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[readalot]

No KYC for the BTC either, there are many ways to go around, swapping things and whatnot. There is a ton of Information here on Meso with so many ways

You misunderstood. I said "kyc", not "no kyc".

I was congratulating you. Not knocking you.

 

[bigboy420]

You misunderstood. I said "kyc", not "no kyc".

I was congratulating you. Not knocking you.

But you can buy kyc then trade for monero to your wallet. It cant be traced. Monero can be used as a mixer aswell

 

[readalot]

https://kycnot.me/?t=exchange&q=&fiat=on

 

[Nidus]

You misunderstood. I said "kyc", not "no kyc".

I was congratulating you. Not knocking you.

Apologies, was not clear to me then.

I mean using the same provider to buy BTC and just to swap to XMR defeats the whole purpose behind everything. You are right with that.

 

[bigboy420]

I mean using the same provider to buy BTC and just to swap to XMR defeats the whole purpose behind everything.

You need your own personal monero wallet.

 

[mieeek]

They will pop up there sooner or later, according to a TG Group from another source called Akra 2 people have been raided last week where police directly affiliated those with a purchase from Cat 2-3 years ago.

And just because you get a letter, it gives you no security yet, a police raid can still happen anytime despite a letter from the court directly.

Can only recommend everyone to clean things up, keep nothing at home!

2-3 years ago? How is that possible unless Liska kept all customer data stored which makes no sense.

If they got linked to an old order using same payment method/address, couldnt that still require them having proof of you ordering something instead of just a crypto transaction shown on blockchain. Surely they can't prove anything with you just sending crypto with no reference to an order/items being paid with that random transaction

Just feels very odd to them be able to have details from that far back

 

[FastBun]

Seems like the cat was obsessed with opsec… but his opsec was a joke… probably seized his servers too… didnt even encrypt all this info???

 

[Nidus]

2-3 years ago? How is that possible unless Liska kept all customer data stored which makes no sense.

If they got linked to an old order using same payment method/address, couldnt that still require them having proof of you ordering something instead of just a crypto transaction shown on blockchain. Surely they can't prove anything with you just sending crypto with no reference to an order/items being paid with that random transaction

Just feels very odd to them be able to have details from that far back

You wanna know the fun part of all this? They have even the exact times, down to a minute written down in all the paperwork i've got. Clearly showing that the shipping service (whenever it was DHL, UPS etc) is also working together with them.

 

[little tokyo]

kept all customer data stored which makes no sense.

every single source keeps customers information whether you want to believe it or not.

If I was a source I’d keep my customers information as well. At least the adresses. Better to know how many times you sent illegal drugs to a certain area and or address then just sending it out with no regards to if you have history with said address.

They will say they don’t keep customer information but that is simply not the case. That is to just ease your mind

As to whether this is the exact reason with the raid you are talking about linked to a purchase 2-3 years ago with this source, I have no idea.

I’m just speaking in general.

 

[FastBun]

every single source keeps customers information whether you want to believe it or not.

If I was a source I’d keep my customers information as well. At least the adresses. Better to know how many times you sent illegal drugs to a certain area and or address then just sending it out with no regards to if you have history with said address.

They will say they don’t keep customer information but that is simply not the case. That is to just ease your mind

As to whether this is the exact reason with the raid you are talking about linked to a purchase 2-3 years ago with this source, I have no idea.

I’m just speaking in general.

They are stupid… that’s why… if proper measures are being taken … they don’t need to save info… there been vendors that have sourced for over a decade… I’m sure some have had LE order from them… impossible 4 em to keep track… saving customer data only leaves a trail… the reason why they know amounts of money is because the idiots never change wallets… n they never change shipping provider accounts…

 

[little tokyo]

… if proper measures are being taken … they don’t need to save info…

You have no idea what you are talking about.


Deleting all customer information is worse for your ospec then keeping it all for your own records ( as a source)

Please explain what you mean by this “ if proper measures are being taken… they don’t need to save info..”

 

[Mediawelt]

You also don't order from providers in Germany. Here it is only a matter of time before customs catches them. So far, every shop has been hit.
Just my opinion.

 

[little tokyo]

@FastBun

You have the faintest idea of what a sources’ real ospec actually is.

How you going to know which orders were delivered successfully the first time which ones got lost / seized / not delivered, Which ones ended up taking way too long to be delivered, etc.

You going to ship to the same address that just posted a picture of your pack on the internet with shipping information in his TD pic like a rookie ?

You going to ship out a pack to the same address that got seized two months ago ?

You going to ship out another pack to that sketchy address you got a bad feeling from two years ago that randomly just ordered recently again , but this time with thousands of dollars worth ?

You going to ship to that annoying customer who just reverse scammed you on meso ? If he reversed scammed you once, what’s he going to do the next time ?

You going to ship out multiple packs to different addresses but in the same town on the same day ?

You wouldn’t even know how to cover your shipping tracks since you delete all customers information

ANOTHA NOOB IN ORANGE

 

[FastBun]

@FastBun

You have the faintest idea of what a sources’ real ospec actually is.

How you going to know which orders were delivered successfully the first time which ones got lost / seized / not delivered, Which ones ended up taking way too long to be delivered, etc.

You going to ship to the same address that just posted a picture of your pack on the internet with shipping information in his TD pic like a rookie ?

You going to ship out a pack to the same address that got seized two months ago ?

You going to ship out another pack to that sketchy address you got a bad feeling from two years ago that randomly just ordered recently again , but this time with thousands of dollars worth ?

You going to ship to that annoying customer who just reverse scammed you on meso ? If he reversed scammed you once, what’s he going to do the next time ?

You going to ship out multiple packs to different addresses but in the same town on the same day ?

You wouldn’t even know how to cover your shipping tracks since you delete all customers information

ANOTHA NOOB IN ORANGE

lol your ideology is cute… if you don’t know what you are talking about… which u clearly don’t… just stay quiet..

 

[Sampei]

No kyc to Monero is only for countries like Germany or Scandinavian etc.

Here where I live NOT ONCE a customer has been prosecuted for what he bought. Why trying to being anonymous when no one care of the end user.

If you are selling on the other hand...

 

[mieeek]

every single source keeps customers information whether you want to believe it or not.

If I was a source I’d keep my customers information as well. At least the adresses. Better to know how many times you sent illegal drugs to a certain area and or address then just sending it out with no regards to if you have history with said address.

They will say they don’t keep customer information but that is simply not the case. That is to just ease your mind

As to whether this is the exact reason with the raid you are talking about linked to a purchase 2-3 years ago with this source, I have no idea.

I’m just speaking in general.

I believe in you and agree with what said fully

But isn't it also a big risk for the vendor and his clients to keep exact customer information that can be directly linked to the order

You wanna know the fun part of all this? They have even the exact times, down to a minute written down in all the paperwork i've got. Clearly showing that the shipping service (whenever it was DHL, UPS etc) is also working together with them.

How far back, if you wanna share, your orders go back that you got paper on?

I wonder if they go after only German customers

 

[B Ware]

@FastBun

You have the faintest idea of what a sources’ real ospec actually is.

How you going to know which orders were delivered successfully the first time which ones got lost / seized / not delivered, Which ones ended up taking way too long to be delivered, etc.

You going to ship to the same address that just posted a picture of your pack on the internet with shipping information in his TD pic like a rookie ?

You going to ship out a pack to the same address that got seized two months ago ?

You going to ship out another pack to that sketchy address you got a bad feeling from two years ago that randomly just ordered recently again , but this time with thousands of dollars worth ?

You going to ship to that annoying customer who just reverse scammed you on meso ? If he reversed scammed you once, what’s he going to do the next time ?

You going to ship out multiple packs to different addresses but in the same town on the same day ?

You wouldn’t even know how to cover your shipping tracks since you delete all customers information

ANOTHA NOOB IN ORANGE

This is all a bunch of noise and nonsense and doesn’t support harm reduction. All sources know better than to come to Meso or any similar forum and state they store customer’s info. We’d run them off and no one but the newer thirsty Reddit crowd would order from them.

A vendor should delete previous orders a month or so after the initial email. If there is an issue down the line then the customer should reply to the email on their end.

If there is an annoying, reverse scam guy, hot address, etc that they care to remember and not do business with again then they should make a note or save that particular guys info.

Who gives a shit if multiple packs are being shipped to the same area?

Customer security comes first! I've made stealth shipping a priority and will continually invest lots of research, time and money into improving this aspect. You cannot enter any data into the website and I don't store your information or keep your mails post delivery. For OPSEC I use dedicated machines with Tails and trash & replace them entirely regularly, and get consultation from people specialized in cybersec/opsec. Since offline is potentially a greater risk than online, I've pretty much cut myself off from society entirely.

In his intro he stated the above. It really makes no sense to keep years worth of customer’s information and orders. To do so is worse than snitching as now LE has EVERYTHING.

I feel for you guys/gals affected by this negligence and am sorry your life is now turned upside down because a source didn’t do the simple task of deleting your info like they said they would in their intro.

 

[bigboy420]

Why trying to being anonymous when no one care of the end user.

Thats just being naive... you are buying illegal drugs.

Germany or Scandinavian etc.

What is etc?
And why say germany? Becouse all this is happening? Or did you know before?

When a new country does the same you will just add it in your next statement?

 

[Sampei]

Thats just being naive... you are buying illegal drugs.
What is etc?
And why say germany? Becouse all this is happening? Or did you know before?

When a new country does the same you will just add it in your next statement?

Because Germany in the past I have heard from ppl that has been known to go look for customers of illegal trades. Scandinavian countries will ban you from any gym if they find you are using roids lol they probably will prosecute you as well if they find you in possess of it or proof that you have ordered it (I'm guessing here I'm not from there)

I don't know the legislation of other countries I know mine well and UK because we all know in UK is legal to possess roids.

In my country if you are buying ONLY and you ain't buying massive quantities (why would you, if you ain't selling?) you will not get prosecuted or whatever for it.

I mean here even when you are caught selling the sentences are super mild.

So yeah as an end user if you live in a relaxed country I don't see the reason in trying to stay anonymous.
Especially if the sources you are using are in China. The.possibility they will arrest a Chinese source and prosecute their customers is 0%.

I'm not being naive at all, I'm being practical.and realistic.

 

[iris]

Scandinavian countries will ban you from any gym if they find you are using roids lol they probably will prosecute you as well if they find you in possess of it or proof that you have ordered it (I'm guessing here I'm no

@dinfar1337
You are from Scandinavia, right?

Is this so?