Dipping my toes in the home brew pool. Couple of newb questions.

[Navysquid]

Hey Bros, I been researching about home brewing for about six months. I finally made a order with Panda for 100 g of test c, 10 g npp and 10 g of primo E. I plan to make test C in 200mg doses cause I blast and cruise with test at 200 a week for cruise and 5-6 hundred for blast. Im gonna brew the npp at 150 and the primo at 200. I got plenty of recipes and I'll be fine ( I hope). Im gonna use the standard 20/2 with mct oil. Now I cant find a good answer on a few things so I hope I can pick yall brains for a sec.

1.Whattman filters. Are these the true gold standard or are the a nice substitute. I will be using a syringe filter and know to use the PVFD .22 so far. Its the gauge im not sure on. Ive seen so many on amazon, gpz and amazon. Im sure I know which one to buy but just wanted yalls opinion. GPZ has one whatman for sale for 6 bucks a filter. Im sure that one will work I just wanted your opinions. I also know it needs to be sterile.

2. Dosing. If my supplier is reputable, ( I know subjective) but if they have tests in the 96-98 percent purity, should I still overdose 5-10 percent. I recently seen a test from CIRAWS where It got like 90%. Just curious cause I wanna nail my test dose as close to 200 as possible.

3. 30 ml bottles? If its a enanthate ester will a 30ml bottle degrade the stopper over time with out crazy solvents. I saw that king guy offer 50ml bottles. Member jumped all over him due to rubber particles causing contamination. For the record, I'd use 10ml bottles no problem, im just gonna push this with a caulking gun so I wanna minimize my labor. Not lazy, just not looking to do more than needed.

4. Can I use one filter for multiple compounds. In other words, if I purge the 60 ml of test im making and wanna make 60 ml of primo, can i just purge the filter with oil or air and use same filter for another compound. I heard they rated for up to 150ml or do I use one filter per compound.
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5.Steroid calculator on basskiller. Is there a calculator or a website for making blends. Basskiller seems to be very one compound measurements. If I wanted to make test c or PP with NPP to minimize oil injections, where would a calculator for that exist. For the record, im goona keep things simple at first but I would love to make a test and npp combo in the future.


THank you for taking the time to read this bros. I did a lot of research but I cant find all the info I need. Any help is appreciated.

 

[MrRoidsen]

1. PTFE or PVDF, 0,22 micra, the diameter of the filter the bigger better. But I strongly recommend you to invest in bottle top filtering.

2. I would overdose at 5% for the raw impurities.

3. 10ml but 20ml is also ok imo.

4. No, also you probably want to change the syringe filter every 30ml or so if you want to go fast because it clogs.

5. No idea, but you could just mix for example, 100ml of test p and 100ml of npp, and you would have 200ml of 50/50mg blend right?

 

[Eman]

30 ml bottles? If its a enanthate ester will a 30ml bottle degrade the stopper over time with out crazy solvents. I saw that king guy offer 50ml bottles. Member jumped all over him due to rubber particles causing contamination. For the record, I'd use 10ml bottles no problem, im just gonna push this with a caulking gun so I wanna minimize my labor. Not lazy, just not looking to do more than needed.

I agree with everything on the post above but, wanted to elaborate on this one... The solvents aren't so much the issue, it's the fact that you'll be drawing out of the stopper 3x more than you would with a 10ml. That many additional times really chews the stopper up and pieces can end up inside the vial. I've used 20ml vials but prefer to keep it to 10ml... The 20's were cutting it a little close for me but it was also prop so there were frequent draws.

 

[Navysquid]

1. PTFE or PVDF, 0,22 micra, the diameter of the filter the bigger better. But I strongly recommend you to invest in bottle top filtering.

2. I would overdose at 5% for the raw impurities.

3. 10ml but 20ml is also ok imo.

4. No, also you probably want to change the syringe filter every 30ml or so if you want to go fast because it clogs.ry

5. No idea, but you could just mix for example, 100ml of test p and 100ml of npp, and you would have 200ml of 50/50mg blend right?

So your'e saying to change my Whatman filter every 30 ml? I keep hearing they last for up to 150. I will research this more.

 

[MrRoidsen]

So your'e saying to change my Whatman filter every 30 ml? I keep hearing they last for up to 150. I will research this more.

You can still use it, but it will go slower and slower.

I don't think a syringe filter could last 150ml, for such quantities you should use bottle top, as the have a bigger filtering area, and don't clog as much.

 

[Crunchy73]

I went the same way as OP, and do syringe filters

Last brew, 5 days ago for my next cycle Primo at 200mg/ml, test C at 250mg/ml both in Mct with 18/1,5. 60ml total easily got through a 22um /33mm PTFE.

 

[Navysquid]

I went the same way as OP, and do syringe filters

Last brew, 5 days ago for my next cycle Primo at 200mg/ml, test C at 250mg/ml both in Mct with 18/1,5. 60ml total easily got through a 22um /33mm PTFE.

What’s the reason behind the decrease in BA? Less irritation.

 

[Crunchy73]

What’s the reason behind the decrease in BA? Less irritation.

Honestly, nothing major. Have just read that less Ba = less Irritation. And many brew, 15/1. If it true or not, I don't know. But both brews holds well, so I don't sweat it or use much cognitive efforts on it.
I'm fairly confident in my brewing being sterile, so anything above 1% BA will be sufficient

 

[Navysquid]

Honestly, nothing major. Have just read that less Ba = less Irritation. And many brew, 15/1. If it true or not, I don't know. But both brews holds well, so I don't sweat it or use much cognitive efforts on it.
I'm fairly confident in my brewing being sterile, so anything above 1% BA will be sufficient

Good to know

 

[MFAAS]

I like 20 mL bottles. Feel like that's the sweet spot, personally. Not too big not too small. In my experience at 20 mL good quality stoppers won't break down even if you're pinning daily. I don't think I would go any larger than that though.

 

[Jet Labs]

So your'e saying to change my Whatman filter every 30 ml? I keep hearing they last for up to 150. I will research this more.

If you use a good mct oil a whatman .22 filter can filter 100mls easily, but I toss em after that just for peace of mind.

 

[Jet Labs]

I like 20 mL bottles. Feel like that's the sweet spot, personally. Not too big not too small. In my experience at 20 mL good quality stoppers won't break down even if you're pinning daily. I don't think I would go any larger than that though.

I absolutely LOVE 50ml jugs and the stopper always holds up when poked daily.

 

[Navysquid]

I absolutely LOVE 50ml jugs and the stopper always holds up when poked daily.

You’re in the minority. Most say they don’t hold up

 

[Navysquid]

Now I just gotta get my panda Raws.

 

[Jet Labs]

You’re in the minority. Most say they don’t hold up

I pull with 20g pins and no issues here. If you have any brewing question hit me up brother

 

[Navysquid]

I pull with 20g pins and no issues here. If you have any brewing question hit me up brother

I so will. Bout to do test c 200, primo 200 and npp 150.

 

[Jet Labs]

I so will. Bout to do test c 200, primo 200 and npp 150.

Is this you first brew?

 

[TrennedOutLunatic]

Hey Bros, I been researching about home brewing for about six months. I finally made a order with Panda for 100 g of test c, 10 g npp and 10 g of primo E. I plan to make test C in 200mg doses cause I blast and cruise with test at 200 a week for cruise and 5-6 hundred for blast. Im gonna brew the npp at 150 and the primo at 200. I got plenty of recipes and I'll be fine ( I hope). Im gonna use the standard 20/2 with mct oil. Now I cant find a good answer on a few things so I hope I can pick yall brains for a sec.

Npp at 100.
Primo at 100.
BB 20%
BA 2%

1.Whattman filters. Are these the true gold standard or are the a nice substitute. I will be using a syringe filter and know to use the PVFD .22 so far. Its the gauge im not sure on. Ive seen so many on amazon, gpz and amazon. Im sure I know which one to buy but just wanted yalls opinion. GPZ has one whatman for sale for 6 bucks a filter. Im sure that one will work I just wanted your opinions. I also know it needs to be sterile.

No they are not and fuck using the syringe filters.
Bottle tops. Pvdf 0.22um individually packaged sterile alibaba 4$ case of 24.

2. Dosing. If my supplier is reputable, ( I know subjective) but if they have tests in the 96-98 percent purity, should I still overdose 5-10 percent. I recently seen a test from CIRAWS where It got like 90%. Just curious cause I wanna nail my test dose as close to 200 as possible.

5-10% OD

3. 30 ml bottles? If its a enanthate ester will a 30ml bottle degrade the stopper over time with out crazy solvents. I saw that king guy offer 50ml bottles. Member jumped all over him due to rubber particles causing contamination. For the record, I'd use 10ml bottles no problem, im just gonna push this with a caulking gun so I wanna minimize my labor. Not lazy, just not looking to do more than needed.

20ml.
The caulking gun will make you suffer.

4. Can I use one filter for multiple compounds. In other words, if I purge the 60 ml of test im making and wanna make 60 ml of primo, can i just purge the filter with oil or air and use same filter for another compound. I heard they rated for up to 150ml or do I use one filter per compound.

Yes you can. I would prefer the testosterone to be without cross contamination. The rest idgaf

No they won't do 150ml.
More like 50.
I've used every single brand available.

5.Steroid calculator on basskiller. Is there a calculator or a website for making blends. Basskiller seems to be very one compound measurements. If I wanted to make test c or PP with NPP to minimize oil injections, where would a calculator for that exist. For the record, im goona keep things simple at first but I would love to make a test and npp combo in the future.

???
Syringe and the beaker is your calculators. If they are accurate.
I checked my beakers and they are accurate.
Throw in the compound.
Piss 20%BB inside
Piss 2% BA inside
Fill the rest with oil up to the desired level.

1. PTFE or PVDF, 0,22 micra, the diameter of the filter the bigger better. But I strongly recommend you to invest in bottle top filtering.

Yes.

2. I would overdose at 5% for the raw impurities.

Yes.

3. 10ml but 20ml is also ok imo.

Yes.

4. No, also you probably want to change the syringe filter every 30ml or so if you want to go fast because it clogs.

Yes.

5. No idea, but you could just mix for example, 100ml of test p and 100ml of npp, and you would have 200ml of 50/50mg blend right?

Theoretically you can do anything.
I need to be able to manipulate my dosages. I am against blends.

So your'e saying to change my Whatman filter every 30 ml? I keep hearing they last for up to 150. I will research this more.

You will figure it out. After some ml,you will see what he means. The filter will tell you when it needs change. You will feel it. You will.

You are hearing wrong about the 150ml.

You can still use it, but it will go slower and slower.

Yes. Till a single drop doesn't pass.

I don't think a syringe filter could last 150ml, for such quantities you should use bottle top, as the have a bigger filtering area, and don't clog as much.

Yes.

What’s the reason behind the decrease in BA? Less irritation.

Not a single person that has injected my gear ever had a problem or complaint. At normal concentrations.
20 bb.
2 ba.

I like 20 mL bottles. Feel like that's the sweet spot, personally. Not too big not too small. In my experience at 20 mL good quality stoppers won't break down even if you're pinning daily. I don't think I would go any larger than that though.

Yes.

If you use a good mct oil a whatman .22 filter can filter 100mls easily, but I toss em after that just for peace of mind.

Nope.

I absolutely LOVE 50ml jugs and the stopper always holds up when poked daily.

Me too. It holds up only when poked daily with 27g needle. Tried soooooo many rubbers you cannot imagine.

You’re in the minority. Most say they don’t hold up

Because they don't.
I was a big fan of the 50ml too,till I stopped being a fan.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

1. Gpz has the widest filters ive seen at .22 which means faster filtering.

2. I always do 5-10%. You never know now what you got unless you have it lab tested. There are certain characteristics I look for though with different compounds and some them can be seen in my bloodwork.

3. The bigger the vial the more the rubber gets worn especially for a short ester. Some time I will store and only filter a little at a time.


4. Its up to you on that one there is not much held in the filter anyways. I use the steroid calculator for blends you just have to do a little more math. If the displacements are different i just split the difference and have had no problems so far. Recently i did test c and deca. I did equal parts and brewed a 200mg/ml solution. Smooth as butter and held fast with 13% bb.

 

[Jet Labs]

Npp at 100.
Primo at 100.
BB 20%
BA 2%

No they are not and fuck using the syringe filters.
Bottle tops. Pvdf 0.22um individually packaged sterile alibaba 4$ case of 24.

5-10% OD

20ml.
The caulking gun will make you suffer.

Yes you can. I would prefer the testosterone to be without cross contamination. The rest idgaf

No they won't do 150ml.
More like 50.
I've used every single brand available.


???
Syringe and the beaker is your calculators. If they are accurate.
I checked my beakers and they are accurate.
Throw in the compound.
Piss 20%BB inside
Piss 2% BA inside
Fill the rest with oil up to the desired level.


Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Theoretically you can do anything.
I need to be able to manipulate my dosages. I am against blends.

You will figure it out. After some ml,you will see what he means. The filter will tell you when it needs change. You will feel it. You will.

You are hearing wrong about the 150ml.

Yes. Till a single drop doesn't pass.

Yes.


Not a single person that has injected my gear ever had a problem or complaint. At normal concentrations.
20 bb.
2 ba.


Yes.


Nope.

Me too. It holds up only when poked daily with 27g needle. Tried soooooo many rubbers you cannot imagine.

Because they don't.
I was a big fan of the 50ml too,till I stopped being a fan.

Nope what? You disagree that's fine, but it don't change the fact I run 100mls through per filter and have done so for years with zero issues.

Also 2/20 is so outdated bro, oils only need 1%ba and most injects do just fine with 10-15%bb. Why use more bb if not necessary is all I'm saying.