Cycle help?

[CGW]

Cycle / bloodwork advice needed​

Running a recomp cycle of 500 test / 300 primo / 200 mast / 4iu HGH / 2mg reta per week.

Injecting glutes every other day currently for stability. Why is my test so much lower than I think it should be? When I was running 160 test on TRT I was around 1350 total / 350 free.

Any advice on tweaking my stack? Strength during the recomp has been solid, lean gains are coming on fast.

total test - 1705
free test - 472

RBC count - 5.4
hematocrit - 50.4

prolactin - 9.4

estradiol - 36

IGF 1 LC/MS - 496

Z score - 3.0


Some have said the test has to be underdosed. - its from a respected source and the brand is Pharmacom.


36 y/o, 215ish lbs, 22-24% body fat currently - lipids panel not in here because the lab order didn't have it on there - going to get that redone next week.

 

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Cycle / bloodwork advice needed​

Running a recomp cycle of 500 test / 300 primo / 200 mast / 4iu HGH / 2mg reta per week.

Injecting glutes every other day currently for stability. Why is my test so much lower than I think it should be? When I was running 160 test on TRT I was around 1350 total / 350 free.

Any advice on tweaking my stack? Strength during the recomp has been solid, lean gains are coming on fast.

total test - 1705
free test - 472

RBC count - 5.4
hematocrit - 50.4

prolactin - 9.4

estradiol - 36

IGF 1 LC/MS - 496

Z score - 3.0


Some have said the test has to be underdosed. - its from a respected source and the brand is Pharmacom.


36 y/o, 215ish lbs, 22-24% body fat currently - lipids panel not in here because the lab order didn't have it on there - going to get that redone next week.

Why are you blasting on a recomp at 22-25 percent body fat? Your tweak should be trt level test, GH is okay and cut some body fat down then go back into a lean growth phase.

 

[adrenalytic]

Too much, too fat. Get on a GLP-1 and get down to 12% before you blast or you'll be back here wondering why you look like the Michelin man with bitch tits.

 

[CGW]

So cut out the primo/mast and lower the test back down?

Why are you blasting on a recomp at 22-25 percent body fat? Your tweak should be trt level test, GH is okay and cut some body fat down then go back into a lean growth phase.

 

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So cut out the primo/mast and lower the test back down?

I would. Primo and mast are much more beneficial at lower body fat. Play the long game. GH and test at 125-150 a week, get the cardio up, diet locked down and training consistent. Get that body fat down to 12 or so then revisit. Just be patient, dont rush it. You’ll see a lot more results if you change the approach and build up from a recomp then trying to build up and come down in a recomp. AAS are much more impactful at a lower body fat as I assume you aren’t trying to be a powerlifter. You can expect to get down to 185-190 to see the body fat range that would be much more ideal to go into a blast. You want to do this for a long time the approach is important. Kudos for doing bloodwork though. Also unless you did a dexa scan your body fat is just a guess. That body fat could be why your test isn’t hitting like it should. Everything is cause and effect.

 

[CGW]

I would. Primo and mast are much more beneficial at lower body fat. Play the long game. GH and test at 125-150 a week, get the cardio up, diet locked down and training consistent. Get that body fat down to 12 or so then revisit. Just be patient, dont rush it. You’ll see a lot more results if you change the approach and build up from a recomp then trying to build up and come down in a recomp. AAS are much more impactful at a lower body fat as I assume you aren’t trying to be a powerlifter. You can expect to get down to 185-190 to see the body fat range that would be much more ideal to go into a blast. You want to do this for a long time the approach is important. Kudos for doing bloodwork though. Also unless you did a dexa scan your body fat is just a guess. That body fat could be why your test isn’t hitting like it should. Everything is cause and effect.

thank you for the friendly advice man. I guess I got some more work to do.

 

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thank you for the friendly advice man. I guess I got some more work to do.

It’s okay brother. We’ve all been there. Smart things you’ve done. Bloodwork, milder AAS, asked for advice. You didn’t jump on the tren train and that should be for later or not at all if possible. Keep this thread going plenty of folks will help (some will be asses regardless). We can talk diet and training also. It’s much easier to help someone when they are open minded. Save that expensive primo and mast for when you will get the most out of it. Heck get the body fat down and we can talk a nice growth cycle that don’t use those expensive ones and can still be milder. Look into Reta it’s a nice tool for recomp and still lets you eat well and pairs nice with GH.

 

[CGW]

It’s okay brother. We’ve all been there. Smart things you’ve done. Bloodwork, milder AAS, asked for advice. You didn’t jump on the tren train and that should be for later or not at all if possible. Keep this thread going plenty of folks will help (some will be asses regardless). We can talk diet and training also. It’s much easier to help someone when they are open minded. Save that expensive primo and mast for when you will get the most out of it. Heck get the body fat down and we can talk a nice growth cycle that don’t use those expensive ones and can still be milder. Look into Reta it’s a nice tool for recomp and still lets you eat well and pairs nice with GH.

shit ill take you up on the training advice and diet - im using macrofactor to track everything food related. currently only eating 2038 calories 204g protein/45g fat/200g carbs. i eat hella clean aside from one meal a week when the wife wants to eat out. my training routine is 6 days right now. i use hevy for that. curious as to what you got for me. thanks again. im currently running Reta 2mg a week.

the curls on the 2nd back and biceps day are super setted as well(the color line next to the exercise means its superset) it just didn't show it for some reason.

 

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shit ill take you up on the training advice and diet - im using macrofactor to track everything food related. currently only eating 2038 calories 204g protein/45g fat/200g carbs. i eat hella clean aside from one meal a week when the wife wants to eat out. my training routine is 6 days right now. i use hevy for that. curious as to what you got for me. thanks again. im currently running Reta 2mg a week.

the curls on the 2nd back and biceps day are super setted as well(the color line next to the exercise means its superset) it just didn't show it for some reason.

What’s your training experience before we dive into suggestions? Novice, intermediate etc… what training principles are you familiar with or have done? Don’t be worried about someone being an ass this is what this place is for and we don’t see much of it anymore so it’s refreshing. Knowing your experience is helpful looking at your workout as it seems more for someone with a tad more experience…. crawl, walk, run

 

[CGW]

What’s your training experience before we dive into suggestions? Novice, intermediate etc… what training principles are you familiar with or have done? Don’t be worried about someone being an ass this is what this place is for and we don’t see much of it anymore so it’s refreshing. Knowing your experience is helpful looking at your workout as it seems more for someone with a tad more experience…. crawl, walk, run

late intermediate. took a long break due to personal life shit and ruined my physique. i get through these in about an hour to an hour and 10 mins and progress weekly on weight on the main lifts. recover quick. i can post some current stats if you want?

principles im familiar with are overload, progression, reversibility, time under tension, specificity, variation. i also don't shy away at half reps during working sets if im close to failure. full disclosure - i designed this routine.

not worried about anyone being an ass - tough love is still love.


edit; posted my main lift stats. this is 5-6 months being back into bodybuilding. gonna add 5-10lbs to each next week.

 

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late intermediate. took a long break due to personal life shit and ruined my physique. i get through these in about an hour to an hour and 10 mins and progress weekly on weight on the main lifts. recover quick. i can post some current stats if you want?

principles im familiar with are overload, progression, reversibility, time under tension, specificity, variation. i also don't shy away at half reps during working sets if im close to failure. full disclosure - i designed this routine.

not worried about anyone being an ass - tough love is still love.

We can do some stats. My concern looking at this leads me to a question. Is this the workout you jumped back in on coming from your long break? I ask because initially you might be okay but if you didn’t work your way back up correctly with certain accessory pieces you’ll start getting little aches and pains that might set you back. What sort of other things do you do to help? Foam rolling, warm up sequences etc… and what is the cardio schedule? I see it but what is the intensity

 

[CGW]

We can do some stats. My concern looking at this leads me to a question. Is this the workout you jumped back in on coming from your long break? I ask because initially you might be okay but if you didn’t work your way back up correctly with certain accessory pieces you’ll start getting little aches and pains that might set you back. What sort of other things do you do to help? Foam rolling, warm up sequences etc… and what is the cardio schedule? I see it but what is the intensity

oh hell no. i started back out with 3x full body and really light. went into upper lower from there then progressed into PPLRPPL until i felt bored. this is where i landed and im loving every session. cardio im hitting incline on treadmill 3-4 days a week at 3.5mph for 30 mins a session. usually in the mornings before work. strength training is evenings after work. sauna usually follows to aid recovering.
i get no aches or pains. i was very careful working up to where im at routine wise. i've been injured in the past - not severely but i lost 4 months to healing.


i always warm up with a bare barbell before my main lifts start and progress the weight to my working sets - so the last 3 sets of my main lifts are my working sets currently. ill do 60% of working weight -> 80%-> working weight for 3 sets


threw my stats in on my other post

 

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oh hell no. i started back out with 3x full body and really light. went into upper lower from there then progressed into PPLRPPL until i felt bored. this is where i landed and im loving every session. cardio im hitting incline on treadmill 3-4 days a week at 3.5mph for 30 mins a session. usually in the mornings before work. strength training is evenings after work. sauna usually follows to aid recovering.
i get no aches or pains. i was very careful working up to where im at routine wise. i've been injured in the past - not severely but i lost 4 months to healing.


threw my stats in on my other post

I’ll look at the stats. I’ve gotta do a few things and hit the gym myself and circle back later or in the morning. Digital stuff is wild now I still use a notebook. I have all my notebooks for the last 10 years still. Things look solid though. Maybe a tweak or two. Two more things what’s been the weight loss progression since you started per week? Keep in mind one piece about gaining and losing and that is our body composition is more important than the number on the scale. The scale is a great tool for decisions in certain aspects. I can be a 190 pound tub of poo or 190 pound ball of muscle is what I’ve always liked to tell people on an approach. Also it’s important to set small feasible goals that can be done in months to keep our mind in the game and not get discouraged. So pick two of those. Second piece is we all have genetic potential. We have one without steroids and we have one with steroids. No amount of gear pushes us past our genetic potential. You might be a guy that be 280 lbs at 10 percent BF on AAS or you might be a guy that can only be 230lbs 10 percent BF on AAS that no amount of AAS can push us past and then people get reckless because they don’t or can’t accept that. I’m 49 6’0” and 230-240 is about my cap I’m comfortable with to be safe and live long.

 

[CGW]

I’ll look at the stats. I’ve gotta do a few things and hit the gym myself and circle back later or in the morning. Digital stuff is wild now I still use a notebook. I have all my notebooks for the last 10 years still. Things look solid though. Maybe a tweak or two. Two more things what’s been the weight loss progression since you started per week? Keep in mind one piece about gaining and losing and that is our body composition is more important than the number on the scale. The scale is a great tool for decisions in certain aspects. I can be a 190 pound tub of poo or 190 pound ball of muscle is what I’ve always liked to tell people on an approach. Also it’s important to set small feasible goals that can be done in months to keep our mind in the game and not get discouraged. So pick two of those. Second piece is we all have genetic potential. We have one without steroids and we have one with steroids. No amount of gear pushes us past our genetic potential. You might be a guy that be 280 lbs at 10 percent BF on AAS or you might be a guy that can only be 230lbs 10 percent BF on AAS that no amount of AAS can push us past and then people get reckless because they don’t or can’t accept that. I’m 49 6’0” and 230-240 is about my cap I’m comfortable with to be safe and live long.

have a good workout brother! looking forward to continuing this convo when you circle back. try out hevy man. its a game changer. no subscription for the free one.

average weight loss since i started Reta has been about 1lbs a week sometimes 1.2-1.5lbs.