Developing gynecomastia breasts, help!

[RonXmma]

So I am on my 3rd week with Testo E.. when I woke up in the morning I've noticed that my nipples
was quiet bloated and enlarged. And it was sore as hell, but later on the same day it turned normal.

Why is this happening? What should I do? This call is urgent, need som help guys.. sincerely Ron

 

[Skull]

^^^^^ @Dr JIM @Michael Scally MD ^^^^^

 

[CdnGuy]

I guess you're not taking any Ai ? Do you have any nova on hand?


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[Dr JIM]

So I am on my 3rd week with Testo E.. when I woke up in the morning I've noticed that my nipples
was quiet bloated and enlarged. And it was sore as hell, but later on the same day it turned normal.

Why is this happening? What should I do? This call is urgent, need som help guys.. sincerely Ron

Goodness Skull you of all people should know breast changes are a part of running AAS and one which is usually self limiting.

As I've mentioned many times before providing GCM is NOT the underlying cause for these NIPPLE alterations (like itchy "nips", focal nipple SWELLING, or even nipple discharge) is NOT indicated as such side effects are resistant to either AIs or SERM based therapy IME.

Finally stop squeezing your tits as it tends to worsen the swelling.

Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

Goodness Skull you of all people should know breast changes are a part of running AAS and one which is usually self limiting.

Jim

I want to be clear, the "breast changes" I'm referring to in this post include only those involving and limited to the NIPPLE.

 

[Dr JIM]

^^^^^ @Dr JIM @Michael Scally MD ^^^^^

My oversight, as for some reason I thought you were the OP, or I wouldn't have replied .

 

[Skull]

My oversight, as for some reason I thought you were the OP, or I wouldn't have replied .

Lol its ok. I was jus trying to help out OP. Not me....this time hahaha

 

[Oregongearhead]

Goodness Skull you of all people should know breast changes are a part of running AAS and one which is usually self limiting.

As I've mentioned many times before providing GCM is NOT the underlying cause for these NIPPLE alterations (like itchy "nips", focal nipple SWELLING, or even nipple discharge) is NOT indicated as such side effects are resistant to either AIs or SERM based therapy IME.

Finally stop squeezing your tits as it tends to worsen the swelling.

Jim

Perkies ...lol

 

[Dr JIM]

Believe it or not many of these guys DONT have GCM, yet clearly have "man boobs", some of which would make a lady proud!

We are talking droopy (AKA ptosis) chest FAT rather than breast tissue being the difference.

 

[Dr JIM]

Lol its ok. I was jus trying to help out OP. Not me....this time hahaha

I mean I thought to myself if Skull (a seasoned Meso member) believes a swollen tit which has "RESOLVED" is the body builders "urgency", what then will NOOBS think erectile dysfunction qualifies as, an "emergency" that mandates immediate attention in a local ER

Perhaps the prolonged wait, a trite occurrence in most ERs, is an effective form of "auto-triage" after all!

 

[Comfortable]

After taking high doses of test for more than a few weeks my nips always have some type of change bigger softer pointier or whatever take a little bit of a ai and all will be wel
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[Schredder]

Bloated, swollen, puffy nipples does not mean gyno. It could be a sodium or carb issue and/or olding extra water from e2 being higher than one would like--high e2 will lead to gyno eventually if left untreated btw--it could be from a number of different things. Itchy nipples does not equal gyno either. Gynocomastia is actually breast tissue forming and you will know it is gyno when you feel hard lumps directly behind the nipple. It will start out like a small pea sized lump and will grow if left untreated. It will also appear if one isnt proactive in keeping e2 in optimal range with an AI FROM THE START OF A CYCLE. If one does have further issues even if e2 is in optimal range then he can throw a SERM in the mix.

You need an AI from day one. Testosterine aromatizes and coverts into estrogen......always.

Do you have an AI on hand or at least a SERM for the time being if you dont have an AI?

 

[Dr JIM]

^^^^
AAS cyclists do NOT need an AI from day one and such a suggestion is bro-science pure and simple!

GCM develops in ONLY 30% of AAS users and that's a FACT, so
what your suggesting treats the 70% who will not develop this condition and that's OVERKILL.

GCM is primarily GENETIC fella with a few other predisposing Risk Factors one being the use of AAS

People need to LEARN not to worry about their silly E-2 level unless symptoms of and elevated E-2 are present bc TJATS when AI or SERM therapy IS INDICATED!

I've seen many Meso members suggest prophylactic AI treatment even in the absence of baseline labs and knowing how many of these guys are "Blasting and Cruising" that's a recipe for hypo-E
signs and symptoms which can be much WORSE than a "sore tit" !

Jim

 

[Schredder]

^^^^
AAS cyclists do NOT need an AI from day one and such a suggestion is bro-science pure and simple!

GCM develops in ONLY 30% of AAS users and that's a FACT, so
what your suggesting treats the 70% who will not develop this condition and that's OVERKILL.

GCM is primarily GENETIC fella with a few other predisposing Risk Factors one being the use of AAS

People need to LEARN not to worry about their silly E-2 level unless symptoms of and elevated E-2 are present bc TJATS when AI or SERM therapy IS INDICATED!

I've seen many Meso members suggest prophylactic AI treatment even in the absence of baseline labs and knowing how many of these guys are "Blasting and Cruising" that's a recipe for hypo-E
signs and symptoms which can be much WORSE than a "sore tit" !

Jim

WOW! Haha. First off, I dont need a lesson on improper uses of AIs and incorrect presumptuous facts on gyno. Are you saying the only reason to take an AI is to fend of gyno? If you are saying that one does not need an AI from day one when running any aromatizing compound then you need to re read some literature on Testosterone, the aromatase enzyme, and estradiol (more epecifically, issues related to males from unhealthy levels of it). And how all three relate to eachother when running aromatizing compounds. With all due respect dude. I dont need to coming at me with some 'holier than thou' nonsence telling me im takin broscience. One thing I will guarantee you is that there isnt a bit of broscience ever exiting my mouth.

 

[Dr JIM]

Really let me see all these evidence based "unhealthy issues" created from a high E-2 in the PRESENCE OF A NORMAL or better yet, a HIGH TT :E-2 ratio.

Let's not forget all the OTHER anabolic agents mates run simultaneously with TT to offset the effects of a "high E-2".

Try reading my earlier posts on WHEN anti-estrogen therapy is indicated, bc Its clear you DO have some FACT learning to.

And you can start by reviewing MEDLINE or GOOGLE SCHOLAR for the
side effects of hyperestrogenemia in the presence of a NORMAL TT : E-2 ratio rather than posting "evidence"
as it's listed on some BLOG or self help TT BOARD.

Guys like you have many younger AAS experimentalists running around like some chicken with the head cut off
wondering if their E-2 is "to high"!

Many are completely asymptomatic
and have no baseline labs for comparison but YOU say yea bro start that AI NOW!

 

[Schredder]

Really let me see all these evidence based "unhealthy issues" created from a high E-2 in the PRESENCE OF A NORMAL or better yet, a HIGH TT :E-2 ratio.

Let's not forget all the OTHER anabolic agents mates run simultaneously with TT to offset the effects of a "high E-2".

Try reading my earlier posts on WHEN anti-estrogen therapy is indicated, bc Its clear you DO have some FACT learning to.

And you can start by reviewing MEDLINE or GOOGLE SCHOLAR for the
side effects of hyperestrogenemia in the presence of a NORMAL TT : E-2 ratio rather than posting "evidence"
as it's listed on some BLOG or self help TT BOARD.

Guys like you have many younger AAS experimentalists running around like some chicken with the head cut off
wondering if their E-2 is "to high"!

Many are completely asymptomatic
and have no baseline labs for comparison but YOU say yea bro start that AI NOW!

Im not going to sit here and go back and fourth with you because I already know how this is going to go. And quite frankly you have no idea who I am so your 'guys like you' statement is as ignorant as the rest of the statments. And just the same, I have no idea who you are so Im not taking a shot at you personally by any means.

But some of the statements youre making are either incorrect or not the optimal way of going about things.

No disrespect.

Shoot me a msg if you want to discuss further. I assure you I am not what you think I am in terms of knowledge.

 

[Dr JIM]

Your right you don't have to "sit there" but could stand instead and I don't care WHO you are bc it obvious you are just another "bro" that has done a "few cycles" and has roamed multiple forums to parrot what others say!

Otherwise can you post anything but anecdotal nonsense to support your position regarding the use of AIs as prophylaxis for asymptomatic cyclists, NOPE

Oh and I don't debate issues of this magnitude by PM, bc other members need to KNOW what is evidence based vs bro-science.

In addition MESO is an OPEN FORUM fella!

 

[Schredder]

Your right you don't have to "sit there" but could stand instead and I don't care WHO you are bc it obvious you are just another "bro" that has done a "few cycles" and has roamed multiple forums to parrot what others say!

It may seem this way to the untrained eye yes. But, i have been at this for over a decade. I like to pop in on the forums here and there to help out and provide helpful useful safe knowledge to members. I dont roam. So, no need to take your frustration out on me for what you lack.

Otherwise can you post anything but anecdotal nonsense to support your position regarding the use of AIs as prophylaxis for asymptomatic cyclists, NOPE

So is your stance that we should wait until symptoms of high Estradiol appear and/or are felt to start administraion of an AI rather than be proactive and never allow it to get to high?

Cyclists? Last I checked those rode things that had peddels and two wheels.

Oh and I don't debate issues of this magnitude by PM, bc other members need to KNOW what is evidence based vs bro-science.

Where is the scientific evidence which you are implying you have proved or are about to prove? I dont see any.

In addition MESO is an OPEN FORUM fella!

^^^^
AAS cyclists do NOT need an AI from day one and such a suggestion is bro-science pure and simple!

GCM develops in ONLY 30% of AAS users and that's a FACT, so
what your suggesting treats the 70% who will not develop this condition and that's OVERKILL.
Where on earth is the study that has taken every single person who has ever taken AAS and proved that only 30% of them got gyno? Thats right. It does not exists. If a study that does not include every person in the world states this 'fact' then it is just that, a 'fact'. Broooooooo science.

GCM is primarily GENETIC fella with a few other predisposing Risk Factors one being the use of AAS

It is not. We all have mammary glands, estrogen attaches to it, Testosterone converts to estergen via the aromatase enzyme (another thing we all have). AIs mitigate this.

People need to LEARN not to worry about their silly E-2 level unless symptoms of and elevated E-2 are present bc TJATS when AI or SERM therapy IS INDICATED!

I've seen many Meso members suggest prophylactic AI treatment even in the absence of baseline labs and knowing how many of these guys are "Blasting and Cruising" that's a recipe for hypo-E
signs and symptoms which can be much WORSE than a "sore tit" !

What do baseline labs tell us about what is going to happen? What does it tell other than what exactly is going on hormonally at the time of testing. Baseline labs provide no information about AI use. Mid cycle labs on the other hand do.

Jim

Really let me see all these evidence based "unhealthy issues" created from a high E-2 in the PRESENCE OF A NORMAL or better yet, a HIGH TT :E-2 ratio.

High e2 issues:
Edema (which can cause elevated BP)
Enlargment of prostate
ED
Lethargy
Changes in emotional behavior and/or sense of well being
Gynocomastia.

You mention T:E ratio in defence of high e2 and AI use. Are you indicating that if one was to have an e2 level of 500 as long as the TT level made the ratio ok then that e2 level is ok?

Let's not forget all the OTHER anabolic agents mates run simultaneously with TT to offset the effects of a "high E-2".

What agents are you speaking of?

Try reading my earlier posts on WHEN anti-estrogen therapy is indicated, bc Its clear you DO have some FACT learning to.

And you can start by reviewing MEDLINE or GOOGLE SCHOLAR for the
side effects of hyperestrogenemia in the presence of a NORMAL TT : E-2 ratio rather than posting "evidence"
as it's listed on some BLOG or self help TT BOARD.

Guys like you have many younger AAS experimentalists running around like some chicken with the head cut off
wondering if their E-2 is "to high"!

Again your 'guys like you' statement doesnt have a leg to stand on and such devensive behavior make me wonder if it may be you who has the bros runnin around like chickens.

Many are completely asymptomatic
and have no baseline labs for comparison but YOU say yea bro start that AI NOW!

 

[master.on]

So I am on my 3rd week with Testo E.. when I woke up in the morning I've noticed that my nipples
was quiet bloated and enlarged. And it was sore as hell, but later on the same day it turned normal.

Why is this happening? What should I do? This call is urgent, need som help guys.. sincerely Ron

Post some pics at various angles so we can know how bad it is
and if it is true gyno or just fatty chest
If you want you can create a new user for privacy
ask shills here. They create new users in a just couple minutes.

 

[Maktub]

I just don't get how people make threats and don't provide basic information.
Shit not even replay to their own threath.

We only know he is on his 3rd week of teste e ?? Okay so?
I'm pretty sure this is his firsth cycle.
How about dose?
Any ai? I don't think so .