Congrats Millard.!

[flenser]

The reason labmax became Louie so quick was bc nobody else was doing testing besides bloods. Some were doing mass specs etc but few and far in between. Now with Millard's new program it will be much much more common which will lead to not as many people labmaxing their stuff.

I never attempted to discredit reagent testing, but I have seen very little in terms of evidence or science from labmax specifically. What little regard I did have for them dissappeared when we had a labmax shill on my other board attempt to beef up their resume.

How many times was a product that you tested with labmax then tested further by other means? Was it the same exact sample you had used for labmax or was it the same batch/source/etc?

For HPLC or MS I believe 8 times total - not counting Astro's China lab, heh. Considerably more failures were confirmed with blood work, though there were quite a few that failed LM and blood work came back reasonable.

I think if regular testing shows a lot of bad gear, LM testing might pick up. If the producers get their acts together and the quality of their products becomes more reliable, I agree LM testing will die out - as it should.

w.r.t. shills, I'm split between appreciating his expertise and cringing at the occasional outrageous claim.

 

[manafest]

Maybe SHill will eventually die out now.. I mean if someone is standing up and backing a ugl that has proven results are they still a shill?? >: )

 

[Docd187123]

For HPLC or MS I believe 8 times total - not counting Astro's China lab, heh. Considerably more failures were confirmed with blood work, though there were quite a few that failed LM and blood work came back reasonable.

I think if regular testing shows a lot of bad gear, LM testing might pick up. If the producers get their acts together and the quality of their products becomes more reliable, I agree LM testing will die out - as it should.

w.r.t. shills, I'm split between appreciating his expertise and cringing at the occasional outrageous claim.

We won't count Astro than ha!

Ok so 8 went on for further testing. How many labmaxes have you don't that have not went on for additional testing?

Also were these 8 samples sent out the same sample as you tested or just from the same batch or something?

I personally think you'll still see a drop in LB simply bc Millard plans on doing a decent amount of testing. Not saying that testing means anything short term but simply put, it means ppl don't spend money on Lb tests (some won't even fund the project), they have a much more reliable testing method, and the testing method tells them much more info. The only benefit of labmax at this point would be the convenience of being able to test your specific gear.

I'm well past the point of cringing

 

[redrum720]

Thank you @Millard Baker for putting forward your vision and ours Hope we keep on contributing and spreading the word
we stand behind you
THANK YOU

On that note meso is a place for reckoning Fuck them other boards

 

[mercury]

, I agree LM testing will die out - as it should.

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reagent testing has been around for a long time as a quick and cheap way to test

cops have drug field test I do not see replacing them with GC/MS installed on each cruiser

it is just cheap field test I do not see it to be replaced or die out

 

[flenser]

We won't count Astro than ha!

Ok so 8 went on for further testing. How many labmaxes have you don't that have not went on for additional testing?

Also were these 8 samples sent out the same sample as you tested or just from the same batch or something?

I personally think you'll still see a drop in LB simply bc Millard plans on doing a decent amount of testing. Not saying that testing means anything short term but simply put, it means ppl don't spend money on Lb tests (some won't even fund the project), they have a much more reliable testing method, and the testing method tells them much more info. The only benefit of labmax at this point would be the convenience of being able to test your specific gear.

I'm well past the point of cringing

I only counted samples that were tested from the same vials I labmaxed.

Ooh, I forgot about Naps, though. I had taken free gear from one of their promotions, and 2 of 4 vials failed LM. I sent Naps samples from those vials and was accused of corrupting the contents, because their testing showed they contained "many unknown compounds". So call it 10 times total : )

I'm a regular user of LM, and almost never post passing tests. There's no point, because a pass means very little IMO. I have been through at least 4 full refill kits in the last 2 years.

You may be right about a drop in usage. It probably won't change my habits, but I'm used to being the odd man out...

 

[Docd187123]

I only counted samples that were tested from the same vials I labmaxed.

Ooh, I forgot about Naps, though. I had taken free gear from one of their promotions, and 2 of 4 vials failed LM. I sent Naps samples from those vials and was accused of corrupting the contents, because their testing showed they contained "many unknown compounds". So call it 10 times total : )

I'm a regular user of LM, and almost never post passing tests. There's no point, because a pass means very little IMO. I have been through at least 4 full refill kits in the last 2 years.

You may be right about a drop in usage. It probably won't change my habits, but I'm used to being the odd man out...

Nothing wrong with being odd man out. I feel like that here in a way surrounded by all head bodybuilders lol.

I'm much more likely to believe in your LB testing though bc you don't take every opportunity to shove it down anyone's throat and you're not using it to discredit more reliable testing methods.

 

[ThE SiCkNeSs]

Still awaiting Dr. Jim's thoughts on these test results, these are much different than every result he has ever had