Crohn's disease

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I have a friend who has Crohn's disease. Because of costs of going to longevity clinics and the lack of insurance coverage for HGH treatment, he's going to have to go black market for HGH. Finding a source is not a problem, already taken care of. However, I have tried researching the applicable dosages for Crohn administration and haven't found anything.

I have found several articles citing studies where HGH administration has been successful in over 70% of test subjects. Does anyone have any insight on dosage? I am estimating probably 2iu per night, but this may be more than is necessary. I know that for fat loss, people are taking about 4 iu a night and bodybuilders are taking more... does anyone have any idea? If not, does anyone know where I could start gatheringinformation?

Thanks!

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You might try this group on Yahoo. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rejuvenation/

They have a lot of info on HGH usage.
 
You might also check out www.drmirkin.com. This guy Mirkin is a pretty reputable clinical practitioner who's convinced that Crohn's Disease is caused by an infection, and that it's treatable with antibiotics.
 
I know it's an old post, but I haven't found any answers as of yet. I'm hoping some new bros may have some insight on this matter. Thanks guys.
 
There is a clinic in Munich, Germany

greyowl said:
You might also check out www.drmirkin.com. This guy Mirkin is a pretty reputable clinical practitioner who's convinced that Crohn's Disease is caused by an infection, and that it's treatable with antibiotics.


That is using pig "worms" in the intestine to cure Crohns and IBS. They believe that humans lack the intestinal parasites that they used to have as we have become more sanitary. So they have patients drink water with eggs from pig worms. The eggs are not apparent but hatch and flourish in the intestines with no negative consequences to the patient but a high cure rate of Chrohn's and IBS.
 
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distributor -> I can't help you on the topic but I found this article worth to look at ( if you don't have it by now )

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/88/11/5468

Effects of growth hormone secretion on body composition in patients with Crohn's disease.

Katznelson L, Fairfield WP, Zeizafoun N, Sands BE, Peppercorn MA, Rosenthal DI, Klibanski A.

Neuroendocrine Unit and General Clinical Research Center, Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts 02114, USA. lkatznelson@partners.org

Crohn's disease is a multisystem disorder characterized by chronic intestinal inflammation. Accumulation of mesenteric fat occurs in patients with Crohn's disease, although the mechanisms underlying site-specific changes in adipose deposition are unclear. To investigate whether there are alterations in site-specific adipose deposition in patients with Crohn's disease and to determine hormonal influences that may underlie such changes, we investigated body composition and serum hormone levels in 20 men with Crohn's disease (mean age, 45 +/- 2 yr) and 20 age-, gender-, and body mass index-matched normal controls (mean age, 43 +/- 3 yr). None of the Crohn's patients was receiving glucocorticoid therapy. Subjects underwent hourly GH sampling for 12 h beginning at 2000 h and fasting serum IGF-I and testosterone measurements. Body composition was assessed by quantitative computed tomography of the abdomen and bioelectrical impedance analysis. In the Crohn's disease and control subjects, mean serum GH levels were 1.07 +/- 0.2 and 1.7 +/- 0.2 ng/ml (P = 0.06), serum IGF-I levels were 162.7 +/- 10.5 and 194.8 +/- 15.7 ng/ml (P = 0.1), and serum testosterone levels were 489 +/- 33 and 514 +/- 38 ng/ml (P = NS), respectively. Percentage body fat was significantly higher in the Crohn's patients (21 +/- 0.8% vs. 17.7 +/- 0.9%, respectively; P = 0.013). Intraabdominal fat (IAF) was significantly higher in the Crohn's subjects vs. controls (115 +/- 11 vs. 69 +/- 7 cm(2), respectively; P = 0.001). The ratio of intraabdominal to total body fat was higher in the Crohn's subjects than in the controls (0.4 +/- 0.1 vs. 0.3 +/- 0.1, respectively; P = 0.025). Subcutaneous fat area was similar in the two groups. IAF was higher in Crohn's patients even when controlling for testosterone and mean serum GH. Mean serum GH contributed independently to the differences in IAF (P = 0.001). The ratio of IAF to total body fat remained higher in the Crohn's subjects when controlling for serum testosterone, but was no longer significant in a model that also included IGF-I and mean serum GH. GH levels contributed independently to the differences in the intraabdominal to total body fat ratio (P = 0.02). In the Crohn's patients, serum GH correlated negatively with intraabdominal and total body fat and the ratio of intraabdominal to total body fat. Crohn's disease is associated with an increase in central fat accumulation, with more IAF and a higher ratio of intraabdominal to total body fat compared with controls. Although serum GH levels were similar in the two groups, GH contributed significantly to the abdominal fat measurements. These data show that GH has an important role in modulating visceral fat distribution in patients with Crohn's disease.
 
The main researcher is Dr. Joel Weinstock from the University of Iowa. The parasite is the pig whipworm, that dies within a few weeks with no adverse side effects to humans since we are not the "host" of the worm. Chrons is a disease of industrialized societys; it is extremely rare in third world countries where typically most children have intestinal worms of some sort such as round worms, hookworms, etc. Another researcher Allan Brown of Nottingham hospital in Britain discovered that his hayfever has gone into remission since being infested with about 300 hookworms he picked up in Papua New Guinea. A parasitologist Dr. Koichiro Fujita has written about the large increase in allergies and asthma since the end of World War II in Japan as a result of increased sanitation. He wrote a book entitled "Cleanliness is a sickness."
 
Thanks

So far, you guys have given me more information than anywhere else, even my buddy's doctors... they don't want to touch the issue. I appreciate all of the effort. We've found some good testimonials in his support group and are going to go ahead with the GH. Thanks guys for your help! If anyone comes across anything else, please post it!
 
Distributor,

I'm glad I've found you. Lemme start by saying that I've just had one of my worst weeks in my life. My wife has been out of the hospital for a week now after undergoing a major surgery that revealed Crohn's desease and resulted in removing 8 inches from her small intestine. She's 32 and never had symptoms whatsoever. Before, last week I didn't even know how to spell Crohn's and today I'm going crazy doing all kinds of research on a full time basis trying to figure out options and educate myself.

I have run into an article already actually that talks about using HGH for Crohn's.http://www.cenegenics.com/ccabs/abs59.html and thought it was extremely encouraging and it made me happy. The doctor has put my wife on Azasan (immune suppressor) in order to keep things in remetion but I dislike that idea of supressing her immune system in order to prevent future flare-ups. Therefore, I have found the hgh option extremely promissing.

I have just read the research study posted above by ciobl and it even made me more excited. I'm not sure if you have further articles yourself. If so, I would appreciate it if you share the information with me.

Now. There are two steps I'm interested in taking. One is to find an Anti-Aging medical doctor who has experience with such option (hgh that is) and see if we can use him in that regard. If not, I will be willing to go through the black market but still consult a physician to run blood work etc... Second step is to find out how much dosage of hgh is appropriate for crohn's treatment for a female that weighs 124pounds. It sounds like you've been doing your own homework like myself. Do you mind if we share our research and findings please? Lemme know.

Finally; I hope that your patient friend is doing well with their condition and hope that the hgh therapy is doing the trick.

Later... :)
 
SWALE-Follower said:
Distributor,

I'm glad I've found you. Lemme start by saying that I've just had one of my worst weeks in my life. My wife has been out of the hospital for a week now after undergoing a major surgery that revealed Crohn's desease and resulted in removing 8 inches from her small intestine. She's 32 and never had symptoms whatsoever. Before, last week I didn't even know how to spell Crohn's and today I'm going crazy doing all kinds of research on a full time basis trying to figure out options and educate myself.

I have run into an article already actually that talks about using HGH for Crohn's.http://www.cenegenics.com/ccabs/abs59.html and thought it was extremely encouraging and it made me happy. The doctor has put my wife on Azasan (immune suppressor) in order to keep things in remetion but I dislike that idea of supressing her immune system in order to prevent future flare-ups. Therefore, I have found the hgh option extremely promissing.

I have just read the research study posted above by ciobl and it even made me more excited. I'm not sure if you have further articles yourself. If so, I would appreciate it if you share the information with me.

Now. There are two steps I'm interested in taking. One is to find an Anti-Aging medical doctor who has experience with such option (hgh that is) and see if we can use him in that regard. If not, I will be willing to go through the black market but still consult a physician to run blood work etc... Second step is to find out how much dosage of hgh is appropriate for crohn's treatment for a female that weighs 124pounds. It sounds like you've been doing your own homework like myself. Do you mind if we share our research and findings please? Lemme know.

Finally; I hope that your patient friend is doing well with their condition and hope that the hgh therapy is doing the trick.

Later... :)

There's a growing body of scientific work that suggest that Crohn's is the result of an infection, and that it rsponds well to a very long course of antibiotics and probiotics.

MAP, CROHN'S DISEASE AND IRRITABLE BOWEL SYNDROME

Gabe Mirkin, M.D.

Researchers at St. George's Hospital Medical School in London report that they have found Mycobacterium Avium Paratuberculosis bacteria in 92 percent of patients with Crohn's disease, but in only 26 percent of patients in a control group.

When a person has intestinal cramping, bloody diarrhea and ulcers in the colon or intestines, doctors look for cancers, infections and any other known cause. When they can't find a cause, they tell the patient that he has Crohn's disease and that the disease is caused by the patient's own immunity that punches holes in his intestines.

Mycobacterium Avium Paratuberculosis is found in two percent of the milk sold to the public. In the United States, milk must be pasteurized before it can be sold. Pasteurizing means that the milk is flash heated for 15 seconds. However, 15 seconds is not long enough to kill Mycobacterium Avium Paratuberculosis; it takes at least 50 seconds of heating to kill it. In England, all milk must be flash-heated for 50 seonds to kill MAP.

A second discovery by the team of researchers in England is that a very large percentage of people suffering from Irritable Bowel Syndrome were also found to be infected with MAP. Irritable Bowel Syndrome means that a person has alternating constipation and diarrhea along with cramping, and doctors can't find a cause. Previous research shows that MAP can damage the nerves inside the intestines of certain animals. A recent study from Sweden shows that people with Irritable Bowel syndrome also have inflamed gut nerves. So MAP may cause both Crohn's disease and some cases of Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

In England, patients with Crohn's disease are diagnosed as having an infection with MAP and are treated with antibiotics and many patients are cured. In the United Sates, patients with Crohn's disease are diagnosed as having an autoimmune disease in which their own immunities attack their own intestinal linings, so they are treated with poisons called immune suppressants. Some get better temporarily, none are cured and most have their lives shortened by treatments for auto immune diseases, when the treatment may be based on an incorrect theory of the cause.

Today, more than 5 percent of Americans suffer from Irritable Bowel Syndrome, and the majority of these people will continue to suffer these symptoms for the rest of their lives, even though doctors in England feel that both Crohn's disease and Irritable Bowel Syndrome are infectious diseases that may be cured by taking antibiotics.

Journal of Clinical Microbiology, 2003, Vol 41, Iss 2, pp 2915-2923.

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CROHN'S DISEASE - INFECTION?

Gabe Mirkin, M.D.

Many recent studies show that most gastroenterologists may be wrong when they do not prescribe antibiotics to treat Crohn's disease (1-30). When a person has bloody diarrhea and doctors find ulcers in the intestines, they look for cancer, infection or parasites. When they can't find a cause, they should say that they don't have the foggiest idea why the person has intestinal ulcers. Instead, they deceive their patients by saying that the person has Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis, and explaining that the person's immunity is so stupid that it punches holes in the intestines, rather than doing its job of killing germs. They prescribe medications that suppress immunity or cut out parts of intestine. The immunities of these patients may not be so stupid that they attack and kill their own intestinal cells. Normal intestines are so loaded with bacteria that doctors can't possibly tell which belong there and which may be causing disease. This treatment offers no cure and is associated with many complications that shorten life (4).

Exciting research from France show that a variant of E. Coli, a bacteria that lives in normal intestines, sticks to the intestinal lining and produces an alpha hemolysis that punches holes in the intestines to cause at least some cases of Crohn's disease (1). Further studies show that heat shock protein can be removed from the common intestinal bacteria, E. Coli, and when given to mice, causes terrible bloody ulcers to form in the intestines (1a). The intestines looked under the microscope exactly the same as those of people who suffer from ulcerative colitis or Crohn's disease (1a). Extensive data show that people with this condition have leaky intestines that allow germs to pass into the bloodstream (2) and their immunities are trying to kill these germs (3). Antibiotics can reduce swelling and ulcers in Crohn's disease. Crohn's disease is contagious as people married to partners with ulcerative colitis are more likely to develop that disease (5).

Dr. Joel Taurog of the University of Texas in Dallas has shown that a bacteria called bacteroides causes ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease in mice who are genetically programmed to have a HLA-B27, a special gene that causes arthritis (6,7). Special tissue staining techniques show that tissue taken from patients with Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis contain parts of two common bacteria called E. Coli and streptococci (8). Many studies show that infections may cause Crohn's disease and that antibiotics, particularly, Cipro with or without metronidazole control ulcerative colitis and Crohns (9,10,11,12,13,14,15, 16,17,18,20). Although many doctors disagree, I treat Crohn's disease with Cipro 500 mg twice a day continuously and metronidazole 250 mg four times a day on alternate weeks and check liver tests monthly (21). I tell patients to stop metronidazole if they feel any strange nerve sensations. This treatment is highly controversial and not accepted by most doctors; discuss it with your doctor.

Recent studies show that Crohn's disease can be controlled by probiotics and prebiotics, introduced into the colon by eating a diet rich in vegetables and whole grains and taking specific good bacteria such as lactobacillus GG. (25)

Cipro and metronidazole cannot be given to children because they can cause cartilaginous and liver damage. In Alimentary Pharmacology and Therapeutics, researchers showed that clarithromycin may control Crohn's disease in children (26).

1) A Darfeuillemichaud, C Neut, N Barnich, E Lederman, P Dimartino, P Desreumaux, L Gambiez, B Joly, A Cortot, JF Colombel. Presence of adherent Escherichia coli strains in ileal mucosa of patients with Crohn's disease. Gastroenterology 115: 6(DEC 1998):1405-1413.

1a) Yagita, Y Sukegawa, S Maruyama, N Sato, Y Atomi, H Yamaguchi, S Kamiya, T Ihara, M Squamata. Mouse colitis induced by Escherichia coli producing Arsenio enterocolitica 60-kilodalton heat-shock protein - Light and electron microscope study. Digestive Diseases and Sciences 44: 2 (FEB 1999):445-451.

2) A Puspok, G Oberhuber, J Wyatt, T Maierdobersberger, J Hammer, F Pfeffel, F Wrba, R Potzi, H Vogelsang. Gastroduodenal permeability in Crohn's disease. European Journal of Clinical Investigation 28: 1(JAN 1998):67-71. gastroduodenal permeability is increased in a high proportion of patients with Crohn's disease.

3) SO Lopezcubero, KM Sullivan, GB Mcdonald. Course of Crohn's disease after allogeneic marrow transplantation. Gastroenterology 114: 3 (MAR 1998):433-440. Four of 5 patients followed up for 4.5 to 15.3 years after allogeneic hematopoietic cell transplantation remained free of Crohn's disease.

4) RS Walmsley, CD Gillen, RN Allan. Prognosis and management of Crohn's disease in the over-55 age group. Postgraduate Medical Journal 73: 858 (APR 1997):225-229. "Medical treatment (corticosteriod therapy, with or without azathioprine) was usually effective initially for treatment of symptomatic colonic Crohn's disease, but sustained remission was rare. Those patients with persistent symptoms were restored to good health with surgical treatment but at a price, in that nearly half eventually required a permanent stoma.

5) MC Comes, C Gowerrousseau, JF Colombel, J Belaiche, HJ Vankruiningen, MC Nuttens, A Cortot. Inflammatory bowel disease in married couples: 10 cases in Nord Pas de Calais region of France and Liege county of Belgium. Gut 35: 9 (SEP 1994):1316-1318.

6) Joel Taurog. J of Experimental Medicine. December, 1994.

7) Journal of Clinical Investigation. August, 1996.

8) HJ Vankruiningen. On the use of antibiotics in Crohn's disease. Journal of Clinical Gastroenterology 20: 4 (JUN 1995):310-316.

9) MJ Spirt. Antibiotics in inflammatory bowel disease: New choices for an old disease. American Journal of Gastroenterology 89: 7 (JUL 1994):974-978.

10) P Rutgeerts, M Hiele, K Geboes, M Peeters, F Penninckx. Kerremans. Controlled trial of metronidazole treatment for prevention of Crohn's recurrence after ileal resection. Gastroenterology 108: 6 (JUN1995):1617-1621.

11) C Prantera, F Zannoni, ML Scribano, E Berto, A Andreoli, A Kohn, C Luzi. An antibiotic regimen for the treatment of active Crohn's disease: A randomized, controlled clinical trial of metronidazole plus ciprofloxacin. American Journal of Gastroenterology 91: 2 (FEB 1996):328-332.

12) D Lamarque. Role of bacteria in the pathogenesis of inflammatory bowel disease. Semaine Des Hopitaux 74: 17-18 (MAY 21 1998):757-758.

13) C Rachima, E Maoz, S Apter, M Thaler, E Grossman, T Rosenthal. Cytomegalovirus infection associated with ulcerative colitis in immunocompetent individuals. Postgraduate Medical Journal 74:874(AUG 1998):486-489.

14) unpublished results R Balfour Sartor of the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill.

15) HJ Vankruiningen. On the use of antibiotics in Crohn's disease. Journal of Clinical Gastroenterology 20: 4 (JUN 1995):310-316.

16) SL Greenbloom, AH Steinhart, GR Greenberg. Combination ciprofloxacin and metronidazole for active Crohn's disease. Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology. 12: 1(JAN-FEB 1998):53-56.

17) UM Turunen, MA Farkkila, K Hakala, K Seppala, A Sivonen, M Ogren, M Vuoristo, VV Valtonen, TA Miettinen. Long-term treatment of ulcerative colitis with ciprofloxacin: A prospective, double-blind, placebo-controlled study. Gastroenterology 115: 5 (NOV 1998):1072-1078.

18) Kangro et al. A prospective study of viral and mycoplasma infections in chornic inflammatory bowel disease. Gastroenterol 1990;98:549-553. 19) F Casellas, N Borruel, M Papo, F Guarner, M Antolin, S Videla, JR Malagelada. Antiinflammatory effects of enterically coated amoxicillin-clavulanic acid in active ulcerative colitis. Inflammatory Bowel Diseases 4: 1 (FEB 1998):1-5.

20) M Stahl, D Ludwig, K Fellermann, EF Stange. Intestinal expression of human heat shock protein90 in patients with Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis. Digestive Diseases and Sciences 43: 5 (MAY 1998):1079-1087.

21) C Prantera, E Berto, ML Scribano, G Falasco. Use of antibiotics in the treatment of active Crohn's disease: experience with metronidazole and ciprofloxacin. Italian Journal of Gastroenterology and Hepatology. 30: 6 (DEC 1998): 602-606.

22) PY Chung, MA Peppercorn. Antibiotics in inflammatory bowel disease. Drugs of Today, 1999, Vol 35, Iss 2, pp 89-103.

23)G Mingrone, A DeGaetano, M Pugeat, E Capristo, AV Greco, G Gasbarrini.The steroid resistance of Crohn's disease.Journal of Investigative Medicine, 1999, Vol 47, Iss 6, pp 319-325.

24)JR Cangemi.The role of antibiotics in Crohn's disease.Digestive Diseases, 1999, Vol 17, Iss 1, pp 1-5. 24)K Persson, S Osser, S Birkelund, G Christiansen, H Brade.Antibodies to Chlamydia trachomatis heat shock proteins in women with tubal factor infertility are associated with prior infection by C-trachomatis but not by C-pneumoniae. Human Reproduction, 1999, Vol 14, Iss 8, pp 1969-1973

25)T Tsujikawa, J Satoh, K Uda, T Ihara, T Okamoto, Y Araki, M Sasaki, Y Fujiyama, T Bamba. Clinical importance of n-3 fatty acid-rich diet and nutritional education for the maintenance of remission in Crohn's disease. Journal of Gastroenterology, 2000, Vol 35, Iss 2, pp 99-104.

26)K Leiper, AI Morris, JM Rhodes. Open label trial of oral clarithromycin in active Crohn's disease. Alimentary Pharmacology & Therapeutics, 2000, Vol 14, Iss 6, pp 801-806. Address: Rhodes JM, Univ Liverpool, Dept Clin Med, Duncan Bldg, Daulby St, Liverpool L69 3GA, Merseyside, ENGLAND. Eleven of the 25 patients studied continued on oral clarithromycin after 12 weeks for a median of 28 weeks (range 20-60). Eight (73%) remained in remission on treatment. When treatment with clarithromycin was stopped three remained in remission and five relapsed after a median of 5 months (range 4-9). Two patients withdrew due to non-serious side-effects. Treatment was well tolerated in the remaining patients.

27)KL Madsen, JS Doyle, MM Tavernini, LD Jewell, RP Rennie, RN Fedorak. Antibiotic therapy attenuates colitis in interleukin 10 gene-deficient mice. Gastroenterology, 2000, Vol 118, Iss 6, pp 1094+. Address: Fedorak RN, Univ Alberta, Div Gastroenterol, Dept Med, 519 Newton Bldg, Edmonton, AB T6G 2C2, CANADA.

28) K Leiper, AI Morris, JM Rhodes. Open label trial of oral clarithromycin in active Crohn's disease. Alimentary Pharmacology & Therapeutics, 2000, Vol 14, Iss 6, pp 801-806.

29) KL Madsen, JS Doyle, MM Tavernini, LD Jewell, RP Rennie, RN Fedorak. Antibiotic therapy attenuates colitis in interleukin 10 gene-deficient mice. Gastroenterology, 2000, Vol 118, Iss 6, pp 1094+.

30) Preliminary study of ciprofloxacin in active Crohn's disease. Inflammatory Bowel Diseases, 2002, Vol 8, Iss 1, pp 10-15. GL Arnold, MR Beaves, VO Pryjdun, WJ Mook.
 
Why take antibiotics when the pig whipworm will do the job?

It keeps the bacteria from harming the intestine and allows the bodyto heal Then the whipworm is expelled leaving the patient healthy. Cutting out intestine is barbaric when unneccesary. This may be standard medical practice but it is not restoring the health of the patient and is compounded by adding immuno suppressing drugs. The decision to go with HGH before trying a "natural" cure such as the pig whipworm betrays a bias towards using drugs fostered by the pharmaceutical companies and the kind of doctor caring for this fellow's wife. Its also true of blasting with heavy duty antibiotics. I have had two bouts of clostridium dificil outbreak after courses of antibiotic. I became seriously ill and it could have been catastrophic(gangrene and death being the ultimate outcomes). When I pointed out to the physician that 70% of outbreaks were occasioned by a particular class of antibiotics he pooh poohed it, even though I took that from Tabor's.
 
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Prot, did the antibiotics you took that gave you such trouble come fro the same class as Cipro or metronidazole?
 
prot said:
It keeps the bacteria from harming the intestine and allows the bodyto heal Then the whipworm is expelled leaving the patient healthy. Cutting out intestine is barbaric when unneccesary. This may be standard medical practice but it is not restoring the health of the patient and is compounded by adding immuno suppressing drugs. The decision to go with HGH before trying a "natural" cure such as the pig whipworm betrays a bias towards using drugs fostered by the pharmaceutical companies and the kind of doctor caring for this fellow's wife. Its also true of blasting with heavy duty antibiotics. I have had two bouts of clostridium dificil outbreak after courses of antibiotic. I became seriously ill and it could have been catastrophic(gangrene and death being the ultimate outcomes). When I pointed out to the physician that 70% of outbreaks were occasioned by a particular class of antibiotics he pooh poohed it, even though I took that from Tabor's.
Is this particular treatment done upon having an outbreak only or is it done also during the inactive state of the disease? The puzzling thing is that my wife did not exhibit any of the classic symptoms of crohn's whatsoever. She just started having pains in her abdominals which we thought appendix trouble... did C-Scan and next thing we know doctors wanted to perform surgery immediately. Four days later, we get a report from pathology saying Crohn's.
 
I dont believe so ..it was ceftin

greyowl said:
Prot, did the antibiotics you took that gave you such trouble come fro the same class as Cipro or metronidazole?

Ceftin is in the cephalosporin family of antibiotics and was prescribed for sinusitis. This class of antibiotics is esonsible for 70% of clostridium dificil outbreaks according to Tabor's. The initial outbreak occured at night and I was up for 2 1/2 hours in the bathroom expelling from both ends. After this every week for months I would be sick one day a week with a fever, chills and the shits. I finally went to the doctor and the confimed the clostridium dificil overgrowth and prescribed flagyl..which worked.

I believe the pig whipworm treatment will work anytime as the idea is to restore a healthy surface to the intestinal tract. The original study had a very high success rate for Chrohns and IBS and was done in Munich, Germany.
 
prot said:
I believe the pig whipworm treatment will work anytime as the idea is to restore a healthy surface to the intestinal tract. The original study had a very high success rate for Chrohns and IBS and was done in Munich, Germany.
Prot.. Do you know where I can get this study info? I'm interested as I'm still researching various options for my wife. I would like to find out how often would treatment like this would need to happen and for how long is it good for. Plus, since my wife never exhibited any symptoms, how can I prevent future trouble as it's happening? Also; have you done this whipworm treatment yourself?? Do you know of any who done it that I can discuss with?? See; I have so many questions... But thank you for your input.
 
BigAk I am postng info

SWALE-Follower said:
Prot.. Do you know where I can get this study info? I'm interested as I'm still researching various options for my wife. I would like to find out how often would treatment like this would need to happen and for how long is it good for. Plus, since my wife never exhibited any symptoms, how can I prevent future trouble as it's happening? Also; have you done this whipworm treatment yourself?? Do you know of any who done it that I can discuss with?? See; I have so many questions... But thank you for your input.


or at least a link http://ibd.patientcommunity.com/features/weinstock.cfm

The results say a 70% remission rate in a study of Chrohn's and IBS. Part of the article says Irritable Bowel Syndrome is so prevalent in Manitoba that 1 of every 250 people have it.

In the original small study they only used 6 patients and 5 went into remission immediately and the 6th after 3 months.

I read a lot of health news and came across this months ago. I know no one that has used it as it is in study phase. No major pharmaceutical company is involved so ?? Good luck to you and your wife. Enjoy you at CJM.
 
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