Deca/NPP vs High Test for lean tissue gains?

[ChrisMidLife]

Assuming that someone is only interested in retained lean tissue gain, after a 20 week cycle, what is the rough equivalent of a 200 Test, 300 Deca Cycle; but running Test only. 800mg Test?

I understand that Deca/NPP comes with lots of other benefits/sides compared to a large cycle of test only. My question only concerns retained lean tissue gains after a 20 week cycle.

Thanks,

 

[effswithtren]

Test is great but nandrolone is awesome. With high test you introduce having to also balance your estrogen, or deal with high estrogen symptoms. I don’t really get any side effects from nandrolone, but YMMV and all that.

 

[Juicedhead]

Yeah id say thats a pretty accurate guess. Deca is the best mass builder out there in my opinion but test is great for mass as well but needs to be ran high. The only issue youd run into is controlling e2 like dude said so lets say youre on an AI running 800mg of test for 20 weeks would give similar gains to 200 test and 300 deca.

 

[Georgetrenson]

Test is easier to use than Nandrolone, but Nandrolone is definitely better if you're experienced w/ estrogen management and have the ability to tune your hormones well. Its very individual, but test just doesn't seem to jive as a main anabolic for me personally (too much fluff / bloating vs quality fullness & mass).

If e2 is in check, Nandrolone can feel just fine, but if its off, the side effects mentally can be more punishing / depressing than if you were to have high e2 w/ only test. Generally I bump up nandrolone as my main anabolic, and then eventually as I need more AI my body ends up wanting more test to support the AI use and get everything optimized;

Its a tricky compound but well worth the investment, not for beginners. If you try it out, start w/ NPP, do not do DECA until youve had a good run w/ NPP.

 

[Jaxino]

Assuming that someone is only interested in retained lean tissue gain, after a 20 week cycle, what is the rough equivalent of a 200 Test, 300 Deca Cycle; but running Test only. 800mg Test?

I understand that Deca/NPP comes with lots of other benefits/sides compared to a large cycle of test only. My question only concerns retained lean tissue gains after a 20 week cycle.

Thanks,

Nothing beats High test with HGH. NOTHING.

 

[ve79]

I always had the impression you need to have some test as the base in any cycle. Im also one who likes more of a dryer muscle gain look during cycle. Im currently using test c 150mg a week and 5mg of triz for weight loss and its been amazing . I lost 25lb in 3 months of course my diet is good and training. My plan is to loose another 20lb then drop my test to 100mg and add 300mg of primo to put on lean muscle tissue. I never used primo and some say its too week and not worth the price and just run npp at 200 with the test and maybe add var. What are your thoughts guys on this?

 

[bighunanballs]

Nothing beats High test with HGH. NOTHING.

Pretty hard to beat.

I can't run nandrolone personally. Anxiety and panic creeps up pretty fast on me. If I was single I'd probably weather it out

 

[xrayphoton13]

Test is easier to use than Nandrolone, but Nandrolone is definitely better if you're experienced w/ estrogen management and have the ability to tune your hormones well. Its very individual, but test just doesn't seem to jive as a main anabolic for me personally (too much fluff / bloating vs quality fullness & mass).

If e2 is in check, Nandrolone can feel just fine, but if its off, the side effects mentally can be more punishing / depressing than if you were to have high e2 w/ only test. Generally I bump up nandrolone as my main anabolic, and then eventually as I need more AI my body ends up wanting more test to support the AI use and get everything optimized;

Its a tricky compound but well worth the investment, not for beginners. If you try it out, start w/ NPP, do not do DECA until youve had a good run w/ NPP.

I've found through some trial and error and experimentation on myself that I can run however much nandrolone I want as long as I keep test at 50mg/week or less. Maybe I could go higher but that's as high as I've tested so far. Bumped nandrolone up to 1.2grams with no issues. No AI. No symptoms of low e2. No gyno. No loss of libido. No paranoia or depression. Just relaxed and mellow. I actually found myself more turned on by the wife than usual. When I tried this I did always take 25-50mg dbol preworkout. Nandrolone, test, and dbol all aromatize so I doubt e2 was ever low. Definitely had some of the most wicked pumps of my life with this stack. I love the fullness that nandrolone brings to the delts

 

[krvuxn]

I've found through some trial and error and experimentation on myself that I can run however much nandrolone I want as long as I keep test at 50mg/week or less. Maybe I could go higher but that's as high as I've tested so far. Bumped nandrolone up to 1.2grams with no issues. No AI. No symptoms of low e2. No gyno. No loss of libido. No paranoia or depression. Just relaxed and mellow. I actually found myself more turned on by the wife than usual. When I tried this I did always take 25-50mg dbol preworkout. Nandrolone, test, and dbol all aromatize so I doubt e2 was ever low. Definitely had some of the most wicked pumps of my life with this stack. I love the fullness that nandrolone brings to the delts

I’d love to see before and after pictures of this cycle! How long did you run it for?

 

[eery]

I dont really think you'd see much of a difference after 20 weeks when you go down to TRT levels and theres no the extra water and eletrolyte retention from the deca or the high test.

I do think you might see more muscle gain longterm at a 800mg total androgen load vs 500mg with those compounds and dosages though, but you might hold more water, be fuller, joints feeling better and less estrogen issues with the deca example.

 

[ripper908]

I prefer just test but some people swear by deca or npp

deca and npp give me horrible acne

I get almost no bad sides from test.

but the usual gotta experiment and try for yourself

 

[Georgetrenson]

I've found through some trial and error and experimentation on myself that I can run however much nandrolone I want as long as I keep test at 50mg/week or less. Maybe I could go higher but that's as high as I've tested so far. Bumped nandrolone up to 1.2grams with no issues. No AI. No symptoms of low e2. No gyno. No loss of libido. No paranoia or depression. Just relaxed and mellow. I actually found myself more turned on by the wife than usual. When I tried this I did always take 25-50mg dbol preworkout. Nandrolone, test, and dbol all aromatize so I doubt e2 was ever low. Definitely had some of the most wicked pumps of my life with this stack. I love the fullness that nandrolone brings to the delts

I honestly think test is very overrated, its my least favorite compound, I just take it because my body required, less is more. Mast, primo, deca and Anavar is the good stuff

 

[AlexDavis43]

Pretty hard to beat.

I can't run nandrolone personally. Anxiety and panic creeps up pretty fast on me. If I was single I'd probably weather it out

Idk, kinda seems like the other way around for me. Having fam around can help keep me out of my own head, if that makes sense. Would rather than being alone. Maybe.

 

[Jaxino]

I honestly think test is very overrated, its my least favorite compound, I just take it because my body required, less is more. Mast, primo, deca and Anavar is the good stuff

No major entity truly adopts that approach.

I regret to inform you, but in this day and age, it's challenging to reinvent the wheel.

Typically, those who pursue this method lack sufficient development and tend to favor excessively high doses.

I, too, found myself in your very same situation many years ago, and I just lost time.

Once you figure out how to control E2 on High test and HGH and eat properly you will figure out that you don't need anything else.

Fluff on high test? I am on 2g of it 10iu HGH generics with full 6 pack, cuts on legs and arms.

 

[ve79]

I prefer just test but some people swear by deca or npp

deca and npp give me horrible acne

I get almost no bad sides from test.

but the usual gotta experiment and try for yourself

I get high estradiol even at low dose at 150 of test so I always have to take arimidex. Deca is even more but I haven't tried npp or primo yet

 

[bighunanballs]

Idk, kinda seems like the other way around for me. Having fam around can help keep me out of my own head, if that makes sense. Would rather than being alone. Maybe.

I guess you're not married to a crazy b. That changes your gear selections

 

[Mongo966]

Idk, kinda seems like the other way around for me. Having fam around can help keep me out of my own head, if that makes sense. Would rather than being alone. Maybe.

I guess you're not married to a crazy b. That changes your gear selections.

My wife isn't crazy but she's a dumbass and when I take nandrolone I just can't handle the brilliant stuff that comes out of her mouth. It's the main reason I can't take tren at all LOL.

 

[xrayphoton13]

I guess you're not married to a crazy b. That changes your gear selections

Yup. Mine is definitely crazy. If I were to snap or say something smart to her she'd snap back and be up in my face about it. The next few hours would be miserable. Definitely have to watch my thoughts closely when on certain things. I've learned to stay calm and patient over the years bc of her. My coach actually was really smart about it. He sends an email to her every few weeks when I'm on certain things to get her view and make sure I'm not acting up

 

[Georgetrenson]

No major entity truly adopts that approach.

I regret to inform you, but in this day and age, it's challenging to reinvent the wheel.

Typically, those who pursue this method lack sufficient development and tend to favor excessively high doses.

I, too, found myself in your very same situation many years ago, and I just lost time.

Once you figure out how to control E2 on High test and HGH and eat properly you will figure out that you don't need anything else.

Fluff on high test? I am on 2g of it 10iu HGH generics with full 6 pack, cuts on legs and arms.

So you think what works for you is going to work for every single other person who takes steroids?

You truly believe every human body is the same and there is only one right answer to this?

Whats the point of even having this forum in the first place if this cracks the entire code, why don’t we just sticky this and shut all the other posts down?

This is like me saying everyone should avoid keto and stick to a carb-based diet; sure it probably works for the majority of the population, but there still are people who actually do function better on ketogenic diets.

All rules have exceptions, just look up Godel’s Incompleteness theorem, even mathematical systems are incomplete

EDIT: I’m not saying you’re wrong, even though I’m not a fan of test I always innately have to blast it to some degree to get my hormones to click, but I don’t prefer it to be the main driver of a cycle; I just want the minimum amount for me to run more of my preferred compounds to meet a weekly dosage target

 

[RekTest]

800 test doesn’t compare to NPP,

The pump/strength gain you get from NPP is unreal. I ran 200mg/wk test c and 700mg/wk npp and thats when I felt my biggest, str shooting through the roof each week.
Keep e2 in control and you can run high npp with no sides.