dbol + lots of ancillaries = viable oral only cycle ?

[Maetenloch]

Traditional wisdom has it that dbol only cycles are pretty much worthless since most of the gains are water, they're difficult to keep, and there can be a harsh HPTA shutdown. However given the advances in PCT and all the ancillaries that are now available, it seems to me that the problems with a dbol only cycle could be overcome.

How about a 5 week cycle of 40mg/day Dbol along with a daily dose of Nolvadex (10mg) and Arimidex (.25mg) to prevent gyno and keep the bloat down. With Nolva continued for a month afterwards along with some Clomid, it should be possible to get a quick recovery. (Hell you could throw in some HCG but then it wouldn't be oral only.)

Some prohormone users run similar cycles and have good results, so it seems like it could work with dbol as well. It seems a shame to use a powerful steroid like dianabol just for front loading other cycles.

Anyone ever tried this? How were the results? Thoughts?

 

[joe shmoe]

Traditional wisdom has it that dbol only cycles are pretty much worthless since most of the gains are water, they're difficult to keep,

you said it all right there...mostly water and harder to keep. why bother?

and there can be a harsh HPTA shutdown. However given the advances in PCT and all the ancillaries that are now available, it seems to me that the problems with a dbol only cycle could be overcome.

not any harsher than running test or most others. and the advances in PCT wont help keep the gains.

With Nolva continued for a month afterwards along with some Clomid, it should be possible to get a quick recovery. (Hell you could throw in some HCG but then it wouldn't be oral only.)

well hCG was about the only "advance" made in PCT. and seeing how you wont be using it, the second statement that i quoted of yours is pretty much null and void. no?

why in the hell would you want to do an oral only cycle?

have a nice day

 

[Maetenloch]

Traditional wisdom has it that dbol only cycles are pretty much worthless since most of the gains are water, they're difficult to keep,

you said it all right there...mostly water and harder to keep. why bother?

A lot of guys report that they've managed to retain some of their dbol gains even without PCT, so there must be at least some lean muscle gain. Even without that, the strength gains alone could make it worthwhile.

With Nolva continued for a month afterwards along with some Clomid, it should be possible to get a quick recovery. (Hell you could throw in some HCG but then it wouldn't be oral only.)

well hCG was about the only "advance" made in PCT. and seeing how you wont be using it, the second statement that i quoted of yours is pretty much null and void. no?

why in the hell would you want to do an oral only cycle?

have a nice day

Advances in PCT don't always require the appearance of new drugs - they can also happen due to better knowledge and awareness of how to use existing medications. I doubt that 10 years ago the average AS user was using any of the ancillaries we take for granted today. Certainly we've come a long way since the 70's and 80's.

Note that I never said that I going to run a cycle like this, 'cause I'm not.
Oral only cycles seem to have a lot of the hassle of regular cycles without all the gains. However they may have their uses for guys who want to run short cycles or don't like injections.

 

[primetime21]

I would like to try a DBOL only cycle...advice?? Is there any benefit in using it with a prohormone of any kind?? I know Ill get bashed for asking this advice but thought id ask....im limited with what i have so dbol is all i can really get a good supply of.....so lets say you had nothing else but dbol...how would you cycle it, dosage etc....thanks for the help of any kind..

 

[KTCKSports]

I am going to get to the root of the problem. You are nervous about needles. We all were in the same boat one time or another. I had a nurse that i never met before show me how to inject and once she showed me I was more confident. The first time I did it I was really nervous but did it with no problems and I was extremely relieved. From that point on it riding a bike.

Have a nice day
Kevin

I would like to try a DBOL only cycle...advice?? Is there any benefit in using it with a prohormone of any kind?? I know Ill get bashed for asking this advice but thought id ask....im limited with what i have so dbol is all i can really get a good supply of.....so lets say you had nothing else but dbol...how would you cycle it, dosage etc....thanks for the help of any kind..

 

[mesomember]

I am going to get to the root of the problem. You are nervous about needles. We all were in the same boat one time or another. I had a nurse that i never met before show me how to inject and once she showed me I was more confident. The first time I did it I was really nervous but did it with no problems and I was extremely relieved. From that point on it riding a bike.

Have a nice day
Kevin

I have run a d-bol only cycle before...25mg a day for 8 weeks, I gained 20lbs and kept 12lbs months later I used only clomid and creatine after. Maybe it was just me, but it definetly worked..it was my 1st cycle however. I have recently ran test, D-bol and Deca and EQ and got a beter harder appearance but only gained 10lbs additional, as I had kept the prior 12lb for the dbol only and Iobviosly spent way more $ thabn with the d-bo only.
Bottom line is that its cheap to try! Try and find out, just have clomid and nolva on hand and take milk thistle and Tylers detox faithfully. You have to just try it for yourself, screw the advice from people who have never even tried it by itself. Just Try it and post your results. It worked for me. my .02

 

[Your Endo]

Hello

I like to use 100mg/day of dianabol by its self for 2-3 week cycles.

I dont like to use ANY ancillaries, they are overrated a generaly a waste of time.

I gain about 15-20lbs per cycle and keep atleast half of my gains.

Call it water, quality muscle, or fat, I dont care. Im happy with my gains and so was Arnold. -Your Endo

 

[Doggy Style]

I've heard of bros doin d bol bridges.Makes more since cause I just dont see an oral only cycle.Oral bridge yes oral clcle no.

 

[primetime21]

I have run a d-bol only cycle before...25mg a day for 8 weeks, I gained 20lbs and kept 12lbs months later I used only clomid and creatine after. Maybe it was just me, but it definetly worked..it was my 1st cycle however. I have recently ran test, D-bol and Deca and EQ and got a beter harder appearance but only gained 10lbs additional, as I had kept the prior 12lb for the dbol only and Iobviosly spent way more $ thabn with the d-bo only.
Bottom line is that its cheap to try! Try and find out, just have clomid and nolva on hand and take milk thistle and Tylers detox faithfully. You have to just try it for yourself, screw the advice from people who have never even tried it by itself. Just Try it and post your results. It worked for me. my .02

...how much milk thistle should I take? Where do you get this Tyler detox? do any of the over the counter anti-estrogens work or is nolva the only way?? thanks for the help

 

[mesomember]

...how much milk thistle should I take? Where do you get this Tyler detox? do any of the over the counter anti-estrogens work or is nolva the only way?? thanks for the help

1000mg milk thistle per day, tylers available https://www.anabolicfitness.net/shop/product_info.php?cartID=d50ea45d64c96a298e880104ad37334a&id=26
Ive heard OXY-6 works but you can get real Nolvadex or clomid cheap at
medsmx....http://www.medsmex.com/xcart/customer/home.php?cat=38&page=3
Be sure and run clomid after you finish...I had no sex drive for almost a month after and I ran clomid I would hate to see how long it would be without it. clomid is cheap so buy that and nolva from the link I gave you, they take a couple weeks to deliver so be patient.

 

[Patuba]

Ive heard OXY-6 works

I think you mean 6-oxo.

 

[primetime21]

1000mg milk thistle per day, tylers available https://www.anabolicfitness.net/shop/product_info.php?cartID=d50ea45d64c96a298e880104ad37334a&id=26
Ive heard OXY-6 works but you can get real Nolvadex or clomid cheap at
medsmx....http://www.medsmex.com/xcart/customer/home.php?cat=38&page=3
Be sure and run clomid after you finish...I had no sex drive for almost a month after and I ran clomid I would hate to see how long it would be without it. clomid is cheap so buy that and nolva from the link I gave you, they take a couple weeks to deliver so be patient.

Hey thanks for your help I really appreciate it...I believe you said you used 25mg a day of dbol for 8weeks, so you didnt pyramid it or anything? Just straight 25mg a day for that whole time? Also, how much nolva and the clomid should I take and at what point in the cycle? Sorry for the simple ?s...still learning here..thanks alot!

 

[Patuba]

I'd steer you away from a d-bol only cycle. You are going to be really disappointed when you loose most if not all of your gains.

The only cycle I can recommend by itself is a Test only cycle. Save the money you are going to use on d-bol and buy injectible Test instead. Then learn how to inject.

 

[mesomember]

Hey thanks for your help I really appreciate it...I believe you said you used 25mg a day of dbol for 8weeks, so you didnt pyramid it or anything? Just straight 25mg a day for that whole time? Also, how much nolva and the clomid should I take and at what point in the cycle? Sorry for the simple ?s...still learning here..thanks alot!

yeah 25mg a day one dose a day people will argue that you should split the dosage up, but anabolics 2000 explains why it doesnt really matter (matter of opinion though) I get better pump hitting all 25mg 1hour prior to workout, take it every day even when off from the gym, anyway no pyrmid. just 25 a day and start the clomid 4hours after your very last dosage on week 6 like this
clomid 300mg on day 1; then use 100mg for the next 10 days; followed by 50mg for 10 days. Use nolvadex if your nipples get sore or itchy. People will say use the needle and they are right, but it wont hurt to run a dbol only cycle and see how you react...like I said I kept 80% of my gains, but im pretty lean and it was my 1st cycle and I have been lifting for years. Hell give it it try. You will see a noticable diff in size when you come off it will be a loss of water weight as dbol makes you bloat, but you can keep a lot of the size still with high protein diet and creatine. Hit me up when you are done via private message Im curious what your results will be . Like I said I have spent a ton on gear and it wasnt tons better in the gains dept then my dbol onl;y cycle. So fuk it you got nothing to lose trying it.

 

[primetime21]

Bottom line if your afraid to stick yourself don't bother with AAS. D-bol isn't very anabolic, it works mainly thorough antiproteolitic processes. The gains are mostly water and its hard on your liver. D-bol is great for kick starting cycles but not for a cycle alone. Get over your fear of needles.

Actually I have zero fear of needles...or injecting myself...however since never doing it, thats all I really fear..I dont want to fk it up! Ive read all those step by step how to guides and theres like 100 pts to remember and my fear is missing one or not doing it right...I would ask someone if I knew anybody to at least do it for me for the first time, since I learn better from watching then reading stuff out of a book but I dont know of anyone who would know anything about it.....otherwise Id have no problem sticking myself like a pin cushion at all....Maybe you guys can simplify the process of injecting for me down to a FEW steps and not the tedious steps the guides tell you....thanks for your help

 

[Patuba]

I did my first injection 3 weeks ago and it went off without a hitch. It's worth your time to read up on injecting and then do it. It's not that hard at all.

As long as you have the right size of needle and inject into muscle and not a blood vessel you're fine.

 

[primetime21]

I did my first injection 3 weeks ago and it went off without a hitch. It's worth your time to read up on injecting and then do it. It's not that hard at all.

As long as you have the right size of needle and inject into muscle and not a blood vessel you're fine.

Any of you guys familiar with juiceandgear.com?....any exp with it etc???

 

[Patuba]

Any of you guys familiar with juiceandgear.com?....any exp with it etc???

What about it? It looks like a British site so I wouldn't order anything from it.

You can find all the info you want on gear, training, nutrition and supplementation here.

 

[Dart]

... You are nervous about needles. .... The first time I did it I was really nervous but did it with no problems and I was extremely relieved. From that point on it riding a bike.

Unless of course you jam through scar tissue or hit a nerve lol

.

 

[RipHawk]

ES has some spray on test,,,look in class.