Cycle advice

[Aheio]

Hello guys,

I’m getting ready to get my cycle in order and wanted to hear from you veterans any advice or tips for the following.

I’m 23 have a couple low dose cycle under my belt. First one was getting in slow see how I react and getting my virgin muscles used to pinning (250 test cyp for 12 weeks). I followed that with 4 week pct clomid 100eod & tamoxifen 50 everyday week one and two. Week 3 and 4 clomid 50 eod and 25 tamoxifen everyday. Felt great had put on 15 pounds which some was water and nitrogen retention. But over all gains and strength was ok. Diet and training were about 80% through this cycle. (bulking)

Second cycle was (400 test cyp and 50mg Anavar for 10 weeks)
followed that with 4 week pct clomid 100ed & tamoxifen 50 everyday week one and two. Week 3 and 4 clomid 50 ed and 25 tamoxifen everyday. Diet and training was at 100%. Got in the best shape Ive ever been in. (Cutting)

All this being said I did some mistakes first I started a cut after my first bulk and didn’t let my body take some time with the new muscle i built and being that Im 6’2 I need a lot more muscle for my frame. Second mistake was that for my second cycle I got my pct of a sarm/peptide website which I now know it was bunk. I ended up with some small gyno. Also since I had no real sourcing I got my gear through those new “trt/alternative medice” sites and prices were off the fucken roof. $320 for my first cycle and $450 for my second. I am now hoping to get a good ugl source.

My next cycle I thinking about
500 test sus
250-300 NPP
Frontloading or backloading anadrol.

I will be running some tamox and will keep some caber in hand.

Since I don’t have any previous experiences with neither npp or anadrol my question to all of you is.
What other things could I do to mitigate side from androl interaction with estrogen?
Have any of you experience any ed from npp? If so what did you do to combat that?
Would it be more beneficial to front or back load anadrol?
Lastly pct.. I was running hcg with my previous cycles but never used it in pct should I also include it or should I stay with clomid/nolva?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Canknucklehead]

Front load the anadrol

I prefer AI over nolva with anadrol... adex or arom

No ED from NPP for me... use the caber if that happens to you. Shouldn’t with your dose

HCG is beneficial if you can afford it.

Questions...
1. How long are you running this cycle?

2. Is it a clean bulk? Just guessing from your introduction.

Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[Aheio]

Front load the anadrol

I prefer AI over nolva with anadrol... adex or arom

No ED from NPP for me... use the caber if that happens to you. Shouldn’t with your dose

HCG is beneficial if you can afford it.

Questions...
1. How long are you running this cycle?

2. Is it a clean bulk? Just guessing from your introduction.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Thanks!

I’m thinking 8-12 weeks might run the anadrol, npp & test for 8. Drop the anadrol at week 8 continue week 9 and 10 npp & test. Drop npp and run test 2 more weeks. Just thinking about waiting 2-3 weeks before staring pct.

Yes! Want to put on more size and strength.

I will!

 

[Canknucklehead]

I would do it 12. If you want to kick it up a notch do anadrol week 1-4 and 8-12

 

[Aheio]

I would do it 12. If you want to kick it up a notch do anadrol week 1-4 and 8-12

Make great sense. What dose would you do that with should I start of lower and then increase or viceversa? Or should I keep it at one dose?

 

[Canknucklehead]

First time on anadrol? Start with 50 see how you handle that... highest I would take it is 100. But try 50 to start.

 

[MR_Midas]

Hello guys,

I’m getting ready to get my cycle in order and wanted to hear from you veterans any advice or tips for the following.

I’m 23 have a couple low dose cycle under my belt. First one was getting in slow see how I react and getting my virgin muscles used to pinning (250 test cyp for 12 weeks). I followed that with 4 week pct clomid 100eod & tamoxifen 50 everyday week one and two. Week 3 and 4 clomid 50 eod and 25 tamoxifen everyday. Felt great had put on 15 pounds which some was water and nitrogen retention. But over all gains and strength was ok. Diet and training were about 80% through this cycle. (bulking)

Second cycle was (400 test cyp and 50mg Anavar for 10 weeks)
followed that with 4 week pct clomid 100ed & tamoxifen 50 everyday week one and two. Week 3 and 4 clomid 50 ed and 25 tamoxifen everyday. Diet and training was at 100%. Got in the best shape Ive ever been in. (Cutting)

All this being said I did some mistakes first I started a cut after my first bulk and didn’t let my body take some time with the new muscle i built and being that Im 6’2 I need a lot more muscle for my frame. Second mistake was that for my second cycle I got my pct of a sarm/peptide website which I now know it was bunk. I ended up with some small gyno. Also since I had no real sourcing I got my gear through those new “trt/alternative medice” sites and prices were off the fucken roof. $320 for my first cycle and $450 for my second. I am now hoping to get a good ugl source.

My next cycle I thinking about
500 test sus
250-300 NPP
Frontloading or backloading anadrol.

I will be running some tamox and will keep some caber in hand.

Since I don’t have any previous experiences with neither npp or anadrol my question to all of you is.
What other things could I do to mitigate side from androl interaction with estrogen?
Have any of you experience any ed from npp? If so what did you do to combat that?
Would it be more beneficial to front or back load anadrol?
Lastly pct.. I was running hcg with my previous cycles but never used it in pct should I also include it or should I stay with clomid/nolva?

Thanks in advance!

It's a very bad idea to do hcg on pct. You need to take hcg for 3 weeks of the course, but you should not do it on PCT. My opinion.

 

[Aheio]

It's a very bad idea to do hcg on pct. You need to take hcg for 3 weeks of the course, but you should not do it on PCT. My opinion.

Yeah thats what I’ve found in my research. But I see some of old school guys quoting pct protocols with hcg. I know my lh and fsh wont be restored with hcg on top so I was just curious to why some people use it in pct.

 

[MR_Midas]

Yeah thats what I’ve found in my research. But I see some of old school guys quoting pct protocols with hcg. I know my lh and fsh wont be restored with hcg on top so I was just curious to why some people use it in pct.

I am sure that this is a relic of the past, I also saw this in the old school. But now there seems to be a different approach.

 

[Aheio]

I am sure that this is a relic of the past, I also saw this in the old school. But now there seems to be a different approach.

Yeah agreed!

 

[MR_Midas]

Yeah agreed!

It is very good that sports science and medicine are developing and we can increase the efficiency of application and preservation of our health.

 

[Aheio]

It is very good that sports science and medicine are developing and we can increase the efficiency of application and preservation of our health.

I think we are getting to a point we’re technologically and science is getting very advance. I believe there’s enough out there that there’s ways to get to great outcomes with less harm to our health.

 

[MR_Midas]

Most importantly, each of us can turn to a sports doctor, an endocrinologist, who will monitor our tests and, taking into account our drugs, correct our health, this is very great.

 

[Aheio]

Most importantly, each of us can turn to a sports doctor, an endocrinologist, who will monitor our tests and, taking into account our drugs, correct our health, this is very great.

I have yet to find a good sports doctor. My previous doc was no good. I went in after I got my blood work for a check up and was honest about what I was doing. He bashed me and told me to stop for an hour. Then proceeded to recommend me with a therapist. Worst experience.

 

[ftaro]

Thanks!

I’m thinking 8-12 weeks might run the anadrol, npp & test for 8. Drop the anadrol at week 8 continue week 9 and 10 npp & test. Drop npp and run test 2 more weeks. Just thinking about waiting 2-3 weeks before staring pct.

Yes! Want to put on more size and strength.

I will!

If you’re planning on using nandrolone (or any 19-nors for that matter), you should strongly consider adopting the blast and cruise life instead of PCT’ing. These drugs can suppress your natural hormonal production for a loooong time after use, even up to 18 months in some studies. There’s a bunch of evidence online, here’s one I just found:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21884791/

with the main point being:
Even after six months LH and FSH were both suppressed. Some individuals had a sustained suppression of LH and FSH for a period of 1 year. LH and FSH recovery was correlated to the urinary level of the Nandrolone metabolite 19-Norandrosterone (19-NA). 19-NA was detectable for several months after the last Nandrolone administration. There was a large variation between individuals‘ excretion rate. Some individuals still tested positive a full yearafter their last dose, with continuing suppression of HPTA axis gonadotropins, LH and FSH

 

[Aheio]

If you’re planning on using nandrolone (or any 19-nors for that matter), you should strongly consider adopting the blast and cruise life instead of PCT’ing. These drugs can suppress your natural hormonal production for a loooong time after use, even up to 18 months in some studies. There’s a bunch of evidence online, here’s one I just found:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21884791/

with the main point being:
Even after six months LH and FSH were both suppressed. Some individuals had a sustained suppression of LH and FSH for a period of 1 year. LH and FSH recovery was correlated to the urinary level of the Nandrolone metabolite 19-Norandrosterone (19-NA). 19-NA was detectable for several months after the last Nandrolone administration. There was a large variation between individuals‘ excretion rate. Some individuals still tested positive a full yearafter their last dose, with continuing suppression of HPTA axis gonadotropins, LH and FSH

Thank you for this information.

I did consider this since I will more than likely do a second big cycle this year. Might end up maybe dropping to trt.

 

[MR_Midas]

I have yet to find a good sports doctor. My previous doc was no good. I went in after I got my blood work for a check up and was honest about what I was doing. He bashed me and told me to stop for an hour. Then proceeded to recommend me with a therapist. Worst experience.

Yes, finding a good doctor is important, and you're right, it's not that easy. But if you find it, the level of work is different.

 

[DirtyCurt425]

Just run 600 test and the anadrol and keep an ai on hand for high E if it happens. No need to keep adding in compounds that early and young. Just eat more. Your 23 dude.If you gonna get on trt anyway than just see how running 500-600 test for 4-6 months and put size on and then cut after.

 

[Aheio]

Just run 600 test and the anadrol and keep an ai on hand for high E if it happens. No need to keep adding in compounds that early and young. Just eat more. Your 23 dude.If you gonna get on trt anyway than just see how running 500-600 test for 4-6 months and put size on and then cut after.

Makes sense I’ll keep it in mind.

 

[MR_Midas]

Makes sense I’ll keep it in mind.

In fact, they gave you good advice that you need to eat more. And not to add drugs is very competent advice.