DBOL making me weak?

[banana man]

Hey guys, so I am on around 280mg of test x week. No AI. I decided to do a DBOL cycle (20mg) and took pre-cycle bloods.

Total Test 1940 ng/dl
17-Beta Estradiol 64 pg/ml

This is the fourth day I have been taking 20mg (split in 10/5/5) and man I am having the WORST workouts of the year. Feeling like shit, super fucking tired, with no energy. It's weird because I can "feel" my usual strengh is there but there is something it's gassing me out and making me feel tired. Today I was even thinking to stop the workout and go home. Jeez something that has never happened to me.

May this be a high estrogen side effect? I assume the estradiol did incraese after 4 days. Can high estradiol - or ethyl estradiol in this case - make you feel like shit and lower your overall performance? I never used an AI. I don't get gyno or acne. And no massive bloat so far. But I get tired? What am I missing here? Is dbol probably interfering with other hormones or vitamins/minerals that I am not aware of? I don't know what to think tbh. Hope someone can enlighten me. Thank you!

 

[Type-IIx]

It may be due to Dbol's lowering ACTH (i.e., adrenocortical steroids). Anyhow, Dbol's aromatic product is not EE (and at least in my version of Llewellyn's Anabolics he makes the claim that it aromatizes to "17alpha-methylestradiol" without citation). There are 2 German language studies that analyzed Dbol's aromatic product. Whether it is identical to that of methyltest (17alpha-methylestrogen) or not is an open question, until someone gets those studies that reads German.

 

[banana man]

Dbol's aromatic product is not EE (and at least in my version of Llewellyn's Anabolics he makes the claim that it aromatizes to "17alpha-methylestradiol"

Yes, you are right. It's methyl estradiol and not EE. It was my mistake. Thanks for pointing that out.

It may be due to Dbol's lowering ACTH (i.e., adrenocortical steroids)

Wow. This is actually new info for me and very helpful! Where did you read this? I did some research and I found out two studies that prove Dbol increases serum and urinary cortisol though. And I kind of relate to. Also my pee started to have an unusual smell. I was taking 10 mg first thing in the morning on a empty stomach.

 

[Type-IIx]

Yes, you are right. It's methyl estradiol and not EE. It was my mistake. Thanks for pointing that out.



Wow. This is actually new info for me and very helpful! Where did you read this? I did some research and I found out two studies that prove Dbol increases serum and urinary cortisol though. And I kind of relate to. Also my pee started to have an unusual smell. I was taking 10 mg first thing in the morning on a empty stomach.

WYNN V, LANDON J, JAMES VH. Effect of an anabolic steroid (methandienone) on pituitary-adrenal function in the human. J Endocrinol. 1962 Oct;25:199-209. doi: 10.1677/joe.0.0250199. PMID: 14002134.

LIDDLE GW, BURKE HA Jr. Anabolic steroids in clinical medicine. Helv Med Acta. 1960 Dec;27:504-13. PMID: 13761948.

 

[banana man]

WYNN V, LANDON J, JAMES VH. Effect of an anabolic steroid (methandienone) on pituitary-adrenal function in the human. J Endocrinol. 1962 Oct;25:199-209. doi: 10.1677/joe.0.0250199. PMID: 14002134.

LIDDLE GW, BURKE HA Jr. Anabolic steroids in clinical medicine. Helv Med Acta. 1960 Dec;27:504-13. PMID: 13761948.

Do you agree Dbol increases cortisol? And how would you fix it if this is really what I am experiencing? I cannot believe I cannot use dbol

 

[barbell001]

Hey guys, so I am on around 280mg of test x week. No AI. I decided to do a DBOL cycle (20mg) and took pre-cycle bloods.

Total Test 1940 ng/dl
17-Beta Estradiol 64 pg/ml

This is the fourth day I have been taking 20mg (split in 10/5/5) and man I am having the WORST workouts of the year. Feeling like shit, super fucking tired, with no energy. It's weird because I can "feel" my usual strengh is there but there is something it's gassing me out and making me feel tired. Today I was even thinking to stop the workout and go home. Jeez something that has never happened to me.

May this be a high estrogen side effect? I assume the estradiol did incraese after 4 days. Can high estradiol - or ethyl estradiol in this case - make you feel like shit and lower your overall performance? I never used an AI. I don't get gyno or acne. And no massive bloat so far. But I get tired? What am I missing here? Is dbol probably interfering with other hormones or vitamins/minerals that I am not aware of? I don't know what to think tbh. Hope someone can enlighten me. Thank you!

Buddy are you making sure you are taking in extra Glucose/carbs on the Dbol and also extra fluids? Dbol literally sucks these 2 things into your muscle 24/7 which is why its so effective at increasing strength and endurance because its improving your muscle leverages. I can't imagine at 20mg/day its increasing estrogen hugely but then again some people do respond to Dbol badly and it can make them feel like shit. You may find you are an anadrol guy? Taking a good quality Dbol is hugely important also as some versions are downright nasty where as others are euphoric in nature.

 

[banana man]

Buddy are you making sure you are taking in extra Glucose/carbs on the Dbol and also extra fluids? Dbol literally sucks these 2 things into your muscle 24/7 which is why its so effective at increasing strength and endurance because its improving your muscle leverages. I can't imagine at 20mg/day its increasing estrogen hugely but then again some people do respond to Dbol badly and it can make them feel like shit. You may find you are an anadrol guy? Taking a good quality Dbol is hugely important also as some versions are downright nasty where as others are euphoric in nature.

Yes dude I am drinking more than usual especially for the bloat and liver. Diet and carbs also on points. There is something else that is going on that I don't know. But thnx

 

[barbell001]

What Lab are you using?

Is this your first time using Dbol?

 

[Type-IIx]

Do you agree Dbol increases cortisol? And how would you fix it if this is really what I am experiencing? I cannot believe I cannot use dbol

I've seen the Hervey data from trained athletes showing an increase in serum and urinary cortisol excretion & the data that ACTH secretion is almost certainly reduced by Dbol. My impression is that it has definite effects on the adrenocortical system, the implications being somewhat unclear. I think the data supports a general systemic lowering of adrenocortical function in your case (largely explanatory for your lethargy).

Fix? Drop the Dbol or hope there is some unproven compensatory mechanism that increases cortisol secretion to compensate for an initial lowering of ACTH (wanton speculation).

 

[banana man]

What Lab are you using?

Is this your first time using Dbol?

It's a local supplier.

I am sure it's 100% legit. I never used dbol before but it did feel like an oral. Felt that "contraction" on my forearms muscles and aggression as soon as 15-20 min after taking it. The problem was after a couple hours when I went to the gym that I started to feel like shit and weak but with better pumps. I don't know how to explain but it was no good.

What I am thinking right now to be the cause is or too high cortisol or too low cortisol or too high estrogen or probably none of them and I am far away from the truth and I won't never know if I don't do bloods. Was just hoping that someone here had the same experience and share a possible fix

 

[banana man]

I've seen the Hervey data from trained athletes showing an increase in serum and urinary cortisol excretion & the data that ACTH secretion is almost certainly reduced by Dbol. My impression is that it has definite effects on the adrenocortical system, the implications being somewhat unclear. I think the data supports a general systemic lowering of adrenocortical function in your case (largely explanatory for your lethargy).

Fix? Drop the Dbol or hope there is some unproven compensatory mechanism that increases cortisol secretion to compensate for an initial lowering of ACTH (wanton speculation).

Took 10 mg again today. After almsot 1.5 hours same problems but now with headaches? BP was 126/61/61.

 

[Fella]

May this be a high estrogen side effect? I assume the estradiol did incraese after 4 days. Can high estradiol - or ethyl estradiol in this case - make you feel like shit and lower your overall performance? I never used an AI. I don't get gyno or acne. And no massive bloat so far. But I get tired? What am I missing here? Is dbol probably interfering with other hormones or vitamins/minerals that I am not aware of? I don't know what to think tbh. Hope someone can enlighten me. Thank you!

It could be, too high e2 can cause fatigue like symptoms with some individuals. How soon after starting dbol did these symptoms occur?
Have you checked your liver enzymes? Are you sure it isn't just some kind of nausea you're experiencing?

 

[Giveitago]

Do you have an AI? I’m thinking dropping your retro might be what you need….or should try.

Edit. Estro not retro

 

[barbell001]

It's a local supplier.

I am sure it's 100% legit. I never used dbol before but it did feel like an oral. Felt that "contraction" on my forearms muscles and aggression as soon as 15-20 min after taking it. The problem was after a couple hours when I went to the gym that I started to feel like shit and weak but with better pumps. I don't know how to explain but it was no good.

What I am thinking right now to be the cause is or too high cortisol or too low cortisol or too high estrogen or probably none of them and I am far away from the truth and I won't never know if I don't do bloods. Was just hoping that someone here had the same experience and share a possible fix

How can you be 100% sure its legit if you have never used the compound before? Plus its off someone who is obv making it in their kitchen.

Your solution is to get some off a proper reputable lab before looking any deeper into things I'm afraid.

 

[banana man]

It could be, too high e2 can cause fatigue like symptoms with some individuals. How soon after starting dbol did these symptoms occur?
Have you checked your liver enzymes? Are you sure it isn't just some kind of nausea you're experiencing?

From the first day really but getting worst since then with each workout. Liver was fine pre-cycle bloods and today it's only the fifth day I am on it @20mg plus tudca&nac. Defintely not nausea

 

[banana man]

Do you have an AI? I’m thinking dropping your retro might be what you need….or should try.

Edit. Estro not retro

Got some aromasin. Thinking to do 12.5mg eod or even 6mg eod just to test waters. Can you swallow dbol and aromasin togheter?

 

[banana man]

How can you be 100% sure its legit if you have never used the compound before? Plus its off someone who is obv making it in their kitchen.

Your solution is to get some off a proper reputable lab before looking any deeper into things I'm afraid.

yeah i know what you are saying. I have nerver had problems with them but I understand you

 

[Megadick3000]

Personally i “crash” off dbol if only dosing once per day, usually around 3-4 hours after taking it.

The symptoms i get are depression, lethargy, anhedonia, generally feel blah. if i was trying to hit the gym at this point in time im sure my workouts would feel lackluster.

Seems from your posts your taking it once per day, then several hours later hitting the gym, which would potentially have you working out during the “crash”.

Try hitting the gym within the first hour of taking it and seeing if that makes a difference?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Try anadrol , dbol isn't for all I don't feel good on dbol too and my results are lacking. I'm very tired after workout if I'm doing dbol also I get heartburn etc. Drol so much better than dbol. Also to really know if y respond good to dbol you should buy quality dbol it's hard t find but you can.

 

[Fiew28]

I have this same issue.. on 40mg a day in 10mg tabs 4 times a day and I am just tired and lazy feeling.. don't even wanna be in the gym..