Clomid nolva sides?

[Dave M]

Hello, I finished my second cycle on 5 february. The first one was test e.
This one i run 300mg test cyp a week for 10 weeks.
During the 2 weeks prior to pct I run anavar at 50mg a day to hold gains asap and I felt great: great pump strength libido (strange). I was thinking not to run pct!
But as planned I started pct on 19 february:
50mg clomid and 20mg nolva a day for 4 weeks as after first cycle but I add 4iu of hgh a day to improve recovery.
I m quite on the third week of pct and I feel less strength in the gym, sometimes tachycardia, delayed orgasms, mood swings.. a different experience from the first cycle with same pct! Libido is normal not as high as on cycle but is ok. Serms sides?
So is better for me to stop pct or maybe reduce serms dose or is all normal? I was thinking maybe I ve just recovered enough (impossible I think).

 

[Worf]

Drop clomid to 25mg. Any estro sides?

 

[Dave M]

I feel only the sides I described up. I hate going off cycle because this fluctuations..I d like to blast and cruise but I am a bit scared to manage it bad or have a bad recovery...

 

[janoshik]

Honestly, the more I read about this kind of stuff the more inclined I am to advise people to avoid tamoxifen and clomiphene.

 

[bambam333]

Honestly, the more I read about this kind of stuff the more inclined I am to advise people to avoid tamoxifen and clomiphene.

What would be your alternate just Hcg?

 

[janoshik]

What would be your alternate just Hcg?

That's what I did when I went off for good.

Switched to short esters, did 4 weeks HCG 250 ius EOD, last week only HCG. Controlled E2 by exemestane when needed.

Objective: 6 weeks after that my bloodwork was satisfactory.

Subjective: felt funny for a few days, quickly went away and feeling great, libido is great as well

 

[LeoTC]

So you started pinning HGH, which is suppressive, to aid your PCT.

The point of which is to recover from the steroids that've been suppressing your natural hormones...

What?

 

[janoshik]

So you started pinning HGH, which is suppressive, to aid your PCT.

The point of which is to recover from the steroids that've been suppressing your natural hormones...

What?

Yeah, pretty much

 

[Dave M]

Guys the only stuff I miss is hcg! I have everything.. Letro caber ecc.. But not this one!
Hgh suppressive? Really? And why?

 

[janoshik]

Guys the only stuff I miss is hcg! I have everything.. Letro caber ecc.. But not this one!
Hgh suppressive? Really? And why?

He meant HCG.

Letro and caber for PCT seem like a bad idea.

Less is sometimes more. You ran a light cycle. If I were you I'd drop all the drugs, just keep estrogen control at hand in case you feel it's getting out of control.

 

[Dave M]

Thank Jano so u r telling me to stop nolva and clomid? With so light cycles is better not to run pct then?

 

[janoshik]

Thank Jano so u r telling me to stop nolva and clomid? With so light cycles is better not to run pct then?

You have already ran 3 weeks of SERMs, which are obviously affecting you in a negative way, so in my opinion it's better to stop using those and it's not like you didn't do any PCT at all.

Also, I am a proponent of blast and cruise (when one plans multiple cycles).

Compared to SERMS physiological dose of testosterone is walk in a park, healthwise.

 

[Dave M]

Ok thank u very much man.. I will ask u for a blast and cruise plan hint then..

 

[Dr JIM]

Ok thank u very much man.. I will ask u for a blast and cruise plan hint then..

As is usually the case w threads of this nature, in which vague symptoms predominate, objective data is notably absent.

And that’s why a cause and effect relationship is impossible to substantiate, and opinions range from A to Z.

To that end I’d suggest you obtain LABS
before advancing any further into the world of PEDs.

I’d also suggest the use of PHARMACEUTICAL ancillaries exclusively.

That being said I question the benefit of
SERMS at reasonable TT dosages, esp when followed by a oral AAS such as VAR. And it should follow there’s no reason to use TWO SERMS in this circumstance either.

Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

What was the time interval bt the END of the 1st and the BEGINNING of 2nd cycle?

 

[Iron Frenchie]

As is usually the case w threads of this nature, in which vague symptoms predominate, objective data is notably absent.

And that’s why a cause and effect relationship is impossible to substantiate, and opinions range from A to Z.

To that end I’d suggest you obtain LABS
before advancing any further into the world of PEDs.

I’d also suggest the use of PHARMACEUTICAL ancillaries exclusively.

That being said I question the benefit of
SERMS at reasonable TT dosages, esp when followed by a oral AAS such as VAR. And it should follow there’s no reason to use TWO SERMS in this circumstance either.

Jim

If you had to use only 1 SERM for PCT what would you use?

 

[Dave M]

What was the time interval bt the END of the 1st and the BEGINNING of 2nd cycle?

I waited exactly 3 months and half from the first cycle. In that previous cycle I did bloods before during and after too see what happened to make experience. Thanks for answer and explanation but believe me when u do research on the net can find too much different info and is easy to make mistakes

 

[Dr JIM]

I waited exactly 3 months and half from the first cycle. In that previous cycle I did bloods before during and after.

Then the most reliable answer, assuming the causation is hormonal mefiated, and that’s a big assumption, remains in comparative blood work.

 

[janoshik]

Ok thank u very much man.. I will ask u for a blast and cruise plan hint then..

Please, mind that blast and cruise is a dedication for a long time.

Blast would be whatever you'd like it to be (ie high doses of anabolics, or even something like 300-500 mg testosterone) and cruise would be roughly physiological dose of testosterone. Personally I liked 75 mg testosterone enanthate twice a week.

 

[Dave M]

Please, mind that blast and cruise is a dedication for a long time.

Blast would be whatever you'd like it to be (ie high doses of anabolics, or even something like 300-500 mg testosterone) and cruise would be roughly physiological dose of testosterone. Personally I liked 75 mg testosterone enanthate twice a week.

Yes if I decide to go this route I need a perfect plan gear and bloods..
Anyway I stopped today my pct.. I ll see what happen. Thanks a lot to everyone who spent a minute answering me