mixing with higher amounts of filler actually decreases the fluctuation on doses between caps. Say you have a cap that holds 200mg and you do half anadrol and half filler. If your overall powder is off by 10mg, then your anadrol is off by 2.5mg. And if its 1mg of adex and 199mg of filler and your off by 10mg then your really only misdosing by .01mg which is very small, even for adex.
However, if the active compound is a course powder, I will run it thru a fine screen to decrease the size and allow it to disperse in the filler better...

And I don't do any of capping or suspensions anymore. I send powders to a friend who will tab 1000 doses for 150 bucks. Easy fix lol

 

[XKawN]

I don't believe this to be true. I believe mixing with higher amounts of filler actually decreases the fluctuation on doses between caps. Say you have a cap that holds 200mg and you do half anadrol and half filler. If your overall powder is off by 10mg, then your anadrol is off by 2.5mg. And if its 1mg of adex and 199mg of filler and your off by 10mg then your really only misdosing by .01mg which is very small, even for adex.
However, if the active compound is a course powder, I will run it thru a fine screen to decrease the size and allow it to disperse in the filler better...

And I don't do any of capping or suspensions anymore. I send powders to a friend who will tab 1000 doses for 150 bucks. Easy fix lol

But if your off by say 2 or 3 mg per calsule out of say 100 capsules then you may have some 50mg anadrol at like 49mg, 50mg, 51mg. Now, let's say your off by a few mg here or there on a substance in which it's capped at .5mg or let's say 1mg per capsule. Your gonna have some capsules that won't have any active ingredient at all and maybe some that have 2mg and your taking twice the desired amount. Now let's say you've dosed 3 dsys in a row where your not getting any active ingredient vs 3 days in a row where your desired amount of the anadrol was 50mg a day and yiu got 52mg a day. With the anadrol you won't notice that at all. With the adex it is not a tolerable affect.

 

[OmegaSuprime]

I dont use a colorant, but not a bad idea.

What i mean is this. I weigh out my active ingredient and add to mixing bowl. I then weigh out my filler and put to the side. I will then have 5 grams of active ingredient vs approximately 60 grams of filler. I'll pour an equal amount of filler to the amount of active ingredient (so if you have 5 grams of active ingredient i will eyeball approximately 5 grams of filler and pour on top). I'll then take a thin card (something like a credit card but thinner) and scoop under the powders in the bowl and kind of just flip it on top of it's self. Kind of like you would food in a pan with a spatula. But as i flip it over i spin the bowl little spins as i flip over and over again. Maybe like 8 times and then i add another equal amount, which is now about 10 grams of filler since you have 10 grams in the bowl, and repeat the flipping and spinning 8 times and do this process until the filler has all been applied and mixed. That's what the person in the video is doing accept instead of mixing he's motar and pestling. I think my way is better. I only mortar and pestle when there are clumps in the powder.

Correct friend, we do the same thing here in the manipulation pharmacy to which I work, and the simple and efficient method ...

OBS: work in an ordinary pharmacy we do not produce anabol kkk

 

[notanothersnake]

But if your off by say 2 or 3 mg per calsule out of say 100 capsules then you may have some 50mg anadrol at like 49mg, 50mg, 51mg. Now, let's say your off by a few mg here or there on a substance in which it's capped at .5mg or let's say 1mg per capsule. Your gonna have some capsules that won't have any active ingredient at all and maybe some that have 2mg and your taking twice the desired amount. Now let's say you've dosed 3 dsys in a row where your not getting any active ingredient vs 3 days in a row where your desired amount of the anadrol was 50mg a day and yiu got 52mg a day. With the anadrol you won't notice that at all. With the adex it is not a tolerable affect.

Mixing properly is the key. The only way your going to have caps with zero compound is poor mixing. When I mix binder and compound, I do a minimum of 50 caps at a time. And mix about 5X longer that I think I should

 

[XKawN]

Mixing properly is the key. The only way your going to have caps with zero compound is poor mixing. When I mix binder and compound, I do a minimum of 50 caps at a time. And mix about 5X longer that I think I should

Even the pharmaceutical companies agree they're not 100% accurate. My system came from a pharmaceutical video.

 

[crau85]

I made both caps and suspension yesterday. The caps were time consuming, and I had about 10% of my filler that fell through the machine after I was done.

I used this machine -
I used a mortar and pestle for mixing, while this did a good job I think I will try the credit card folding technique @XKawN described.

I weighed a handful of caps after I was done and they were pretty close to evenly filled within .03. When initially filling my first capsule to get a weight on the filler I packed it in as much as I could as this machine comes with a tamper. It was very difficult trying to get the last 25% of powder into the caps.. tamp, fill, tamp, fill, tamp, fill, tamp, fill. I think next time I will use 10% less powder and see if I get less waste. I did OD the active ingrediant by 10% though so we should be close to the desired mg/cap.

I suspended 60ml of Cialis in 50/50 oraplus/water. It was a breeze... The Cialis mixes pretty good, but the powder clumps a little so you get larger chunks floating around. It seems to clump when it gets wet as the powder was very fine that I mixed, but it does the job.