Decent cycle to get back in?

[Dondajuan417]

PH, SARM, SERM OUT Cycle



Month 1

DMZ (AM/Lift) 7.5/7.5 mg or 15/15 mg

MK677 (PM) 12.5



Week 2-6 if you feel any side effects low T high E Ie/ gyno, tired all day, ED, not horny, depression, fucked up appetite etc

Aromasin/Prami depending on symptoms

Don’t take either one once you begin Enclo

Aromasin .5-12.5 /2x weekly PM

Prami .25-1 /2x weekly PM

Feel like shit take Aromasin

Itchy or milky tits take Prami



Month 2

Rad (Lift) 10 or

Osta (Lift) 10

MK677 (PM) 12.5

Carn (AM) 12.5



Month 3

Rad (Lift) 10 or

Osta (Lift) 10

Mk677 (PM) 12.5

Carn (AM) 12.5

Enclo (AM/PM) 6.25/6.25



Month 4

MK677 (PM) 12.5

Enclo (AM/PM) 3.125/3.125

Last 2 weeks

Tamo (AM) 10-20



2 weeks into Month 5

Tamo (AM) 5-10



Supplements

Huge cycle support

5% core daa and dim

Huge Multi

Fish oil/ cla

Reds

Creatine

Carnivor Protein

ZMA

HMB

Gorilla Stem free pre

Collagen/probiotics

I won’t be running this for about 4 to 5 months. Have to get my diet, schedule, and MESO back on point in that time. Finals have messed me up for the last 4 to 6 weeks.

I will be running this MESO plan
Legs/Push/Pull/Arms/Rest with Abs EOD & 1 hour fasted Cardio 30 minutes on road and 30 on the stair stepper every training day. I walk my dog 2 times a day and walk to class and back 2 times a day. I also run to the gym in the AM for the stair stepper, abs, and road work. Sometimes I will run or walk to the gym in the afternoon for weight training.

My watch says I burn close to 2000-2300 calories on a good training day with 13-17 miles traveled on foot. My lifts are old school focused and I don’t lift with a partner so some lifts are smith machine lifts which ideally should be done with straight barbell. With that said I don’t count 225 on smith machine with 4 plates and the bar. I add 50 pounds to whatever goal weight I am lifting at that moment. I’m reasonably strong with a decent lifting base and background.

Chemicals wise I had a coach the only previous time I used any cheat codes. Before that single test and tren cycle I had ran a few prohormone, sarm, & serm cycles. Maybe 2 at most. This was all 8 to 9 years ago. I haven’t ever asked my doc my test level etc but I have morning wood every morning that’s nice and solid hardwood. Hair line is imacculate, no excessive acne or really anything to suggest any hormonal issues. Besides me being fat but trust me that’s due to poor self control and diet!

I will focus inward for the next 4 to 5 months and fix the problems after that I plan to run the above cycle. Any advice or criticisms are greatly appreciated. Please help me do what I can with what I have. I won’t post all the numbers on diet and exercise until you ask. But this is a rough draft of foods and macros I will focus on

Beef	Rice
Poultry	Potatoes/ All
Venison	Rice noodles
Bacon	Protein wraps
Organs	Veggies/ All
Greek yogurt	Bananas
Tuna/ oyster	Kimchi
Salmon	Olives
Cheese	Zucchini
Mio	Nuts
Eggs	Rice cake
Propel	Bubble water

Carbs 250g

Protein 220g

Fat 100g

3000-3500 calories

Between 4-5 meals

Fasting from 7 PM to 8 AM

 

[narta]

Get your diet in check
Get your training in order and progressive
Get bloods to verify general health and test levels

AFTER ALL THAT get on a test only cycle, start with 400mg/week assess 6 weeks in and adjust accordingly.

Have aromasin on hand and run a pct after the ester of choice clears out 4 half lives later.

 

[Dondajuan417]

Unfortunately I don’t trust my local sources and I can’t catch anything getting tossed from anyone out of area. Long and short don’t do drugs and piss off important people with single digit first names. I will definitely work on my routine and get right back to crushing asap. I’m in no rush to cycle just wanting to experience the enhanced side of things again! Thanks for the advice Narta!

 

[Dondajuan417]

PH, SARM, SERM OUT Cycle

Month 1
DMZ (AM/Lift)
[7.5/7.5 mg] or [15/15 mg]
MK677 (PM) [12.5]
Go 6 weeks on DMZ if sides allow

Week (2-6) if you feel any side effects
Aromasin [.5-12.5] /2x weekly PM
Prami [.25-1] /2x weekly PM
Don’t take after PCT unless it’s for Gyno
Start Enclo PCT 24 hours after last DMZ

Month 2
Mk677 (PM) [12.5]
Carn (AM) [12.5]
Enclo (AM/PM) [6.25/6.25]

Month 3
MK677 (PM) [12.5]
Carn (AM) [12.5]
Enclo (AM/PM) [3.125/3.125]
Tamo (AM) [10-20]

Month 4
Taper down 2 weeks
Tamo (AM) [5-10]

Supplements
Huge cycle support
5% core daa and dim
Huge Multi
Fish oil/ cla
Reds
Creatine
Protein
ZMA
HMB
Stem free pre
Collagen/probiotics

 

[Shivathedestroyer]

Take that “cycle” and throw it in the trash. Like the person above mentioned, stick with testosterone.

 

[Shivathedestroyer]

Unfortunately I don’t trust my local sources and I can’t catch anything getting tossed from anyone out of area. Long and short don’t do drugs and piss off important people with single digit first names. I will definitely work on my routine and get right back to crushing asap. I’m in no rush to cycle just wanting to experience the enhanced side of things again! Thanks for the advice Narta!

Get a script from a telemedicine doctor aka legal ugl dealer

 

[Dondajuan417]

Get a script from a telemedicine doctor aka legal ugl dealer

how much would that run me?

 

[Dondajuan417]

Would I still need cycle support on test?

 

[Shivathedestroyer]

Would I still need cycle support on test?

How old are you bro and what’s your training/ diet history like?

This is not a question I would expect from someone who is ready to use peds

 

[Dondajuan417]

Cycles
I had run a couple old school pro-hormone cycles back when they were still good, and a tren and test cycle in like 2015 or so but it was with a coach. I have grey hair if that answers your question lol. I am in the research faze of getting back into enhanced training without a coach. I don’t plan on using anything for at least 6 months or more at this point. Currently I’m sucking at life but in a week I will get back on it.

Diet

Beef	Rice
Poultry	Potatoes/ All
Deer	Rice noodles
Bacon	Protein wraps
Organs	Veggies
Greek yogurt	Banana
Tuna/ oyster	Kimchi
Salmon	Olives
Cheese	Zucchini
Mio	Nuts
Eggs	Rice cake
Propel	Bubble water

Carbs 250g
Protein 220g
Fat 95g
Or relatively close to this boring dry ass shit right here. ^ I might have some peanut butter now and then.
Eventually cutting potatoes and pasta for sweet potatoes or zucchini.
Nothing but water, mio, propel, and sparkling water.

Breakfast: 1-2 rice cake & PB2, banana, & protein shake or eggs or yogurt
Walk to class 1 to 2 miles daily
Lunch: salad or kimchi kinda situation with fish, egg, or poultry. Maybe a little rice if I’m feeling the need for a clean carb.
Snack: nuts, cheese, yougurts, smoked meats, canned seafood, etc keto shit
Dinner:
M: Beef, clean carb like (broccoli), a little fats
T: Poultry, less clean carb (zucchini), more fats
W: Seafood, starchy carb (rice), a little fats
Repeating infinitely and staying relatively consistent with a cheat (meal) every 2 to 4 weeks were I eat a carb rich feast!
I eat a little late so I will try to eat before 7pm

No sugar, caffeine, enriched flour, etc
Sleeps decent and schedule is decent!
My watch says I burn up to 2500 calories and walk up to 15 miles some days when I’m on my shit

Routine
About 2 months ago I was just finishing a nice MESO cycle spending nearly 2 hours destroying my demons daily.
Full Legs/Push/Pull/Arms/Rest
I wasn’t doing cardio cuz I’m fat, and I neglected other things I shouldn’t have but overall I was doing ok.

Repping out the 110’s on dumbbell bench, maxing the majority of the machines out with reps. I don’t have friends so I use a lot of dumbbells, machines, and especially my main bitch the smith machine! 315 Sissy smith squats variation, 225 smith incline press, 225 smith military, leg press 600 pounds plus for maybe 8 decent presses, 10 pull-ups in a row with decent form, bent over row 225 all grips decent form. If it’s not better with dumbbells or doable on barbell without a spot it’s done on a machine or the smith!! I plan on going back to the same MESO plan with a few tweaks and run it for 4.5 months with a 2 ish week de-load period maybe a little less.

I will add in 1 hour fasted morning cardio 15 mins to the gym 30 mins stair stepper 30 mins abs Core: Every other day hanging ab variation, weighted ab pull downs, & decline sit ups. 15 mins back to house. Walk dog 2 to 3 miles.

 

[Run_GSD]

Sooooo. Do I have to put it out there that this “cycle” is 5 months. Why not 12 weeks of test? Maybe some var sprinkled in on the back end. 5 months is kinda nuts

Sarms are no where near as studied as AAS. Not only that they don’t work anywhere near as well. Why sit down for 5 months for a fraction of the gains as 12 or so weeks of test.

 

[Dondajuan417]

Definitely on the psychotic end of the spectrum but I figured the low doses would make it feasible. I will need to get a prescription for test for sure. My mail situation is iffy at best.

 

[Run_GSD]

Definitely on the psychotic end of the spectrum but I figured the low doses would make it feasible. I will need to get a prescription for test for sure. My mail situation is iffy at best.

What about a PO Box?

No being a cunt but are you afraid to pin?

 

[Dondajuan417]

What about a PO Box?

No being a cunt but are you afraid to pin?

Lol no worries and no not at all. I pinned myself through my whole tren & test cycle and never got the cough or had any real problems besides pain from the oil sitting. It’s my name and addy unfortunately. Sketch 9000 without a script.

 

[Run_GSD]

Lol no worries and no not at all. I pinned myself through my whole tren & test cycle and never got the cough or had any real problems besides pain from the oil sitting. It’s my name and addy unfortunately. Sketch 9000 without a script.

Personal use amounts are not sketchy.


I would strongly advise against sarms. You really should do a bit more reading on Hpta recovery.

 

[Dondajuan417]

Could you explain specifically what to focus on when it comes to Hpta recovery regarding sarms?

 

[Dondajuan417]

The full shutdown part lol?

 

[Run_GSD]

Could you explain specifically what to focus on when it comes to Hpta recovery regarding sarms?

It’s exactly the same as AAS. Except you want to run it longer……the longer you are shutdown the harder recovery is

 

[Metribolone]

The full shutdown part lol?

You can’t just run sarms without test. Your Hpta will be shut down and your test levels will be horrendously low. You will feel like shit all the time. Taking an ai won’t do anything because you will have very low e because you have no test already.

 

[Dondajuan417]

Understood so I wait for some test e and var risk reward is better