Controlling estrogen

[Larrybagins]

man i feel you on that nolvadex is absolute poison for my mood too i honestly feel like a depressed zombie whenever i touch it. if your sensitive to AIs because you crushed your levels before your body might just be panicking every time you try to dry out. honestly the best way to handle it without pills is just pinning way more often like daily or every other day to stop those huge estrogen spikes from happening in the first place. or you could try throwing in a little bit of primo or masteron since they act like a mild ai without making you feel like total death. definitely stay away from the heavy stuff if your already feeling like crap!

 

[Andrewthatguy]

Mast or any DHT will add the antagonism to breast tissue and should be a staple in all cycles, DHT reduces how many estrogen receptors exist in breast tissue. Dosing will be individual but with mast for me I don't start lower than 400 and that's always been. It may work at 100 but I don't want to BS you and state that as I don't know for certain...from my experience.


Haha a couple years, I tried PCT and nothing. Eventually I went through a full on fertility clinic. We attempted low trt doses and I still had mutated sperm. Eventually came completely off took an assortment of prescribed meds and got lucky. Important factor I had my first kid before AAS, my second and third taking a break with fertility clinic. My wife and I tried again later doing exactly the same and I'm unable. My last attempt was around 4 years ago. Gave up and happy I have 3 healthy minis dude.

Damn 400 mast I’m not even on that much test at the moment lol. I mean maybe I think it’s closer to 325-350. I get my bloods in a couple weeks to know my e2 for sure but I was getting nipple sensitivity pretty like consistently so I started taking Nolvadex it helped. I’ve also heard that nipple sensitivity is normal on cycle?

 

[BALLISTIC]

Damn 400 mast I’m not even on that much test at the moment lol. I mean maybe I think it’s closer to 325-350. I get my bloods in a couple weeks to know my e2 for sure but I was getting nipple sensitivity pretty like consistently so I started taking Nolvadex it helped. I’ve also heard that nipple sensitivity is normal on cycle?

Everything is about limiting exposure. I personally don't see any issue in keeping Tamox or Ralox on hand for gyno symptoms. If you throw in a variable like Nandrolone your going to also need caber in case. The is a different discussion however.

Yes I generally run heavy, but well planned and thought out cycles. Old school way I was taught people classify AAS into Class 1, 2, and 3. What compounds do what, and how they stimulate growth.

Class 1 gives hard growth signal
Testosterone, Trenbolone, DHT (and DHT based), Primobolan, Masteron, Anavar (mild class 1 even class 3 if you will), DHB, Trestolone, Provi.

Class 2 amplifies that signal
Dianabol, Anadrol, Equipoise, Deca / NPP, Boldenone Cyp.

Class 3 fine tuning perform aesthtics
Winstrol, Turinabol, SARMs (technically not AAS, and I don't play with these personally), Some designer or hybrid compounds Sdrol for instance.

Test always for base to any cycle no substitute. So were clear these are NOT a formal scientific classification, and there are a few edge cases people argue about. Classing is about how they signal growth.

Estrogen is not just a side effect of testosterone. It is a primary anabolic cofactor. Don't be afraid of estrogen absent side effects. This needs to stop in the world of AAS. If your developing gyno that's a side effect deal with it appropriately. Estrogen is so damn important and dead rhetoric keeps people afraid of it.

 

[Milad]

Control Estrogen for what ?
What are you using on gear and what’s your E2 readings ?
Most do not do blood work, and just “ I FEEL…”

pretty much gyno my e2 ultra sesntive came back at 50 and I do have hard lump next to my nipple and of course I try to stay away from ai but it’s hard when it’s bothering

 

[Milad]

None of this made sense hombre.
1. Nolva should be used as a PCT tool, its not an AI and shouldn't be used to estrogen or gyno control really
2. Aromasin is your best bet to control estrogen as far as AIs go, however if you want to control it without one look into primo/EQ
3.Raloxifine should be used for controlling gyno, the superior to tamoxifin(nolva), and again if you want to control gyno without serms look into mast
4. Study your playbook more before messing with your hormones

https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/the_estrogen_handbook/

I actually used ai like
Arimidex I wanted to stay off ai over all I think crashing my estrogen in the past cause me to become more sensitive then I switch to nova and it was worse bro but will do

 

[Andrewthatguy]

Yeah idk alot of old heads stuck in their ways in the forums lmfao, nolva is cheaper also so thats always a stick.

Feel you brotha, I once weigh damn near 380 pounds, I cant tell what anything is on my titties tbh, reccomendation would be to take pictures if you do get lumps and document their size after a week of serm protocol.

I'm just a random man on the internet that knows as much as the next autism filled meathead, but why the F--- are you taking tren before knowing this/having these. Be careful homie

I have stuff I just need more stuff.