I say we all throw in $5 and see what info that'll buy us. If not maybe we can at least get noodz
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I say we all throw in $5 and see what info that'll buy us. If not maybe we can at least get noodz
If i say im in , does that make me gay ? Oh fuck it im in [emoji15]
ChestRockwell
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We will try our best to be as open as possible. Some of the acute manipulation of dietary and hormonal intake will have to be kept a bit under wraps because of the nature of this being a public board.
The irony is that I'm traditionally a very open individual and love to share information, however the past year or two I've had numerous folks steal various protocols and such, so I'm just a bit more cautious these days. Hopefully, you guys understand...
Always fan of your logs @Wunderpus
Thoroughly enjoy reading @ChestRockwell input and it's cool you're doing this. A little late to the party but definitely subbed!!
Thoroughly enjoy reading @ChestRockwell input and it's cool you're doing this. A little late to the party but definitely subbed!!
Late, but subbed. Thanks for the tag after I forgot to tag you in that one thread, too. I'm gonna make it up to you one day, I promise.
Ah gotcha. Paid service n all...
Idk why any of us even bother with being here? If i give you or somebody a valuable piece of info to implement in to their training or lifestyle is that stealing or doing exactly what this board was intended to do?
No one is forcing me to share a damn thing. I do it cuz i like you assholes and i pass shit along. Pay it forward. But youve managed to take regular info and turn it in to a paid service
Cool...not
ChestRockwell
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I used to train folks for years for free...not only did it help me perfect my craft, but I truly just enjoy helping people. What I found is that there is simply always going to be a correlation between accountability and those who pay for it.
And I'm truly hopeful you don't think we are withholding regular info? I've already told @Wunderpus he is free to post everything on our private board. I just don't want everything on a publicly indexed board. There are many reasons for this, which is probably beyond the scope of this post...
If you look at my posting history on MESO and elsewhere, I'm also hopeful you can see how much information I have shared (and continue to share) just to be helpful...
Yeah i like you and the info you give. But WTF is the point of a cycle log when NOTHING is going to be shared?
If 'puss is just doing it for accountability or what ever then so be it. Prolly could of just continued on with his last log
But if hes using a program(meadows) that is paid and he cannot share, hes using a coach that is paid he will not share. If the top secret nutritional and drug protocol is the secret sauce behind this paid program again he will not share. What the hell is the point behind all this?
Whats to say nothing gets shared with nobody. Even the noobs that come here for basic info? Nah, pay me dog. THEN ill tell you how to do your first cycle.
Smdh
If 'puss is just doing it for accountability or what ever then so be it. Prolly could of just continued on with his last log
But if hes using a program(meadows) that is paid and he cannot share, hes using a coach that is paid he will not share. If the top secret nutritional and drug protocol is the secret sauce behind this paid program again he will not share. What the hell is the point behind all this?
Whats to say nothing gets shared with nobody. Even the noobs that come here for basic info? Nah, pay me dog. THEN ill tell you how to do your first cycle.
Smdh
ChestRockwell
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Again, I feel as if you might be taking an extremist position shared. Nobody has said that "nothing" will be shared? Virtually everything will be shared, including hormone and dietary designs...
Trukk, you know better than to think I'd make a log where nothing is shared. HONESTLY the only bit of information I have withheld is JUST the GH and thyroid med timing, that's it! There is literally no other piece of this that has been withheld... I'm not sure what magic, or secret sauce, you think I'm keeping from everyone is... But, it's literally just what I mentioned, hGH timing and T3/T4 timing... That's it... I listed the drug dosages, the macros and the workout plan (yes, it's a Meadows plan, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that shit isn't wildly shared FOR FREE by members).... What else do you want?
I think the majority of the information is actually being shared here, Trukk. It's not quite as secret as you think it is.
I am pretty sure I have an idea of one item that's being withheld and it's really not a big secret... It just takes some research. I've read Chest talk about it here and on another board and I understand why he doesn't want to elaborate too much, he's trying to make a living here.
Here's some reading:
Effects of Growth Hormone on Glucose, Lipid, and Protein Metabolism in Human Subjects | Endocrine Reviews | Oxford Academic
I dont want anything. And like i said nothing is being shared of any importance. Nothing. Nothing at all. You can spin it slice it and dice it. Nothing. The meadows is a PAID program. A big part of a damn log! Not shared. Likely the only valuable piece one would pull out of this whole deal would be the gh and t3/t4. And thats not shared.
So whats the point? To promote a product( the paid service) or just show up everyday and tell us all what you cannot say?
What am I not providing that any other log does? What logs talk about, in detail, their training, hGH and thyroid timing? None that I can recall. Dude, I have made one fucking post going over things, how much do you expect to even get out of that? I could've just withheld the timing info, and no one would've said shit. But, I went out of my way to say it was being withheld, big mistake, apparently. No one would've fucking noticed, or had the desire to ask about, the gh and thyroid timing, I promise you that. But, now the moment I say it's NOT being shared, it's a problem...Okay, well I guess that's my fault for letting people know they aren't getting the info for free, that I paid for... My bad.
The "point" isn't solely limited to the two options you've provided (promoing Chest's services, or to "tell you what I can't tell you")... The "point" is to create a log exploring a different methodology than I am familiar with. The big change, to me, is the lowering of the overall AAS profile (ahhh, guess what, that's completely PUBLIC) and to show whether or not it is possible to get MORE from LESS. I'm sure there are other "points" to this log that have been yet to be discovered. I'm not sure why you're so hung up on the lack of information regarding thyroid med timing and hGH timing... But, it seems bizarre to be so worried about it.
I do what I can, pretty consistently, to give back to the community and provide my opinions, experiences, insight etc. But, I also am a man of my word, and when I have an agreement with someone (Chest in this instance), I'm not going to break that. Honestly, it's simple man. You could easily find all the details about what we're talking about on his board, the one that I asked you if you wanted to join... The one that you said you're "too busy to go look at." So, I gave you the ticket to this secret sauce, you didn't even want it... What else can I do?
I guess i dont have much more to say then
GL on your journey?
There's no reason for this thread or log to cause any contention between me, you, or anyone else. You're my boy Trukk, and I've had your back from the day we started talking. I always want your input, and I try to handle your criticisms with as much class and respect as I can... I'd be bummed to see you NOT post or contribute on my thread, due to what I believe is just a big misunderstanding. As I said, I think the information being withheld would've been unnoticed, and quite frankly is fairly available if you want it. I wouldn't tell people shit you asked me not to, you know that. I'm doing the same for Chest. But, I can't MAKE you want to read along and provide your input, regardless of how much I personally would enjoy that. However, I'd hate for this thread to just be a big argument about nondisclosure of relatively small information in the grand scheme of things...
colossus25
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From what i have gathered so far "timing" is the only piece of information missing right? And from what I've seen chest discuss and post in the past that information is already kind of out there. I don't understand what the big deal is? At the end of the day timing is a personal thing anyways, what may work for you might not work for everybody else.
ChestRockwell
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This is the punchline, and another secondary reason we shouldn't hyper-focus on the minutia. There are some general guidelines to adhere to, but what works for @Wunderpus may not work for others and vice versa...
And I have talked about those guidelines numerous times, even here on the MESO boards.
Marcus
New Member
Agree with this and colossus... chest has shared bits and pieces consistently throughout the board. His knowledge is out in the open, but his tailored protocol is not. IMO the information can be picked up here and there and put together to make a VERY educated choice on how to time GH/thyroid and carbs.
I will say, saying that it's being kept a secret though, makes me want to know more about if
but I can learn slowly too
weighted chinup
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No coach gets clients by being secretive and refusing to share knowledge. People hire coaches BECAUSE of the information they have provided for free or for the sake of improving other athletes.
Why do you guys think WP is working with TSP? Because he "thinks" (but doesn't know) that they might (maybe?) be good? Nah, he already has a good idea based on the information that was provided for free and the results that it facilitated.
Anything being 'withheld' is irrelevant anyway. That information is specific to the individual athlete and largely useless for anyone who isn't named @Wunderpus. The concern might not even be an issue of revealing the secret sauce, it becomes an issue of people trying that athletes protocol and getting sub-par results and thinking the coach's methodology isn't up to par. I would withhold that esoteric information on principle too if I were a coach or client.
The concern for butchering methodology is too real in this community imo.
Why do you guys think WP is working with TSP? Because he "thinks" (but doesn't know) that they might (maybe?) be good? Nah, he already has a good idea based on the information that was provided for free and the results that it facilitated.
Anything being 'withheld' is irrelevant anyway. That information is specific to the individual athlete and largely useless for anyone who isn't named @Wunderpus. The concern might not even be an issue of revealing the secret sauce, it becomes an issue of people trying that athletes protocol and getting sub-par results and thinking the coach's methodology isn't up to par. I would withhold that esoteric information on principle too if I were a coach or client.
The concern for butchering methodology is too real in this community imo.
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GearGodess
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I like the way you think. I also think it will be a nice change and shock to our friend's body. Wunderpus and I talk a lot and he needed some new ideas and guidance as he's one who loves the challenge and wants to keep things interesting. Ironically enough, your advice is similar thinking what I do with the girls I work with. (Partly because I think every female goal is strictly fat loss). Timing of that protocol may not be shared but there are plenty studies on GH and thyroid and how to adapt it all so it works for your body. So people would need to do more research then try different approaches for themselves. Like my favorite way and what works for me and many other females is the gh and thyroid meds timing right before a fasting cardio session. Then timing your food and other drugs if you are relying on gh for its fat loss but preservation of lean mass properties. That's just one way. So I get it. We are all different and I'm excited to see what it does for WP.
@Wunderpus darlin, thanks for the tag. You know I'll always be there and excited to be part of your experimental journey. 350mg tren.... hehehe I think that's my fave part. It's such an unusual thing for you! Lol... tren is a powerful compound and numbers sometimes don't mean much. 100mg tren would yield more than say 250mg of test or other compound. I always say, tren overpowers all. Lol
I'm pretty sure this will be a nice change for you and the Gauntlet is the perfect program for it from the sounds of this set up.
Xo
