Cutting BF %

[jJjburton]

I have hear many things, about cutting BF percentage. I want to know the real way to get BF lowered. In college I studied exercise science and I am still in school, going to major in this. I take great classes in literally the best school devoted to this major. But I haven't fully learned everything perfect and new studies come out everyday.

I have learned in school the best way to cut body fat is exercising at a low intensity for 2 plus hours. This is because fat has a caloric index of 9 so it takes longer to get into fat deposits around the body. Exercise for 30 minutes to 1 hr30 minutes only will cut into carbohydrate deposits(Protein and Carbs caloric index of 4).

Is there other ways that actually cut fat?

How about 100% Caffeine preworkout? Is there anything that says this helps with BF or just increase energy?

Does Yohimbine do anything?

Can you cut body fat while bulking up?

Clen, DNP and Arbuterol is not really what I want to know about. I know these work. I am interested in them but I want to know more along lines of non substance. Except caffeine and Yohimbine.

 

[jJjburton]

I think you can cut BF while bulking up by doing the 2 hrs plus exercise tactic. I know that 2 plus hours is 100% effective on cutting body fat when done at low intensity.

 

[Docd187123]

I think you can cut BF while bulking up by doing the 2 hrs plus exercise tactic. I know that 2 plus hours is 100% effective on cutting body fat when done at low intensity.

No it's not

 

[jJjburton]

No it's not

It's not what? effective?

 

[Docd187123]

I have hear many things, about cutting BF percentage. I want to know the real way to get BF lowered. In college I studied exercise science and I am still in school, going to major in this. I take great classes in literally the best school devoted to this major. But I haven't fully learned everything perfect and new studies come out everyday.

I have learned in school the best way to cut body fat is exercising at a low intensity for 2 plus hours. This is because fat has a caloric index of 9 so it takes longer to get into fat deposits around the body. Exercise for 30 minutes to 1 hr30 minutes only will cut into carbohydrate deposits(Protein and Carbs caloric index of 4).

Is there other ways that actually cut fat?

How about 100% Caffeine preworkout? Is there anything that says this helps with BF or just increase energy?

Can you cut body fat while bulking up?

Clen, DNP and Arbuterol is not really what I want to know about. I know these work. I am interested in them but I want to know more along lines of non substance. Except caffeine and there is something that starts with a Y. I can't find it, it's like yamin or something?

You should seek out a new school IMO. The way to cut fat is simple....eat less calories than you burn and get adequate protein intake. Period. Exercising over two hours won't burn any extra fat over working out 4-half hour sessions.

 

[Docd187123]

It's not what? effective?

The whole post is a mess and I'm not saying that to be a dick.

You cannot cut BF% overall while bulking unless you're a newb or on tren maybe. Bulking requires an excess of calories losing body fat requires a deficit of calories. 2hrs of low intensity excercise will do exactly nothing towards cutting body fat if you're still eating in a surplus. And low intensity exercise doesn't lower body fat any better or worse than high intensity or medium intensity.

 

[jJjburton]

The use of muscle substrate during physical activity has no relevance to 24-h substrate oxidation, energy expenditure, weight management or body composition.[2] High-intensity exercise depletes muscular glycogen stores and leads to higher postexercise fat oxidation.[3, 4] Conversely, low-intensity exercise with high-fat oxidation is followed by increased postexercise carbohydrate oxidation, compared with a high-intensity exercise condition. This means that high-fat oxidation during exercise is followed by low postexercise fat oxidation and vice versa. Total physical activity energy expenditure, regardless of the intensity and substrate utilization, is therefore the important factor for energy balance and weight management. It is a pity that Dumotier et al. [1] did not have a 3-4 h follow-up, since this might have lead to a slightly different general conclusion.

Source Citation (MLA 7th Edition)
Fogelholm, M. "Exercise, substrate oxidation and energy balance." International Journal of Obesity 30.6 (2006): 1022. Academic OneFile. Web. 27 Oct. 2015.


@Docd187123 so this is what you mean. This is from my schools library online database. So I think this means. During low intensity exercise you burn more fat. But post exercise you don't burn as much fat from it as high intensity. But post exercise from high intensity you burn more fat. But not during? Am I reading this right a simple yes or no will do.

 

[jJjburton]

That is why I brought it up was looking for some help/motivation to find out myself.

 

[Docd187123]

The use of muscle substrate during physical activity has no relevance to 24-h substrate oxidation, energy expenditure, weight management or body composition.[2] High-intensity exercise depletes muscular glycogen stores and leads to higher postexercise fat oxidation.[3, 4] Conversely, low-intensity exercise with high-fat oxidation is followed by increased postexercise carbohydrate oxidation, compared with a high-intensity exercise condition. This means that high-fat oxidation during exercise is followed by low postexercise fat oxidation and vice versa. Total physical activity energy expenditure, regardless of the intensity and substrate utilization, is therefore the important factor for energy balance and weight management. It is a pity that Dumotier et al. [1] did not have a 3-4 h follow-up, since this might have lead to a slightly different general conclusion.

Source Citation (MLA 7th Edition)
Fogelholm, M. "Exercise, substrate oxidation and energy balance." International Journal of Obesity 30.6 (2006): 1022. Academic OneFile. Web. 27 Oct. 2015.


@Docd187123 so this is what you mean. This is from my schools library online database. So I think this means. During low intensity exercise you burn more fat. But post exercise you don't burn as much fat from it as high intensity. But post exercise from high intensity you burn more fat. But not during? Am I reading this right a simple yes or no will do.

Yes that's basically what it boils down to. The substrate used for the activity can be thought of as irrelevant bc it's total energy expenditure which is important. The key point of your quote:

"Total physical activity energy expenditure, regardless of the intensity and substrate utilization, is therefore the important factor for energy balance and weight management."

 

[jJjburton]

Daym DNP seems to be the shit when it come down to it. I am not looking to do that because I am on cycle. Yohimbine seemed to do a little I think I am going to buy that and caffeine. Caffeine is just for energy it has very little effect on fat. But if I work harder then I will burn fat so that works. I am going to take 20 mg yohimbine one article did this for 21 days. 200mg yhombine supposedly only equals 4 mg-g8 mg because of a flawed extracting process. But I am bulking I am going to wait til I am cutting.

 

[Switcher]

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

There is nothing new on this earth.

 

[RodgerThat]

If you do fasted cardio in the morning and HIIT after your workouts 4 times a week the weight seems to just all off, thats for me at least. My science behind this..... ummm works for me? I also like doing a keto diet (not for everyone) love eating that way as carbs tend to make me feel like shit. So ya boiled down i do fasted cardio on a keto diet and hiit 4 times a week.

 

[Switcher]

If you do fasted cardio in the morning and HIIT after your workouts 4 times a week the weight seems to just all off, thats for me at least. My science behind this..... ummm works for me? I also like doing a keto diet (not for everyone) love eating that way as carbs tend to make me feel like shit. So ya boiled down i do fasted cardio on a keto diet and hiit 4 times a week.

If the keto diet works for you, go with it. My TRT Doc has advised me moving that way as well.

 

[D-Ballin]

If you do fasted cardio in the morning and HIIT after your workouts 4 times a week the weight seems to just all off, thats for me at least. My science behind this..... ummm works for me? I also like doing a keto diet (not for everyone) love eating that way as carbs tend to make me feel like shit. So ya boiled down i do fasted cardio on a keto diet and hiit 4 times a week.

Great advice there. The dual cardio is huge, it takes fat off you faster than any other training regimen.

And I don't like full keto. But carbs are where my deficit comes from. They're my diet variable.

 

[jJjburton]

I have started doing cardio in the morning and it is great. Has anyone get shin pumps lol. The muscle above my shin is pumped up so bad I have to stop. But I cut down 1 or 2 %.

 

[RodgerThat]

Ya I get the shin pumps a lot it's hard to get enough patasioum on my diet so I supplement with that and 3 grams of taurine for every hour I plan to be working out (total arbitrary number I have no idea what I'm talking about scientifically just know that's what works or me). Full keto is pretty sweet life besides the fact that you have to avoid Refuse food at social gatherings because you can't really deviat and stay in the deep keto state.

 

[flenser]

Most keto diets aren't really keto. BBs especially tend to eat way too much protein. You need close to 70% fat to drop into ketosis, and you will definitely lose muscle while you are in (at least without aas). When I was in to mountain biking I used ketosis to do exactly that. I wanted to lose both fat and muscle; anything to get lighter.

 

[RodgerThat]

I run 60% fat 35% protein and 5% carbs (usually less then that actually) I defiantly do not lose muscle while in ketosis. Your body is in its most anabolic state when in keto if your not on AAS. The only reason you'd lose muscle is if you were in a deep calorie deficit and didn't keep your protein at around 1g per pound of bw.

 

[jJjburton]

So if I were to do this when cutting, how long should somebody do this to get best results? Ketosis only work's for short times right. That's almost the strict definition of the word.

 

[RodgerThat]

If your body is in ketosis the only thing bringing it out is carbs so you can be in in defiantly. But if you're just looking to lose like 10-15 pounds then 8 weeks should do it. Also once you start getting into keto the scale moves very fast but that's only cause you're body isn't holding as much water. If my goal weight is like 180 I'll cut to about 173 because I'll gain about 7 pounds in water the first week I'm back on carbs.