Cut with Anavar or Tren?

[initialize]

I've used both before during growth phases.

Which one would be better for cutting? Or perhaps even both?

On a related topic, how good is GH for cutting? I've never used it, but I'm afraid of growing all my organs

 

[BigTomJ]

neither, cut on TRT and focus on optimizing health metrics to better prepare to properly blast with a surplus to grow.

 

[Intrepid]

Based on the questions you're asking, you're not ready for tren. Test+ var would be plenty to preserve muscle

 

[initialize]

Based on the questions you're asking, you're not ready for tren. Test+ var would be plenty to preserve muscle

Even though I've used tren before and handled it well? Lol

 

[BigTomJ]

Even though I've used tren before and handled it well? Lol

yes, theres no point of wasting drugs for a fatloss phase.

You wont have the caloric surpluss necessary to really allow the extra compounds to aid in building new muscle tissue, and trt is plenty for pretty much anyone to maintain their muscle tissue even in a long cut.

Meaning running anything above trt for a fatloss phase is almost entirely pointless in nearly all situations. Youre just wasting drugs for them to do nothing for your long term improvement.

 

[initialize]

Thank you gents!

I definitely have no interest in using it, but out of curiosity how come I saw several people in another recent "cutting" thread suggest taking GH during a cut?

 

[narta]

running anything above trt for a fatloss phase is almost entirely pointless in nearly all situations.

You mean all those "prep goes pedal to the medal gear wise" is false advertising and all those fuckers on stage do it wrong?

 

[Great_Snake]

You mean all those "prep goes pedal to the medal gear wise" is false advertising and all those fuckers on stage do it wrong?

Yeah this honestly confuses the shit out of me.

I'm not an expert, I openly admit that, but some people say use little to no drugs while cutting, but all the best looking guys use THE MOST drugs while cutting.

So which is it?

I'm in a roughly -200 calorie deficit right now and using 1000mg of mixed roids, I've been called everything from a genius to an idiot for doing this, but Im liking the results, so am I stupid?

 

[bjjgear]

There's nothing stupid or unprecedented about pushing the drugs during a cut. The purpose of doing so is to hang on to your gains in a deficit and when you can't go as hard in the gym. AAS play an absolutely critical role in a cutting scenario. I would far more readily reduce AAS and simply up the food during a mass gain phase.

 

[narta]

I know first hand you grow on food and slin and some gear and cut on gear.

 

[BigTomJ]

You mean all those "prep goes pedal to the medal gear wise" is false advertising and all those fuckers on stage do it wrong?

we both know a casual cut for some fat loss and a competition prep are very different things.

competition prep is going to be pushing way beyond normal fat loss phase BF levels to a point where catabolism is unavoidable, where the increased AAS load does actually aid in muscle retention, but even still 1/2 the drugs used in prep are not for fat loss or to prevent muscle loss, they are used for a specific cosmetic effect.

If you want a cosmetic effect in the results of your cut for a short while, then sure, by all means run some extra stuff, but when we are talking about strictly a fat loss phase to clean up a bit its motly unnecessary.
You arent going to grow while youre cutting, and you arent going to lose any muscle in a cut with just trt in almost all cases, so going crazy with multiple compounds is just spinning your wheels and not taking advantage of the benefits of the cut in the first place.
To get health in order, insulin sensitivity reset, digestion fixed, appetite fixed, ect to prepare for your growth phase.

 

[BigTomJ]

Yeah this honestly confuses the shit out of me.

I'm not an expert, I openly admit that, but some people say use little to no drugs while cutting, but all the best looking guys use THE MOST drugs while cutting.

cutting and contest prep are not the same thing

So which is it?

I'm in a roughly -200 calorie deficit right now and using 1000mg of mixed roids, I've been called everything from a genius to an idiot for doing this, but Im liking the results, so am I stupid?

no one here is your daddy, you can do what whatever you want without anyones permission or approval.
It is my belief that those drugs would be better used in a growth phase and the health impacts to gain very little muscle are not worth it for me.
If your personal risk profile is okay with it have at it, but i would bet that your results at the end of your cut would be indistinguishable whether you blasted or just cruised during your cutting phase.

 

[narta]

cutting and contest prep are not the same thing

The only thing that separates the two is that the former doesn't need to hit peak conditioning in a specific time. Both can utilize the same tools.

 

[UncleBuns]

For just basic cutting fat some testosterone and if you like GH. Cruise/low moderate doses will work fine. Standard deficit and keep training volume and intensity at your normal level and you're GTG. If you need to cut for maximum visual appeal like photography or a contest then other drugs will be useful but it's not worth the money/health effects just for a run of the mill fat reduction.

 

[DECLAN]

I thought the answer is always TREN lmao.

 

[UncleBuns]

The only thing that separates the two is that the former doesn't need to hit peak conditioning in a specific time. Both can utilize the same tools.

Maybe if you really have to cut a significant amount in a narrower window than is optimal other drugs could be worth it. Using a legit blast for cutting Is going to add significantly more negative health impact overall that probably isn't necessary. Some guys want to look super juiced all the time or are impatient so they will use more compounds than necessary just to speed progress a little bit. Doesn't seem worth the negative consequences.

I guess it's just a personal choice of risk versus reward.

 

[narta]

Maybe if you really have to cut a significant amount in a narrower window than is optimal other drugs could be worth it. Using a legit blast for cutting Is going to add significantly more negative health impact overall that probably isn't necessary. Some guys want to look super juiced all the time or are impatient so they will use more compounds than necessary just to speed progress a little bit. Doesn't seem worth the negative consequences.

I guess it's just a personal choice of risk versus reward.

Anything we do is risk reward. That doesn't change the facts.

 

[UncleBuns]

Anything we do is risk reward. That doesn't change the facts.

That's true but it's a sliding scale. The negative health impacts over time of using Tren for cutting are significant and add up. Unless you are going to make good money from doing this, what's the point of harming your organs and your brain just so you look cool in the mirror? Obviously some people think it's worth it, but the reward is just some personal satisfaction and the risk is quite significant compared to just using a reasonable test dose and some GH.

 

[BigTomJ]

The only thing that separates the two is that the former doesn't need to hit peak conditioning in a specific time. Both can utilize the same tools.

I fully agree that they can use the same tools, I just don't believe all the same tools are as necessary. Most people "cutting" will never come anywhere close to peak conditioning.

Do you really think people need 3 injectables and 2 orals just to get to 10% bf?

 

[narta]

Do you really think people need 3 injectables and 2 orals just to get to 10% bf?

No, but personally, I don't thing contestants need halo and winstrol to be peeled. But if they can do it "easier" and their personal risk reward ratio is ok, why not?