Dbol and Var together?

@BullBearPig I would go with test + primo. its the most side effect free and it gives real gains, not temporary water and glycogen crap like dbol does. problem is gonna be finding actual real primo. masteron is gonna shred your hair if you care about that, npp/tren is gonna make you limp dicked, eq boldenone might make you anxious and depressed. Primo is hands down the best, ment is a decent alternative, but youd have to find ment Enanthate ideally and you'd have to run alot of anti estrogen alongside the ment
Untrue post -suse effects are possibilities - u are giving extremely poor advice and I read too much bull crap - beehive me
 
Untrue post -suse effects are possibilities - u are giving extremely poor advice and I read too much bull crap - beehive me
Well, I like primo. But it's more for keeping gains than getting gains IMO. It has a very strong anti-catabolic effect and a very weak anabolic effect. 400mg of it for a newbie should have some effect though. I wouldn't expect a body transformation. And it will give a dry, full look. It's about as hair safe as masteron though. Dbol makes you feel good but you will get bloat.

I wouldn't be recommending ment. How much research is there out there for it? At least primo and var are sometimes prescribed. And tren doesn't make you limp dicked... very much the opposite.

I have done 250 test and 200 primo weekly, and 10mg var 3x/week pre-workout for roughly 4 months while cruising, and gained 2-3 lbs during that time (which I think was probably fat) but didn't lose any muscle and lab results were a-ok. My hemoglobin jumped from 15 to 17.5 though, which is alarmingly high. That's primo for ya. Your results will vary.

It kinda sounds like the OP needs to lose weight though.
 
@BullBearPig I would go with test + primo. its the most side effect free and it gives real gains, not temporary water and glycogen crap like dbol does. problem is gonna be finding actual real primo. masteron is gonna shred your hair if you care about that, npp/tren is gonna make you limp dicked, eq boldenone might make you anxious and depressed. Primo is hands down the best, ment is a decent alternative, but youd have to find ment Enanthate ideally and you'd have to run alot of anti estrogen alongside the ment
Now this is much better advice
 
kinda sounds like the OP needs to lose weight though.
I have shit genetics. I was 6'2" 165lbs my whole life... Even in the marine corps as an 0311 in my late teens early 20s. I was skinny as shit but yet still had love handles. Mid section is where I store ALL my fat. At least now at 235lbs I have bulk in my upper and lower body to make my mid section not look so bad. I've accepted that I'll never be a fitness model lol. Anyway, there isn't a chick in the gym that doesn't check me out when I'm in there.
 
I have shit genetics. I was 6'2" 165lbs my whole life... Even in the marine corps as an 0311 in my late teens early 20s. I was skinny as shit but yet still had love handles. Mid section is where I store ALL my fat. At least now at 235lbs I have bulk in my upper and lower body to make my mid section not look so bad. I've accepted that I'll never be a fitness model lol. Anyway, there isn't a chick in the gym that doesn't check me out when I'm in there.
Well, bloat is not an attractive look especially as you get older, but it is temporary. Everybody checks out everybody at the gym so I wouldn't attach meaning to that. I had a girl half my age videotaping me the other week, but it was just because she was at the gym and wanted to post a video of the biggest guy there on her social media story.

Chicks are much, much more attracted to your paycheck than your biceps or smile... it's biologically driven, they have to find someone that will help them raise and provide for their kids.

It kind of sounds like you need to figure out what you want to do with your body, what you can do, and using knowledge and a little experimentation go and do it. You're still at that fact finding and planning phase. But your only experience so far was with dbol, and that's a bloaty bulking, strength drug and you're 235 lbs with love handles.

If your drive is cosmetic driven, I hate to tell ya but the skinny metrosexual look is what's in today. It's not even funny how much that's what women find attractive now.
 
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If your drive is cosmetic driven, I hate to tell ya but the skinny metrosexual look is what's in today. It's not even funny how much that's what women find attractive now.
If you're going after mom jean and gold rimmed big grandpa glasses wearing chicks then yeah. But the chicks who are into fitness and at the gym usually aren't looking for a skinny little metro bitch to date.
 
If you're going after mom jean and gold rimmed big grandpa glasses wearing chicks then yeah. But the chicks who are into fitness and at the gym usually aren't looking for a skinny little metro bitch to date.
In case you haven't noticed, the hot girls at the gym have boyfriends and definately don't talk to the buffed guys at the gym unless they're just being nice. And there are a whole lot of TickTock videos of girls confronting guys staring at them at the gym.

There was a time when Schwarznegger and Stallone were sex icons. Then Brad Pitt and Ben Affleck. Even Channing Tatum and Chris Hemsworth had their time.

But now, think Pete Davidson and Paul Rudd. I mean The Rock has a following but the guys like him a whole lot more than the females. I'm not sure why. I know when Trump became president there was a huge backlash against "toxic masculinity." The me too movement. But also, things just change.

That's not to say that no girls like muscles. Everybody has a type. But it's not what's in right now. And if you have muscles you better be lean if not shredded.
 
In case you haven't noticed, the hot girls at the gym have boyfriends and definately don't talk to the buffed guys at the gym unless they're just being nice. And there are a whole lot of TickTock videos of girls confronting guys staring at them at the gym.

There was a time when Schwarznegger and Stallone were sex icons. Then Brad Pitt and Ben Affleck. Even Channing Tatum and Chris Hemsworth had their time.

But now, think Pete Davidson and Paul Rudd. I mean The Rock has a following but the guys like him a whole lot more than the females. I'm not sure why. I know when Trump became president there was a huge backlash against "toxic masculinity." The me too movement. But also, things just change.

That's not to say that no girls like muscles. Everybody has a type. But it's not what's in right now. And if you have muscles you better be lean if not shredded.
How old are you?
 
In case you haven't noticed, the hot girls at the gym have boyfriends and definately don't talk to the buffed guys at the gym unless they're just being nice. And there are a whole lot of TickTock videos of girls confronting guys staring at them at the gym.

There was a time when Schwarznegger and Stallone were sex icons. Then Brad Pitt and Ben Affleck. Even Channing Tatum and Chris Hemsworth had their time.

But now, think Pete Davidson and Paul Rudd. I mean The Rock has a following but the guys like him a whole lot more than the females. I'm not sure why. I know when Trump became president there was a huge backlash against "toxic masculinity." The me too movement. But also, things just change.

That's not to say that no girls like muscles. Everybody has a type. But it's not what's in right now. And if you have muscles you better be lean if not shredded.
No, I haven't noticed, because I don't go to the gym. I have had a home gym for the last 15-ish years and that is where I STRONGLY prefer to work out at home. I just like it a lot better. I focus better, I get a better lift in. I don't have to wait for machines or weights to be available. It's the best IMO.

No, I don't have an instagram or any of that bullshit. I also had no idea about the ticktock videos of girls confronting guys because I don't fucking look at tick tock lmao. That platform is for children and for people who want to give as much of their personal and home network information as possible to the Chinese government. Why would I waste time on that piece of shit app?

I don't pay attention to what people are saying about masculinity and feminism and all that shit...I just do what I like to do and dress how I like to dress. I do not have a sense of style. I just wear the same clothes I have always worn. I just don't give a fuck what other people think about me.

To summarize the rest of what's below: In short, pop culture may represent some amount of the population, but honestly I don't even think it is a majority. Yeah, a lot of women think Paul Rudd is hot. That doesn't mean they ONLY think guys who look like Paul Rudd are hot. For the other guy, I honestly have no fucking idea who Pete Davidson is. Anyway, most women often have a wide range of guys that they are attracted to and don't have one single type. The same goes for guys. Additionally, you are correct that most women are NOT as attracted to a 250+ pound mass monster as they are to a lean-jacked guy that's 6'2 and 220-230 or something. That ultra peeled bodybuilder look grosses a lot of women out and always has.

You must realize that just because pop culture magazine (or what-the-fuck-ever) says Paul Rudd is the sexiest man alive doesn't mean shit for at least half the population. There will always be a ton of women who say Paul Rudd isn't their type. Or maybe they think he is very attractive, but he isn't the usual type. There's also a psychological aspect of knowing that Paul Rudd is super rich AND he seems like a really nice, genuine, and sweet guy that would treat a girl well. So that plays to his favor as well.
 
Oh I've dated for years, constantly chatted with singles on the dating apps. I also work with a lot of nurses. Awhile back I tried counting how many I slept with and lost count at 75... I'm sure it's over 200 by now of all ages. You get to know what they like and don't like. And, I've gotta say there's probably been no other time in modern history where the big, brawny, masculine, strong silent type has been more frowned upon than today.

But that's not the point. Point was to help the original poster if that was what he was factoring into his goals.

And to reiterate, every girl has a type. One may like the policeman or military guy with his badge, gun and squad car. Another might like the tattoed biker. Another might like the suited investment banker. And another the doctor with scrubs on. No female likes them all. And what I find is the ones I have the best chance with usually had an ex that looked a lot like me right down to the hair color, height and beard length... or a good friend they liked as more, etc. Out of thousands of potentials it makes sense that the ones I match with and end up sleeping with had a type exactly like me.

But also if you want to be attractive in general you don't want to bulk up too much these days or get chubby ;) The beanpole look is in.
 
I just think you and your bodily health would be better off running a higher dose of test and some other injectable than stacking orals. If you don't feel good on high test then you must've had something wrong. Maybe e2 wasn't managed properly. Maybe you had low quality gear.
The big question though is: why do you want this "dry, yet full look"? That look is gonna GO AWAY shortly after you go off cycle. What is your LONG TERM goal here??

Dry, full look... personaly I would go with 500 test, 350 mast, and 40mg per day anavar. Or you could try 140-175 MG MENT per week (20-25 MG per day) on top of 350 mast P. That will have you dry and fjll for sure, with the sex drive of a 17 year old kid at his first house party. Otherwise if you're dead set on orals for some reason, then consider to do dbol for a few weeks then switch to anavar, but personally I just think stacking orals is not a good thing to do. Figure out how to make test and other compounds work well for you rather than stacking more toxic orals.

Injectable will allow you to keep that temporary look for longer, because you run them for much longer. Orals can only be taken for a few weeks, so what do you get? A couple weeks of looking awesome before you have to stop and go off and look normal again? Hopefully you made good, keepable gains, but still...most guys here with experience will tell you that it IS NOT WORTH IT.

You are still new to cycling. You should avoid doing damage to your body as much as possible. Are you trying to compete someday as a BBer or a PLer? Do you just want to look huge? What is your long term goal?
Good advice. I love mast but it gives me horrible zits, like I'm a teenager again. Haha...there is nothing that can stop these zits.
 
Im going to run my 2nd cycle of dbol and was thinking of throwing in some anavar to see how they work together. Never done Var before. I know 2 orals in one cycle is frowned upon but Var isn't very hepatoxic and I'll be taking liver support.

My other cycle of dbol was at 30mg/day and I got good results from it and didn't experience many sides. My question is if I should take the 2 together or do the dbol first and start the var after the dbol is done.

The cycle will be 250mg test c/week 6 weeks then back down to my trt dose.
20mg dbol/day 6weeks
40 mg anavar/day 8 weeks
1mg arimidex/week
Tudca throughout the cycle

I don't feel good on high test and I don't want to do a huge blast, that's why the dosages are quite small.
Use test prop, 6 weeks is really a waste for test en
 
I wasn’t sure if it was the NPP or mast that gave me cystic acne..

I’ll be so sad if it was mast. I’m going to test
Get some accutane if you really need it.

I used to get acne, now I'm almost pimple free for years afterwards. Was a great investment.
 
Get some accutane if you really need it.

I used to get acne, now I'm almost pimple free for years afterwards. Was a great investment.
I was thinking of it at the time thankfully time let it go away. I have some shitty scaring you can’t really see but I notice it. I hate it I used to have perfect skin on my back.

More so just darker spots not craters or anything.
 
In case you haven't noticed, the hot girls at the gym have boyfriends and definately don't talk to the buffed guys at the gym unless they're just being nice. And there are a whole lot of TickTock videos of girls confronting guys staring at them at the gym.

There was a time when Schwarznegger and Stallone were sex icons. Then Brad Pitt and Ben Affleck. Even Channing Tatum and Chris Hemsworth had their time.

But now, think Pete Davidson and Paul Rudd. I mean The Rock has a following but the guys like him a whole lot more than the females. I'm not sure why. I know when Trump became president there was a huge backlash against "toxic masculinity." The me too movement. But also, things just change.

That's not to say that no girls like muscles. Everybody has a type. But it's not what's in right now. And if you have muscles you better be lean if not shredded.

Dude, you don't want the women that are attracted to a femme type dude anyway. Stay far the fuck away from a woman like that. You want a woman who is attracted to a real man.
 

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