Dirts Brew log

[Dirthand]

First and foremost welcome to the club. Gear will be cheap and you will tempted to run grams of it. Don't

On the business side. Keep Test C and Tren E close to 250mg at most. 300mg is pushing it and it will (literally) bite you in the ass even if they don't crash (Test C WILL crash on that concentration in the winter months)

You have everything else figured out it seems, I would add the BA/BB after you reached max target temp and you have dissolved the raws with the oil only, they won't get damaged per se but BA/BB vapors are annoying. Filter warm -not hot it will go faster.

As for terminal heat sterilization, it's not necessary, I would only opt for it if I was forced to work with open vials that I had to sterilize myself as an added step.

Tag away, happy to help when I can

I was really hoping you would chime in! I appreciate the words.. are there any hazards from running the BB a little higher say at 25 or 26 vs 18 to 20. Just to make sure it says in solution. A little better?

 

[qadsan]

The only thing I’ll add to what Narta said about TNE, and he’s going to like this because I’m making it with castor oil and it holds at 100 mg/mL.

31% propylene glycol, 16% benzyl alcohol, and 5% non-denatured ethyl alcohol, which allows TNE to be drawn and injected via 29g without pip (at least for me). I’m also planning to try this orally as well.

My Process:
Heat castor oil and test base to 200F while stirring for ~20 minutes. Once the temp is back down to below 120°F, then I add in the benzyl and ethyl alcohol and stir for another 20 minutes.

DITEST, which is a newer oral form of native testosterone (test base) is made this way, but their formulation is only for about 50 mg/mL and I’ve taken it to 100 mg/mL with my process above without any problems. Yes, this is an oral formulation, but I’ve also been injecting it over the last week (no pip) and won’t have time to do anything further with it for a while because I just found out I have to leave town for an unknown length of time, but I don’t believe anybody here or anywhere else has posted about this what I can tell.

Here’s one study about it…

An oral lipidic native testosterone formulation that is absorbed independent of food

There is no licensed oral native testosterone (NT) because of challenges in the formulation. Licensed oral formulations of the ester, testosterone undecanoate (TU), require a meal for absorption and generate supraphysiological dihydrotestosterone (DHT) ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[nightprowler7]

I was really hoping you would chime in! I appreciate the words.. are there any hazards from running the BB a little higher say at 25 or 26 vs 18 to 20. Just to make sure it says in solution. A little better?

As @Spaceman Spiff has said, primo amps were like 50-60%bb and guys would inject one a day on the modest end. I believe spacemanspiff also uses 40% in his personal brews too

If you make test c at the generic 200mg ml with standard 20% bb. Or you make test c 300 with 22% bb, you'll still have consumed less bb in the test c 300

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

As @Spaceman Spiff has said, primo amps were like 50-60%bb and guys would inject one a day on the modest end. I believe spacemanspiff also uses 40% in his personal brews too

If you make test c at the generic 200mg ml with standard 20% bb. Or you make test c 300 with 22% bb, you'll still have consumed less bb in the test c 300

I do 45-50 in castor oil products. More for thinning


25% in test c 250
30% in test d 500

 

[narta]

The only thing I’ll add to what Narta said about TNE, and he’s going to like this because I’m making it with castor oil and it holds at 100 mg/mL.

I think using castor in esterless injectible compounds defeats the purpose, because you want fast absorption in order to optimize the androgenic component of the compound. Slowing down absorption isn't optimal even if ti helps with concentration

 

[Akc83]

I started with syringe filters a little more than a dozen years ago. It was just basic test c at the beginning, and later with npp, mast and primo. Got more heavily into it these past few years with more equipment just because it was fun and I wanted more control over my gear, trying blends, etc. I’m a bit of a newbie brewer compared to many here.

Do you have any blend recipes you would like to share or anyone else would like to share?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I think using castor in esterless injectible compounds defeats the purpose, because you want fast absorption in order to optimize the androgenic component of the compound. Slowing down absorption isn't optimal even if ti helps with concentration

Well.. what if you want it to last a little bit longer. I'm glad doesn't need some super solvents

 

[Dirthand]

I do 45-50 in castor oil products. More for thinning


25% in test c 250
30% in test d 500

I'm not well versed in ester weights per mg delivery, but what I've read about test d the Ester weight is heavier than testc so does that mean you would have to run a higher dose per week of test d to get the same amount if dope in your body?

 

[Dirthand]

Well.. what if you want it to last a little bit longer. I'm glad doesn't need some super solvents

So even if it slower delivery but higher concentration you could possibly be getting the same amount?

 

[narta]

I'm not well versed in ester weights per mg delivery

Acetate 12%
Propionate 16%
PhenylPropionate 33%
Cypionate 30%
Enanthate 32%
Decanoate 35%
Undecanoate 37%
Undecylenate 37%

 

[narta]

Well.. what if you want it to last a little bit longer. I'm glad doesn't need some super solvents

I personally don't see the need other than increasing the concentration and since test is available in acetate that has roughly 1 day hl

 

[Dirthand]

Acetate 12%
Propionate 16%
PhenylPropionate 33%
Cypionate 30%
Enanthate 32%
Decanoate 35%
Undecanoate 37%
Undecylenate 37%

So basically you would dose 5% higher on test d then test c? If you are running 500mg weekly testc and switched to test d you'd run 525mg really not much difference. Appreciate it!

 

[kain]

So basically you would dose 5% higher on test d then test c? If you are running 500mg weekly testc and switched to test d you'd run 525mg really not much difference. Appreciate it!

Curious about this also. I put them both in steroidplotter and it looks like test D at the same dose and frequency is a higher concentration. Cyp is the lower one. Both 250mg every 3.5 days.

 

[Dirthand]

Curious about this also. I put them both in steroidplotter and it looks like test D at the same dose and frequency is a higher concentration. Cyp is the lower one. Both 250mg every 3.5 days.

I typed them in a plotter app 1 at a time at 250 cyp was releases 62mg per day and Dec releases 52mg per day.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I'm not well versed in ester weights per mg delivery, but what I've read about test d the Ester weight is heavier than testc so does that mean you would have to run a higher dose per week of test d to get the same amount if dope in your body?

I would just like to comment that I love how you referred to testosterone as dope.

Not dope as in "cool," but in the meth/opioid sense. We're all addicts.

Some people find Jesus. Others find a gym & steroids.

 

[Ghoul]

I would just like to comment that I love how you referred to testosterone as dope.

Not dope as in "cool," but in the meth/opioid sense. We're all addicts.

Some people find Jesus. Others find a gym & steroids.

Addiction is an immutable personality trait. Choosing a virtuous one helps take up the space that might otherwise get filled with a harmful one.

 

[kain]

I typed them in a plotter app 1 at a time at 250 cyp was releases 62mg per day and Dec releases 52mg per day.

Here’s what I saw, maybe reading it wrong? Check out my protocol on SteroidPlotter.com

If you adjust decanoate to 250mg e7d, the plots are more similar.

And chat gpt response (not saying it’s right):

Testosterone decanoate and testosterone cypionate are both forms of testosterone, but they have different half-lives and pharmacokinetics, which means they are metabolized and cleared from the body at different rates.

- **Testosterone cypionate** has a half-life of approximately 8 days.
- **Testosterone decanoate** has a longer half-life, around 15 days.

To determine an equivalent weekly dose, we need to consider the total amount of testosterone delivered over a given period.

### Example Calculation:

Assume a common weekly dose for testosterone cypionate is 200 mg per week.

#### For Testosterone Cypionate:
- Weekly dose: 200 mg

#### For Testosterone Decanoate:
Given its longer half-life, you would typically administer it less frequently, but for comparison on a weekly basis:

1. **Determine the total dose over a period equivalent to the half-life**:
- Since testosterone decanoate has a half-life of about 15 days, you might typically dose every 2 weeks (14 days).

2. **Equivalent weekly dose**:
- To find the equivalent weekly dose, you need to account for the half-life difference. If you administer 200 mg of testosterone cypionate weekly, you should maintain the same average testosterone level with testosterone decanoate.

3. **Adjust for the half-life**:
- The total dose over 14 days would be 400 mg for testosterone cypionate.

Considering the longer half-life of testosterone decanoate, a similar weekly dose might be slightly adjusted to account for its extended release. Therefore, you might use a dose close to or slightly less than 400 mg every two weeks for testosterone decanoate, translating to an equivalent weekly dose of around 200 mg, though in practical terms, it might be closer to 180-200 mg per week.

### Summary:
For practical purposes, if you're using 200 mg of testosterone cypionate weekly, you might use approximately 180-200 mg of testosterone decanoate per week to achieve a similar level of testosterone in the body.

However, it's essential to consult with a healthcare professional before making any changes to medication regimens, as individual needs can vary based on specific health conditions and responses to treatment.

 

[Deskoze38192]

Addiction is an immutable personality trait. Choosing a virtuous one helps take up the space that might otherwise get filled with a harmful one.

Well said. I agree definitely

 

[Heavy Iron]

I am using sealed sterile vials and the caulking gun method with the IV hose.

When I got into brewing years and years ago I went this route as well.... After that first 100ml I never did it again lol.

I will say that I have brewed thousands upon thousands of ML of gear and never once did I check temperature.

I don’t know who you’re asking, but I’ll give you a reply. When I brew I use as little heat as possible. I actually keep my hot plate on the absolute lowest setting basically warm. I use a separate magnetic stirrer. Since I’m trying to use as a little heat as possible, I’m never bringing the brew up to a certain temperature because that is never the goal. I stir and then warm as needed. Using heat will bring your solution clear and then get the grainy particles dissolved pretty quickly and very little is needed for that Heat does damage raws.
Heat is never used to dissipate moisture if there is moisture in your brew, you fucked up and just throw it away

This right here. Once you get into it everything I've done is by sight and touch.

 

[SunWukong]

Curious about this also. I put them both in steroidplotter and it looks like test D at the same dose and frequency is a higher concentration. Cyp is the lower one. Both 250mg every 3.5 days.

Longer half life takes longer to saturate but then you have multiple half lives built up. I have same levels on 80mg undecanoate as 125mg Cypionate but had to front load undecanoate everyday for about 2 weeks. So basically when I switched, 60mg everyday for a week then 40mg everyday for another week now 40mg twice a week.