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Pinnacle Elements
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DHT Better Than Testosterone For Muscle Building
Read this exciting story from Muscular Development September 2019. Mention DHT (dihydrotestosterone) and most men will envision a bald spot only a Franciscan Monk could appreciate, or a prostate the size of a cantaloupe.
Dihydrotestosterone stimulates amino acid uptake and the expression of LAT2 in mouse skeletal muscle fibres through an ERK1/2-dependent mechanism
In a recent study we showed that dihydrotestosterone (DHT), but not testosterone, increases force production in fast contracting muscles and decreases it in slow contracting ones. These findings led us to suggest that DHT may be a better muscle building ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
There’s conflicting evidence that DHT may promote skeletal muscle growth and increase fast twitch fibers well beyond the ability of testosterone.
My anecdotal experience is that it hardens you like a mofo and gives more of that true “alpha feeling” that everyone seeks from Riods. It really does feel good.
Eman
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I honestly don't really follow any of your logic.
First, you're not going to compete at a high level using injectable test+dht. Injectable DHT is not a smoking gun.
Using DHT in conjunction with TRT as a method of aromatase inhibition is also a bit out of left field... unless you're very unique, an AI on TRT is unusual and not likely needed.
DHT is derived from testosterone... so I'm not sure how they compliment each other if you inject them both. If you want DHT to increase, take testosterone and voila.
I'm not sure why you're considering synthetic AAS (they're all synthetic) inherently unhealthy. I'll assume you mean compounds derived from testosterone, DHT, etc when you say synthetic... some of them certainly do carry more risk than others, but I don't think they're inherently unhealthy just because they're not testosterone or they're not DHT. Both test+dht carry plenty of their own risks, which increase at supraphysiological doses.
There is one former member of the board that brewed his own DHT base and ran a cycle of it. It was an interesting read but I recall the results being generally unremarkable.
Alphagonad
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what’s a typical weekly dose of DHT?
PenguinPiss
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tell me you haven't read the thread without actually telling me
Sector
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Pinnacle Elements
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They exist.
Also look at these, there have been marketed esters of DHT
Androstanolone benzoate - Wikipedia
Androstanolone enanthate - Wikipedia
Androstanolone propionate - Wikipedia
Androstanolone valerate - Wikipedia
Sector
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It's an interesting concept. Not sure if I'd use estered dht, I mean I might try it, but I kind of like my masteron tbh. They'd be pretty comparable in terms of cosmetic effects, no?
The strange thing is, all the studies on DHT enanthate look good. Why was it really withdrawn and its derivatives introduced? You might give simple answers, but the results don't seem good enough to justify the derivatives emerging and it being removed from the market.
Pinnacle Elements
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I don’t think the derivatives were introduce in-lieu of, as they all exhibit different properties. Cannot tell you why it was withdrawn.
gferman
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The mythical unicorns... I have scoured the internet multiple times to try to find any information about these marketed esters but theres nothing besides the wiki page. Thats what i find so interesting and intriguing, they were marketed, not just synthesized, there are actual brand names, but nobody has heard of them, no info to be found.
gferman
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People who have tried both have said DHTE is stronger and even way stronger at lower doses than mast. I think you would like it but not sure if it would be worth it for a while in terms of cost.
I mix raw DHT powder in ethanol + MCT oil at 50mg/ml and pour it all over my body then massage it for good absorption and wait 30 minutes to shower.
I absorb a ton of it this way and it stays in the skin layers for almost the whole day. The skin acts as a slow releasing reservoir.
A quote from a biohackers discussing this topic on Twitter.
A study showing that average DHT levels in the 1980s were three times higher than today.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
A study showing that average DHT levels in the 1980s were three times higher than today.
Age variation of the 24-hour mean plasma concentrations of androgens, estrogens, and gonadotropins in normal adult men - PubMed
The 24-h mean plasma concentrations of androgens (dihydrotestosterone and total and free testosterone), estrogens (estrone and estradiol), and gonadotropins (LH and FSH) were measured in 35 healthy men, aged 21-85 yr, who were rigorously screened to exclude factors known or suspected to alter...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Liter O' Test
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so spend a bunch of money, get this exotic compoiund to give yourself baldness ,acne, age your skin and wreck your cholesterol to have your DHT higher than normal for "bioidentical health purposes"
dht, like estrogen, is a byproduct of testosterone metabolism that we need a little of, not something to mega dose
but lets hear some more whacky ideas from the "Don't use A.I" crowd.
"bro i feel totally fine with the estrogen of a pregnant woman, I just take some masteron and i feel great, im putting tons of mass on with these cupcakes, do these gym shorts make me look fat"?
dht, like estrogen, is a byproduct of testosterone metabolism that we need a little of, not something to mega dose
but lets hear some more whacky ideas from the "Don't use A.I" crowd.
"bro i feel totally fine with the estrogen of a pregnant woman, I just take some masteron and i feel great, im putting tons of mass on with these cupcakes, do these gym shorts make me look fat"?
I know many people who have increased DHT levels ten times above the reference without experiencing these issues. The reason for this debate is this: Today, if you want to inject E2, you can find E2 cypionate, despite high E2 being nonsense for men. But when you want to inject DHT, there is no source to do it as an ester.
I am not against AI usage. Those who use DHT seem sure it is not that dangerous. There are many people whose hair doesn't fall out. I haven't seen any studies showing a significant increase in cholesterol. Old studies also show good results for DHT. Yes, we want a bioidentical DHT ester instead of derivatives. Just like E2 cypionate, we want a DHT cypionate or enanthate. It's that simple.
The study I presented above indicates that our DHT should be three times today's levels. Similar reasons can start testosterone therapy. But saying DHT cannot be increased is nonsense.
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