Craziest 5 week Recomp Heavy Oral Cycle I’ve Ever Done! 5-6 Orals at Once?

[dougcentral]

Haven’t done any powerlifting since January, but I’ve been easing back into heavy pressing with much lighter weights and building up slowly from here. Did 305 lbs on incline for a set of 5 with 1 RIR today. Nothing impressive but want to make sure I don’t aggravate my left pec cause I had a minor injury back in the winter. My best on incline was 440 for a double, so working my way back up. I’ve been doing very light weight with very high reps (15-60) with very slow eccentrics for months on end now. I’m excited to get back to deadlifting as well. Pulled 700 lbs last summer Beltless in competition and looking to hit 750 within the next year. Doing very heavy banded back extensions with very slow eccentrics and heavy sets of 5 stiff legged deadlifts with very slow eccentrics is what got me to 700. I did 505 lbs for 5 reps with the stiff legged slow eccentric and 2 months later pulled 700 without a belt conventional. It translates like crazy.

 

[RockyP]

Yes, for sure. I met two athletes who said the same thing.

After a year of Anadrol + Winstrol, his blood counts were good. Too bad that after an MRI, he had a liver tumor the size of a lemon. Be careful, kid.

If you play, you pay in the end.

Big Paul over at AB likes to reference a powerlifter he knew who had a love affair with A-Bombs and took them very regularly. Guy died while benching. Perhaps it was how he wanted to go idk...

 

[dougcentral]

Big Paul over at AB likes to reference a powerlifter he knew who had a love affair with A-Bombs and took them very regularly. Guy died while benching. Perhaps it was how he wanted to go idk...

Yikes. btw love Paul at anabolic bodybuilding. Yah us Powerlifters are known for pushing orals more than bodybuilders. The only time I see BB’s push orals is pre contest.

 

[RockyP]

Yikes. btw love Paul at anabolic bodybuilding. Yah us Powerlifters are known for pushing orals more than bodybuilders. The only time I see BB’s push orals is pre contest.

For good reason, the rapid onset / oral bioavailability from the orals leads to crazy strength gains. But for anyone not competing (in either sport) i think orals have a shit risk / reward. Paul doesn't use orals, neither does Roman Fritz and he competes at a high level in BBing. That said, some of these guys who swear off orals will run injectable versions of the orals which as far as I know are pretty much just as harsh on the liver and lipids. Orals are just so goddam tempting, even just a little anavar preworkout. But for me it's a no-go, but I am jealous.

 

[dougcentral]

For good reason, the rapid onset / oral bioavailability from the orals leads to crazy strength gains. But for anyone not competing (in either sport) i think orals have a shit risk / reward. Paul doesn't use orals, neither does Roman Fritz and he competes at a high level in BBing. That said, some of these guys who swear off orals will run injectable versions of the orals which as far as I know are pretty much just as harsh on the liver and lipids. Orals are just so goddam tempting, even just a little anavar preworkout. But for me it's a no-go, but I am jealous.

Oddly enough I get the worst acid reflux from Cialis only. Even with the shit ton of orals I’m currently running for this brief period, my appetite is fine and actually just as good as ever and it’s rare I get acid reflux unless I use cialis pre workout so I’m done with cialis for now. I’ve also found a massive difference in side effects when hyper dosing NAC and a TUDCA blend. Night and day difference actually. Also if you’re willing to shrink down the half life some, sublingual oral dosing does theoretically allow a little less toxicity and bypasses the first love pass. Same with injectable orals in terms of first liver pass. They are still toxic though. I notice no differences myself sublingual. Also out of all orals Anavar seems to affect my digestion the worst which is very odd. Not sure if it’s a binder/anti caking agent or the compound itself.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Pete Grymkowski approved!

Allegedly Pete would take over 100 5mg Dbol tablets a day for extended periods with no ill effects. He's 79 years old now and still kicking so maybe there's hope for you

pretty sure pete had like two heart surgeries

@dougcentral​

cool post man, I'd be dead.
I've always wanted to do something similar with orals but in microdoses.
but yeah i think theres a tumor risk even if you dont get obvious symptoms
I know PLers are a different breed so this is interesting.
maybe we could crowdfund your bloodwork for science

 

[dougcentral]

Dude it’s free in Canada. It’s just not always easy to get your doctor to get everything if you appear “young and healthy”. They will grill you on why you need it done, etc etc. My family doctor lectures me and refuses a lot of test. I’ll try to get everything, but I’m also cautious because it can affect future life insurance if they find out you took get. So I dunno what to do. I had a great nurse practitioner who never lectured me for awhile. I’m looking into finding a good endocrinologist because I’m sick of explaining why my estrogen might read high on Tren because it can falsely be read as estrogen on those insensitive tests.

 

[Rippidy Dippidy]

Haven’t done any powerlifting since January, but I’ve been easing back into heavy pressing with much lighter weights and building up slowly from here. Did 305 lbs on incline for a set of 5 with 1 RIR today. Nothing impressive but want to make sure I don’t aggravate my left pec cause I had a minor injury back in the winter. My best on incline was 440 for a double, so working my way back up. I’ve been doing very light weight with very high reps (15-60) with very slow eccentrics for months on end now. I’m excited to get back to deadlifting as well. Pulled 700 lbs last summer Beltless in competition and looking to hit 750 within the next year. Doing very heavy banded back extensions with very slow eccentrics and heavy sets of 5 stiff legged deadlifts with very slow eccentrics is what got me to 700. I did 505 lbs for 5 reps with the stiff legged slow eccentric and 2 months later pulled 700 without a belt conventional. It translates like crazy.

Brother, I pulled 700lbs on 600mg of test, 300mg Deca. What’s your goals ? Have you ever cut out the orals and tried something like 1200 of test w/ 750 Deca ? Sounds like you’re focused on strength and I was at my strongest with just those two compounds. (Not saying it’s a smart idea either)

You don’t need all these orals…
Do yourself a favour and get your bloods done buddy I would be genuinely concerned for my friend if he mentioned this to me.

 

[TestMonkey]

Pulsing orals is the best way because if you run them straight through a prep, you’re asking for trouble. What I’m doing now is simply an experiment because of all the orals I had left over from a powerlifting meet I pulled out of awhile back. Normally I’d run either 2 weeks on 2 weeks off or maybe start a prep with 4 weeks of 1-2 orals and then 2-3 weeks out from the meet, start the orals again. One week on, one week off this cutting cycle treated me well. I’ve had horrible lethargy and appetite suppression when running orals for more than 3 weeks at a time. Im liking the every other week method currently.

Thanks for the insight man, I think I will try that then the next 2 weeks for the last 2 heavy weeks of this block, since my bench is very down and needs a little boost. And then 4-6 weeks off and then add the orals back in for the last 4-6 w.

I do find orals are far better for strength than almost any injection, with Tren being the huge exception. Tren does affect my sleep some, but I already have had insomnia for the last 17 years straight. I’ve been tested for sleep apnea and it’s low to mild and using the machine for 2 months straight made my sleep much worse and I was even more tired. Over time your body does adapt and you learn better sleeping strategies, but if Tren affects your recovery, toss it. I find I see strength benefits even as low as 1-200 mg of Tren E. The huge boost comes from 4-600 though for me but I wouldn’t recommend pushing that high until you’re at least 3-4 weeks out if not 2 weeks out. Tren Ace works FAST and it’s powerful.

I guess I'll do one more tren ace run at some point (not this prep), to see if I get strength benefits at 4-600 even if sleep suffers a bit.

The exotic compounds like MTren or cheque drops I’d usually only do on training days and let anadrol or dbol do there thing the final weeks. Superdrol and M1T are also fantastic for size and strength and as good as anadrol or dbol but more toxic so maybe save for the final 2-3 week before a meet.

I'm also very interested in the exotic shit and maybe for this prep I'll throw in some sdrol the last week just to see what that is about!

 

[PermaBlastingTren]

looks like i have some competition

 

[29trt]

Definitely gonna try this cycle out!
It looks great for more experienced guys like us ,our body has adjusted to the drugs over time and now we can take all sorts of orals that the noobs with their fresh and young organs full of stem cells couldn't dream to handle without serios health concerns.

 

[IronLinus]

Hi All. I’m new to this forum and wanted to share this experience. I’ve been doing a Test, Tren and Masteron cycle but for the last 5 weeks, I wanted to share the insane amount of orals I’ve added in. I’ve been cycling for over 10 years. I’m a powerlifter and have some national records in the WPC Canada in both 181 and 242 weight class.

Here are the injectable’s the last weeks of the cycle:

400 Test, 500 Masteron, 300 Tren E, 350 Tren A

This is where it gets crazy. Weeks 1-2 of these last 5 weeks are as follows:

Anadrol 50/day
Halo 20/day
Winstrol 75/day
Superdrol 35/day
Oral Methyltrienolone 1mg/day
Anavar 80-100/day

Week 3 I’m taking a break from all orals and upping the Tren A from 350 to 750 and then the Tren A will be finished for the last 2 weeks, so only 300 Tren E the last 2 weeks.

Weeks 4-5 for orals are as follows:

Winstrol 75/day
Superdrol 20/day
M-1-T 40/day
Epistane 80/day
Injectable Methyltrienolone 4mg/day

For cycle support I’m running Methylene Blue, TUDCA (also has milk thistle, dandelion root, ashwaganda and a bunch of other supps within capsules), NAC, Vitamin D3 and P5P.

I’m half way through week 2 of this 5 week stint. Only side effects I’m experiencing are insomnia, mild heart burn and some tiredness on and off throughout the day but nothing I haven’t felt before from even one oral. This was a 12 week cycle where I ran 2-3 orals every other week throughout but decided to really push things these last 5. The cycle started off as a major cutting cycle and I dropped down from 245 to 205, but the last 2 weeks had been more of a lean bulk/recomp. I haven’t lost any strength throughout this cut and now that I’m back to eating in a surplus with the increased androgen load, my strength and gym performance is exploding. Will keep you guys updated. Btw my best bench press is 485 lbs and best deadlift is 700 lbs.

Holy moly

 

[RockyP]

Brother, I pulled 700lbs on 600mg of test, 300mg Deca. What’s your goals ? Have you ever cut out the orals and tried something like 1200 of test w/ 750 Deca ? Sounds like you’re focused on strength and I was at my strongest with just those two compounds. (Not saying it’s a smart idea either)

You don’t need all these orals…
Do yourself a favour and get your bloods done buddy I would be genuinely concerned for my friend if he mentioned this to me.

Test, Deca, GH would be my go-to for max strength and durability, with MAYBE one Anadrol prior to lifting / competition.

 

[DinoBB76]

Yikes man. A year straight ?!?! Even I wouldn’t think of doing that. That’s insane.

yes , they were bodybuilders over 100Kg in competition, in a month between transplant, intensive care and hospitalization, they came out at about 75/80Kg, career over, now they have a new liver but it is no longer like before, for their whole life they have to undergo medical therapies to stay alive, every choice is paid for in bodybuilding, not even at Olympia levels do you get to this kind of madness

 

[dougcentral]

Brother, I pulled 700lbs on 600mg of test, 300mg Deca. What’s your goals ? Have you ever cut out the orals and tried something like 1200 of test w/ 750 Deca ? Sounds like you’re focused on strength and I was at my strongest with just those two compounds. (Not saying it’s a smart idea either)

You don’t need all these orals…
Do yourself a favour and get your bloods done buddy I would be genuinely concerned for my friend if he mentioned this to me.

I normally run zero orals and just 2-3 injections. This is purely an experiment because of a ton of left over stuff I had. In no way do I recommend this for anyone. Thanks for the concern though. When I’m blasting my hardest it’s usually 2 injections and 2 orals at moderate doses. I normally don’t go over 800 test and 2-400 Tren or 300 Deca and when I’m on orals, it’s normal anavar at 40-60 or anadrol at 50-100 and maybe dbol around 30. I also never run orals more than 4-6 weeks in a cycle unless it’s during a prep for a meet.

 

[dougcentral]

Thanks for the insight man, I think I will try that then the next 2 weeks for the last 2 heavy weeks of this block, since my bench is very down and needs a little boost. And then 4-6 weeks off and then add the orals back in for the last 4-6 w.

I guess I'll do one more tren ace run at some point (not this prep), to see if I get strength benefits at 4-600 even if sleep suffers a bit.

I'm also very interested in the exotic shit and maybe for this prep I'll throw in some sdrol the last week just to see what that is about!

One thing I will say is drugs and androgens can only get you so strong. What pushes my strength up the most is upping the carbs to 600-1000 plus grams a day in waves and making sure my potassium and sodium are high enough. My diet consists of almost 10,000 mg of potassium and 6-8000 mg of sodium. I even weigh my sodium out with meals. Make sure you have enough magnesium in your diet too. I use Cronometer. Amazing app and it’s free!! Hydration and electrolyte intake are key for muscle contractions and nervous system function. You need it for optimum force output in strength sports. Go eat a greasy pizza with tons of sodium and then bench 2-3 hours later and you’ll see what I mean. Most of my carbs and sodium are pre and post workout for the day. I eat all my fats pre bed. Carbs affect my sleep negatively.

 

[dougcentral]

Definitely gonna try this cycle out!
It looks great for more experienced guys like us ,our body has adjusted to the drugs over time and now we can take all sorts of orals that the noobs with their fresh and young organs full of stem cells couldn't dream to handle without serios health concerns.

Lmao niiice

 

[dougcentral]

Did my last orals of week 2. Starting tomorrow in Week 3, I’m taking all orals out and upping my Tren ace to 750 from 350 for the week and then I’ll be done with tren ace, then weeks 4-5 I’m adding in 75 mg of Winstrol, 20 mg of Superdrol, 40 mg of M1T and 80 mg of Epistane daily, to end the crazy oral experiment. I’ll also be doing 4 mg of injectable MTren daily. I experimented with both sublingual of all orals and regular oral administration through swallowing and I can say without a doubt that sublingual minimizes toxicity and peaks faster in the system pre workout. This week I did regular swallowing and my guts were wrecked and I had more lethargy. I’m definitely sticking with sublingual from now on for the most part. This also increases bioavailability, but may shorten half life in theory and you may lose out on some of the metabolites broken down from the liver, etc. Example would be oxymetholone (anadrol) breaking down into Mestanolone (methyl DHT) as one of its metabolites. Then again you can bypass some of the appetite suppression and feel less toxic and have the original hormone itself be more powerful.

 

[Liter O' Test]

If there was a 50% chance you'd never be able to take gear or lift again would you take these orals?

 

[readalot]

Hi All. I’m new to this forum and wanted to share this experience. I’ve been doing a Test, Tren and Masteron cycle but for the last 5 weeks, I wanted to share the insane amount of orals I’ve added in. I’ve been cycling for over 10 years. I’m a powerlifter and have some national records in the WPC Canada in both 181 and 242 weight class.

Here are the injectable’s the last weeks of the cycle:

400 Test, 500 Masteron, 300 Tren E, 350 Tren A

This is where it gets crazy. Weeks 1-2 of these last 5 weeks are as follows:

Anadrol 50/day
Halo 20/day
Winstrol 75/day
Superdrol 35/day
Oral Methyltrienolone 1mg/day
Anavar 80-100/day

Week 3 I’m taking a break from all orals and upping the Tren A from 350 to 750 and then the Tren A will be finished for the last 2 weeks, so only 300 Tren E the last 2 weeks.

Weeks 4-5 for orals are as follows:

Winstrol 75/day
Superdrol 20/day
M-1-T 40/day
Epistane 80/day
Injectable Methyltrienolone 4mg/day

For cycle support I’m running Methylene Blue, TUDCA (also has milk thistle, dandelion root, ashwaganda and a bunch of other supps within capsules), NAC, Vitamin D3 and P5P.

I’m half way through week 2 of this 5 week stint. Only side effects I’m experiencing are insomnia, mild heart burn and some tiredness on and off throughout the day but nothing I haven’t felt before from even one oral. This was a 12 week cycle where I ran 2-3 orals every other week throughout but decided to really push things these last 5. The cycle started off as a major cutting cycle and I dropped down from 245 to 205, but the last 2 weeks had been more of a lean bulk/recomp. I haven’t lost any strength throughout this cut and now that I’m back to eating in a surplus with the increased androgen load, my strength and gym performance is exploding. Will keep you guys updated. Btw my best bench press is 485 lbs and best deadlift is 700 lb