Clavicular doing a good job keeping BP tards off meso

[unid888]

Oddly enough, you will eventually realize you only attract low self esteem women. No woman of character and value, a woman who sees her own value and worth, will settle for a transactional relationship.

Every relationship is transactional by design. I don't know what you're talking about. A woman who sees her own value is going to be even more transactional than usual.

You're clearly refering to a time that has passed already, the time before the internet and social circles/dating that was confined to a few towns around the place you're born.

Are you talking about the thots on Instagram? Worth a twirl in the bed and then on to the next, for both of you. How sad.

The content popularity and engagement, not any specific accounts. Although I don't have any problem with thots.

 

[thejumpingsheep]

Well, that confirmed my suspicion - you don't understand bang for buck, and you still fail to acknowledge the options and consistency aspect.

You argue that the sky is not blue because you saw it glow red one morning. That's your funny fat guy with a hot chick analogy.

Some women aren't shallow, but guess what - biologically they're still women, basic rules of attraction still work the same, a good-looking guy will have the upper hand every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Bro, ill try to be kind, but you sound like you lost your virginity yesterday. You have practically zero clue how an average women thinks. Get back to us once you had a meaningful relationship that lasts longer than a tampon.

Hint, women will do a quick look filter, this is true, but their bar is all over the place. There is zero consistency between them. Any man Min/Maxing looks for the sake of attraction is wasting their time. Just be clean, get smart asap, and make money.

For instance the dude you have in that pic; My wife would find him too feminine/gay. My sister would think nothing of him until he opened his mouth and then good luck because she is a high achiever. My 23yo sister-in-law loves the hispanic look, piercings and tatooes BUT is repulsed by 20 something men.

Dont get me wrong, im sure he attracts a percent of women but the point is, the bar is so wide, you wont know where min starts and when max ends.

Looksmaxxing is made fun of around here because older guys know its an exersice in futility. You are wasting your time. Time better spent reading a book. Making money. Learning to be a decent human being. There is nothing wrong with being fit but ask women what they think of a guy who takes it too far... do you think they want a man who does as much as they do? Hint: no. Ask around. My wife put it in a funny way. "To a women, this is like dating another woman."

 

[PrinceofDarkness]

This thread is looksmaxxing related. The term itself is about the maximising of looks.

If you want to be a pretty boy, a beautiful boy, an attractive boy. Go ahead.

It will probably go over well with preteen and immature women. But I'm not interested.

I have not got one solitary compliment from a woman about my muscles. So that fact you somehow equate steroid abuse with wanting to appease women is ridiculous.

Getting big muscles mainly attracts gay dudes and old horny women.

Looksmaxxing and this Blackpill community has to be the most regressive and self absorbed community on the planet. As a man I couldn't care less about having a pretty face if my chest was as undeveloped as a 12 year old boy.

It's so senseless to me. Anyway I wish you good luck on your journey of somehow controlling women with your looks.

Bro I get it the looksmaxxers are toxic and majority of the bp douches are racist af too. The forums praise these morons because they think its the epitome of beauty and anything outside of their definition is stupid. Its until these fuckers made it to tiktok that normies seen how weird they look and are. Then called them out on it. These same racist cunts ended up playing boy who crys wolf and then either double down or change moods and play victim

However improving looks through their means is just another form of knowledge to improve in a certain parameter in life. That's all I took away from those forums rather than hating on certain races because they didn't meet the eurocentric standard which bp incels go by.

 

[Waclive]

Yikes. I feel dumber for having spent a part of my Saturday evening reading this. But also found it hilarious. And sad.

I have a feeling the people here riding on the looksmaxxing as an easy way through life will end up bitter lonely gorgeous people with personalities like this.

 

[unid888]

Bro, ill try to be kind, but you sound like you lost your virginity yesterday. You have practically zero clue how an average women thinks. Get back to us once you had a meaningful relationship that lasts longer than a tampon.

Only a few guys in this thread actually do know how an AVERAGE woman thinks, most of the commenters seem to be in long-term relatioship for 10years, completely oblivious about the dating app era realities. I've had a long one which ended 1.5y ago, and I'm not looking to get into another soon.

There is zero consistency between them. Any man Min/Maxing looks for the sake of attraction is wasting their time. Just be clean, get smart asap, and make money

The guy literally posted 2 studies which clearly show consistency that they've found.

For instance the dude you have in that pic; My wife would find him too feminine/gay. My sister would think nothing of him until he opened his mouth and then good luck because she is a high achiever. My 23yo sister-in-law loves the hispanic look, piercings and tatooes BUT is repulsed by 20 something men.

Not my pic but I can tell you that you never ask a fish how to fish.

Give them a choice of a funny fat guy some of you seem to love, put him against the hispanic guy and 95%+ of the time the hispanic is going to win.

Dont get me wrong, im sure he attracts a percent of women but the point is, the bar is so wide, you wont know where min starts and when max ends.

Sure, that's why, apart from extremes of looksmaxxing, most guys are referring to a moderate approach which improves your looks and every other aspect of your life.

It's the same basic stuff 90% of meso is doing already with the "gay" approach to facial features. That way, you're not min-maxing with meth but rather staying close to the high end of the range, the top 20% most attractive.

Looksmaxxing is made fun of around here because older guys know its an exersice in futility. You are wasting your time. Time better spent reading a book.

Counterpoint is that it doesn't take much time for the impressive benefits that it brings. While every other aspect mentioned, like social skills, career, hobbies are already part of your whole life, and looksmaxxing is only going to supercharge those other aspects.

There is nothing wrong with being fit but ask women what they think of a guy who takes it too far...

The main issue is that they'll tell you what they expect from a guy apart from looks because the looks aspect is already in their mind as a default state, they think what they'd want the attractive guy to do, not what they want from a fat funny guy.

do you think they want a man who does as much as they do? Hint: no. Ask around. My wife put it in a funny way. "To a women, this is like dating another woman."

The sad reality is that they say this but do the opposite. I'd love everyone to have the same success as top20% of men are having, but it will never be a reality.

Overall, I'm convinced that completely disregarding these simple, observable and clearly obvious points is some kind of coping mechanism or ignorance due to already being above average, I really don't know how anything else would be possible.

 

[thejumpingsheep]

Only a few guys in this thread actually do know how an AVERAGE woman thinks, most of the commenters seem to be in long-term relatioship for 10years, completely oblivious about the dating app era realities. I've had a long one which ended 1.5y ago, and I'm not looking to get into another soon.

The guy literally posted 2 studies which clearly show consistency that they've found.

Not my pic but I can tell you that you never ask a fish how to fish.

Give them a choice of a funny fat guy some of you seem to love, put him against the hispanic guy and 95%+ of the time the hispanic is going to win.

Sure, that's why, apart from extremes of looksmaxxing, most guys are referring to a moderate approach which improves your looks and every other aspect of your life.

It's the same basic stuff 90% of meso is doing already with the "gay" approach to facial features. That way, you're not min-maxing with meth but rather staying close to the high end of the range, the top 20% most attractive.

Counterpoint is that it doesn't take much time for the impressive benefits that it brings. While every other aspect mentioned, like social skills, career, hobbies are already part of your whole life, and looksmaxxing is only going to supercharge those other aspects.

The main issue is that they'll tell you what they expect from a guy apart from looks because the looks aspect is already in their mind as a default state, they think what they'd want the attractive guy to do, not what they want from a fat funny guy.

The sad reality is that they say this but do the opposite. I'd love everyone to have the same success as top20% of men are having, but it will never be a reality.

Overall, I'm convinced that completely disregarding these simple, observable and clearly obvious points is some kind of coping mechanism or ignorance due to already being above average, I really don't know how anything else would be possible.

And you can find other studies that show the polar opposite of those that you value. These are not scientific studies and never will be.

As for average women... come on man. Do you think we all got married before we dated? Also you really believe you know more women than a married man? Did you want to think that through again? Its not even close and to make matters worse, who do you think women are more likely to be honest with? Married men or single men? Think about the circle we keep because this is a rhetorical question. We know far more "average" than you do by a long mile.

Young man, you are not a fish nor can you teach anything about fishing. You are the tampon. You will to be used and discarded the same way you seem to be using women on your dating app. None of this is new. Its been happening long before we had apps. Its just another venue. How many men do you suppose those women have on their lists? LoL. Again... tampon.

As for looksmaxxing, have you seen a looksmaxxing forum? Its not moderate bud. Its extreme and logic is non-existant probably because its mostly kids and very young adults. Most of those folks dont even have a fully functional brain yet... so what do you expect? Its like lord of the flies.

 

[unid888]

And you can find other studies that show the polar opposite of those that you value. These are not scientific studies and never will be.

never will be because you don't like the idea? Studies will have to be done, it's one of the biggest issues in the western world right now. It's directly tied to fertility rates.

Also you really believe you know more women than a married man? who do you think women are more likely to be honest with? We know far more "average" than you do by a long mile.

Opinions on an individual level don't matter, they're not truthful or very useful. What matters is what they do, how they act, and what the population level data and long-term observations reveal, and they're very consistent all the time.

You will to be used and discarded the same way you seem to be using women on your dating app. None of this is new. Its been happening long before we had apps. Its just another venue. How many men do you suppose those women have on their lists? LoL. Again... tampon.

If you think that a casual relationship is somehow using anyone, you just have a weird idea of anything other than marriage. It's just a value exchange, both sides get something out of it, doesn't have to last forever.

As for looksmaxxing, have you seen a looksmaxxing forum? Its not moderate bud. Its extreme and logic is non-existant probably because its mostly kids and very young adults.

Dedicated looksmaxxing only forum only once, it's weird, but it largely doesn't represent whatever is posted on social media, which is the one and only reason this thing has found its way to the mainstream and forums. It's much more moderate and realistic on social media.

I'd definitely consider meso a looksmaxxing forum without the autism aspect in a sense, it's much closer to what social media portrays and enhancement plays a large part in all of this most of the time.

 

[bananafeet]

never will be because you don't like the idea? Studies will have to be done, it's one of the biggest issues in the western world right now. It's directly tied to fertility rates.

Opinions on an individual level don't matter, they're not truthful or very useful. What matters is what they do, how they act, and what the population level data and long-term observations reveal, and they're very consistent all the time.

If you think that a casual relationship is somehow using anyone, you just have a weird idea of anything other than marriage. It's just a value exchange, both sides get something out of it, doesn't have to last forever.

Dedicated looksmaxxing only forum only once, it's weird, but it largely doesn't represent whatever is posted on social media, which is the one and only reason this thing has found its way to the mainstream and forums. It's much more moderate and realistic on social media.

I'd definitely consider meso a looksmaxxing forum without the autism aspect in a sense, it's much closer to what social media portrays and enhancement plays a large part in all of this most of the time.

Damn I guess it's like being gay hey? If you resist it you're even gayer!

There isn't anyone here glazing a 10/10 165lbs looksmaxxer or complaining about how "it's so over".

The evidence against your point of view is everywhere in front of your eyes but you refuse to admit it.

Maybe because you're young and arguing against a bunch of "uncs". When you hit my age of nearly 40 sex is as casual as a cup of tea.

I'm submerged in much bigger problems than the size of my maxilla or how tall I am.

 

[bananafeet]

Bro I get it the looksmaxxers are toxic and majority of the bp douches are racist af too. The forums praise these morons because they think its the epitome of beauty and anything outside of their definition is stupid. Its until these fuckers made it to tiktok that normies seen how weird they look and are. Then called them out on it. These same racist cunts ended up playing boy who crys wolf and then either double down or change moods and play victim

However improving looks through their means is just another form of knowledge to improve in a certain parameter in life. That's all I took away from those forums rather than hating on certain races because they didn't meet the eurocentric standard which bp incels go by.

The entire theory is so ridiculous it's not funny.

For example before K-pop the cultural stigma around Koreans was that they were not attractive. Post K-pop there are all these girls travelling to Korea to live out their fantasies.

If that doesn't prove that standards are completely influenced by the prevailing culture I don't know what will.

Also you notice that these guys are very feminine looking. Not "chads". In fact a lot of Asians find square jaws unattractive which is why they often go with white guys who look 'soft' by our standards.

To equate the Blackpill with science or any coherent philosophy is a stretch.

 

[ZaddyDaddy]

As a homo (mostly)... I'm just gonna jump in here and share some extra perspective. Females tell us everything about you and they show us your dick pics. We get some really good insight into women. They talk about what gets them worked up. And what doesn't.

Below the late 20s, girls just simply aren't that horny. Their "attraction" to guy is largely based on whatever they've defined as their "ideal" male partner. They may or may not sleep around, but sex is generally more of a way to control the male. Perhaps they're more interested in a handsome face, but it's not because you make their pussy wet. It's just a superficial thing unless they have daddy issues.

But when they get into their upper 20s, they suddenly get horny AF. Guys who look like good breeding stock are what make them wet. Young and healthy, or older and muscular. Your handsome face only matters when they look down and see in between their legs.

In my experience, the only girls who are into guys who do "looksmaxxing" are generally closeted lesbians. Congratulations -- you're a stepping stone to real pussy.

 

[Waclive]

As a homo (mostly)... I'm just gonna jump in here and share some extra perspective. Females tell us everything about you and they show us your dick pics. We get some really good insight into women. They talk about what gets them worked up. And what doesn't.

Below the late 20s, girls just simply aren't that horny. Their "attraction" to guy is largely based on whatever they've defined as their "ideal" male partner. They may or may not sleep around, but sex is generally more of a way to control the male. Perhaps they're more interested in a handsome face, but it's not because you make their pussy wet. It's just a superficial thing unless they have daddy issues.

But when they get into their upper 20s, they suddenly get horny AF. Guys who look like good breeding stock are what make them wet. Young and healthy, or older and muscular. Your handsome face only matters when they look down and see in between their legs.

In my experience, the only girls who are into guys who do "looksmaxxing" are generally closeted lesbians. Congratulations -- you're a stepping stone to real pussy.

Bros helping bros!

 

[ZaddyDaddy]

Bros helping bros!

We also give them advice on how to give great head. We basically do the Lord's work.

 

[Waclive]

We also give them advice on how to give great head. We basically do the Lord's work.

 

[TheBeast1]

Man I was active in the pua community back in the day. Sosauve, rooshforum

Shit was fun back when it was innocent but the red/blue/black pill stuff took over around 2015 and with the 2016 election the Overton window shifted hard.

The guys who were into that scene back in the day have all grown up and moved onto other things.

It seems the zoomers have picked it up and being the autismo spergs they are have taken what millennials made and turned it into an even crazier caricature of what it used to be.

This is really the consequence of a whole gen of zoomers being perpetually online stuck with smartphones and social media. It's a good thing that in Texas they outright banned smartphones in schools.

 

[HeatherSwanson]

I had to look this up:

"It signifies the belief that one's situation, especially regarding romantic and sexual success, is permanently hopeless due to unchangeable factors like genetics or an irredeemably corrupt social system. "

That is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard.

We live in the greatest age in human history for modification of the body via science.

You can manipulate your looks with hormones and surgery, almost regardless of how bad your genetics are with enough steroids and plastic surgery you can at least be above average.

This is that stuff that Elliot Rodger from CA was consuming prior to driving around and shooting up those university kids.

If you want to dip your toe into literal insanity google that mofo and watch his manifesto. Id never seen (or have seen since) such weird body language and forced speech. Took me a minute or two to figure out what was going on. He's on the spectrum or was socially delayed...

Prior to the internet he'd have been beating with a bible and forced into the societal mold. Chat rooms and online communities gave the neural divergents like him a place to bounce (fringy cringy) ideas around.

Take me back to the day when a simple basement exercysm was that was needed to take the gay away. It'll never happen, but alas a lady can dream...

 

[HeatherSwanson]

Man I was active in the pua community back in the day. Sosauve, rooshforum

Shit was fun back when it was innocent but the red/blue/black pill stuff took over around 2015 and with the 2016 election the Overton window shifted hard.

The guys who were into that scene back in the day have all grown up and moved onto other things.

It seems the zoomers have picked it up and being the autismo spergs they are have taken what millennials made and turned it into an even crazier caricature of what it used to be.

This is really the consequence of a whole gen of zoomers being perpetually online stuck with smartphones and social media. It's a good thing that in Texas they outright banned smartphones in schools.

Rollo told me the first rule of the RP was to never talk about the RP... And the second rule of the RP is to never talk about the RP... lol.

Agree on all points on your comment.

The book of Pook circa 2007? Changed my life followed by RM volume 1. A praxiology as such has never existed prior to the SS essays being assembled. I remember putting down those books being like 20 and 8% BF and lol'ing to myself like a maniac.

What a time to be alive.

 

[HeatherSwanson]

As a homo (mostly)... I'm just gonna jump in here and share some extra perspective. Females tell us everything about you and they show us your dick pics. We get some really good insight into women. They talk about what gets them worked up. And what doesn't.

Below the late 20s, girls just simply aren't that horny. Their "attraction" to guy is largely based on whatever they've defined as their "ideal" male partner. They may or may not sleep around, but sex is generally more of a way to control the male. Perhaps they're more interested in a handsome face, but it's not because you make their pussy wet. It's just a superficial thing unless they have daddy issues.

But when they get into their upper 20s, they suddenly get horny AF. Guys who look like good breeding stock are what make them wet. Young and healthy, or older and muscular. Your handsome face only matters when they look down and see in between their legs.

In my experience, the only girls who are into guys who do "looksmaxxing" are generally closeted lesbians. Congratulations -- you're a stepping stone to real pussy.

Can we please be friends?
I want the secrets