DNP log — 6'4 222lbs (193cm 100kg) 20%BF

[breakingbee]

Sup guys. The starting weight is from about a month ago, I have not weighed myself since and have already been on a ~500 kcal deficit no alcohol/no cheat meal(yet) cut for 3 weeks, so I probably weighed a little less before starting the DNP. It's Mactropin's old batch if anyone is wondering.

Now on my fifth day @ 200mg crystal DNP, with 20mg Ephedrine and 200mg caffeine twice a day. Well actually the Ephedrine I only started yesterday, because I bought 100 20mg ephedrine pills and 100 40mg clen pills from my vendor and they came unmarked (good stealth y'know) and I assumed the smaller ones were eph. But after noticing my hands were trembling and getting some cramps I messaged my vendor and found out it's the other way around, so like an idiot also been taking 80mg clen/day for 4 days. I stopped that now.

DNP sides are barely noticeable; just faster breathing, greenish looking piss, and a sore throat/mild headache in the morning if I didn't wake up in the night to down some water. No real sweating. I have been debating increasing to 400mg sometime because 200mg crystal seems like a small dose for someone of my stature, but I have a lot of work and studying to do and cannot sacrifice that in the name of DNP.

Ideally I'd cut down 22lbs/10kg to 10%BF at 200lbs/90kg. But I'm not expecting to do that on 3 weeks of low dose DNP. I have the clen and EC stack to continue the cut after. I won't weigh myself till I'm done with the DNP, will update

 

[Eman]

I would stick to the 200mg for at least 7 days before increasing... If you're doing 3 weeks then I'd do half the time at 200mg and then increase for the second half of the cycle.

Electrolytes and fruit will help the headaches.

 

[breakingbee]

I would stick to the 200mg for at least 7 days before increasing... If you're doing 3 weeks then I'd do half the time at 200mg and then increase for the second half of the cycle.

Electrolytes and fruit will help the headaches.

Yeah I'll decide on the 8th day, I do work in oranges and bananas in my daily kcal and although not taking an electrolyte supplement or drinking sports drinks I put a lot more salt on my food; and my last meal before bed is a 500ml whole milk 60g protein shake which should have enough electrolytes I think

 

[Abt]

it’s better to weigh yourself each day am and take week average to see how everything goes and adjust each kcals to that

Or is this some kind of experiment? What are you planning to do with ur kcals?

 

[breakingbee]

it’s better to weigh yourself each day am and take week average to see how everything goes and adjust each kcals to that

Or is this some kind of experiment? What are you planning to do with ur kcals?

I would weigh myself but my scale is 50km away from me, and I'm not reassessing my kcal because difference in TDEE is negligible really cuz I'm already underestimating my deficit by a good bit, I round everything up big. My biggest meal is always tons of veggies usually only 500-600kcal but I round it up to 1000kcal, my breakfast is usually 200kcal but I think of it as 400kcal and then lunch is around 600 but I think of it as 1000kcal. And this is without my protein shake. This is what works for me on a cut lol make myself think I'm eating more and underestimate my deficit I swear I feel less hungry if I do this call it placebo if you will. This way I lose more in the beginning of my cut and 20lbs later I'm still eating at a deficit without worrying about changing my kcal intake

 

[Abt]

Won't you feel like shit if you're that low on kcals? you would feel better and your results would probably also be better if you adjusted your kcals weekly. If you don't want to go lower on kcals just up the cardio.

 

[breakingbee]

On a normal cut yeah probably but DNP and ephedrine are supposed to be anti catabolic anyway so why not and EC stack keeps me from feeling like shit but of course it's not sustainable for extended periods of time.

But I mean you're right of course I know my way is kind of dumb but it works for me

 

[liteboost]

Im sorry but these log threads are getting more stupid day by day. 193cm and 100kg guy "trying" to lose 10kg (10% of bodymass) by using Ephedrine, DNP and Caffeine stack. Won't weigh himself at the beginning because he has no scale at home and will not buy one. Instead he probably buys more DNP Ephedrine and Caffeine.

Zero mention about how his nutrition or training is other than vague remarks about eating 600kcal veggie meal and a 200kcal meal which he "thinks" is 400kcal and some rambling about 600kcal lunch.

Seriously man, wake up! Ditch the drugs and go buy sneakers and do some cardio and eat low carbs. You will lose that 10kg in few months.

 

[breakingbee]

My scale is at home bro I'm just elsewhere for work for an extended time and I've been on a cut for 3 weeks already without any drugs. Seriously man I do this every year from april until summer it's just this year I'm trying out DNP to maybe get to a lower BF% than usual. I don't care to type out all my nutrition.

My training is limited because gyms have been closed for almost 6 months now, so all I have is two adjustable dumbbells that go to 30kg I could throw in the trunk of my car. But I can do a 4x times a week PHUL type program with them so my training is fine.

 

[breakingbee]

If it is of any importance 4 years ago I was a skinny fat fuck at 193cm 75kg at around same BF% so my normal bulk and cut routine has been pretty good to me, I have just never gotten as low as 10%

 

[Night_Owl]

I will never understand why people do DNP.

You realize there are lots of stories online about people getting cataracts in their eyes because of DNP right?

Not to mention all the other side effects, or even death.

Why not just go on a diet and do cardio like normal people?

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I will never understand why people do DNP.

You realize there are lots of stories online about people getting cataracts in their eyes because of DNP right?

Not to mention all the other side effects, or even death.

Why not just go on a diet and do cardio like normal people?

I will never understand why people do steroids?

I've heart stories about serious heart related issues online, like heart attacks and high BP issues.

I've even heard about people dying from those heart attacks/strokes

Why not just train hard and eat like normal people?


Because it's much.....much faster......

Not to mention, DNP has some really great periphery effects that are unrelated to far loss
Such as resetting insulin sensitivity (Its being researched as a cure for type 2 diabetes)
Or its abilities as an anti carcinogen.
Or possibilities in shrinking tumors

HOWEVER
I'll 100% agree this dude (OP) is not a fucking poster child for responsibility
and your comment is definitely NOT out of place or unreasonable here brother.

But the responsible use of DNP, by guys who are already in good shape... dont go crazy on doses a d capitalize on DNPs other great effects.
TBH, I think fat loss is one of the less useful effects of DNP
in comparison to the other benefits it could have on a bodybuilder

 

[Night_Owl]

@Silentlemon1011 I agree with you 100% brother, maybe I should have worded it differently. Thank you for the information.

 

[breakingbee]

I do agree if you think rationally DNP is not worth it for a casual like myself because of the risks associated with it. I don't pretend it's responsible to take DNP at a high 20BF% when it's still easy to cut the normal way. Doesn't mean I can't take the risk though.

Increased to 400mg so 4mg/kg/day from day 5, have not had bad side effects. Lethargy is the worst of it, heat and sweat only in the morning when getting out of bed.

Lost 5kg so far so 5% of body weight. Am severely bloated with muscles flat as fuck, lots of water weight maybe cause I salt my meals way more than usual. Tomorrow will be day 14 and my last day because I am happy with the results and don't want to push it, I'll update after I've been off a week or two if I've dropped water weight

 

[breakingbee]

Update 8 days after last dose. I know this log has been kinda shit so I'll try to make this post a bit better.
I ended up taking one day off after day 14, then doing 3 days more to use up the rest of my caps. So total run was 18 days.

Cycle:
4 days at 200mg or 2mg/kg/day
10 days at 400mg or 4mg/kg/day
1 day off
3 days at 400mg or 4mg/kg/day

Results:
I was 100kg or 220lbs and I thought 20% BF, but now I see I vastly underestimated, I must've been 23%. My caliper read 23.3% but I couldn't believe it, I can never see how fat I get until I lose it. Looking at my progress pics (sorry don't feel comfortable posting those) and in the mirror now that I'm really a lot leaner, I can see it was correct.
A week after my DNP run with the extra water weight gone, I now weigh 92kg/203lbs so I have lost 8kg/18lbs. I can easily see my shoulders more rounded, more pronounced triceps, abs popping a lot more. Surprised at how much much leaner my stomach and thighs are when I grab em.
I calculated my lean body mass before at 77kg so let's say I lost 1kg of muscle during my run so it's now 76kg, that puts me at 92kg with 17% BF.
Not bad at all for not even 3 weeks, for what would take me months naturally.

Diet:
My TDEE is around 2500 calories and before I was easily eating 3000-4500kcal. Have now been eating between 1800-2200kcal for a month or so, I just get 150g protein everyday and 200g carbs 50g fat. I log sometimes but not a lot because I always eat the same pretty much. Only cheat meal so far was this Friday I skipped dinner so I could have chips and a bottle of booze for 2000kcal, was 3000kcal for the day, I planned it because I could drink alcohol again coming off the DNP but don't plan have a cheat meal/day again soon. Honestly because DNP is so serious and I wanted to get 100% out of it, it was really great for motivating me to fix my diet. I'm finding it very easy to continue a big deficit now after my run. Yeah I know that's fucking stupid that it would take DNP for someone to fix their diet.

Example:
Breakfast - 40g muesli & 200ml skimmed milk
Lunch - 20ml peanut oil & 4 potatoes & 100g zuchinni & 250g chicken breast
Dinner: 40g muesli & 200ml skimmed milk
And before bed shake of 80g protein powder & 200ml whole milk with water

Totals: 1826kcal / 178g carbs / 55g fat / 149g protein
Pretty much something like this day every.

Training:
Was utter shite on DNP. Was still lifting 4-5 days a week but instead of 2-3 exercises per body part I just chose 1 per body part and did 10x10 german volume training style. Way lower weights too. Found it doable this way.

Conclusion:
So yeah DNP results are pretty great for the little time a run takes. But still got a long ways to go on my cut. Adjusting my goal to 12% BF so that's another 6kg to lose, the proper normal way now. I wouldn't do DNP again at the beginning of a cut, would be way more ideal at the end, for me it was just now or never because I could stay home for a few weeks and couldn't do that the next months and sure as shit wouldn't do it in summer anyway.
You do feel like utter shite on DNP. Didn't realise how depressed it was making me feel until I got off.

 

[6FootFatty]

Pictures?

 

[malfeasance]

My caliper read 23.3% but I couldn't believe it, I can never see how fat I get until I lose it. Looking at my progress pics (sorry don't feel comfortable posting those) and in the mirror now that I'm really a lot leaner, I can see it was correct.

Calipers are bullshit. Post the pics so we can see.

 

[malfeasance]

Breakfast - 40g muesli & 200ml skimmed milk
Lunch - 20ml peanut oil & 4 potatoes & 100g zuchinni & 250g chicken breast
Dinner: 40g muesli & 200ml skimmed milk
And before bed shake of 80g protein powder & 200ml whole milk with water

Totals: 1826kcal / 178g carbs / 55g fat / 149g protein
Pretty much something like this day every.

Drop milk

Drop shake before bed.

Drop Muesli.

Not much left, huh?

Add eggs and chicken. Get protein over 250 grams per day without shakes. You are not going to be hungry on this cut.

Add carbs to some meals, especially right around workout time. Use oats, rice, potato, sweet potato. Cycle carbs. 250 grams, 125 grams, 0 grams, repeat.

Fats - get low.

Notice on high day protein and carbs alone will be 2000 calories, but will get successively lower on 2nd and 3rd days, then back high.

Cardio. I do not see it laid out. Do it. Something that uses your body weight, like a step mill or a stepper or riding a bicycle outside (notice I said nothing about an indoor stationary bike). Increase time and intensity as your progress.

You can change the carb cycle as needed depending upon what you see in the mirror, but keep the protein high.

Hit the hard stuff. Barbell rows, squats, deadlift or rack pulls, not just the easy comfy stuff.

Keep this log running with progress pics. You'll be shredded before summer is over.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Drop milk

Drop shake before bed.

Drop Muesli.

Not much left, huh?

Add eggs and chicken. Get protein over 250 grams per day without shakes. You are not going to be hungry on this cut.

Add carbs to some meals, especially right around workout time. Use oats, rice, potato, sweet potato. Cycle carbs. 250 grams, 125 grams, 0 grams, repeat.

Fats - get low.

Notice on high day protein and carbs alone will be 2000 calories, but will get successively lower on 2nd and 3rd days, then back high.

Cardio. I do not see it laid out. Do it. Something that uses your body weight, like a step mill or a stepper or riding a bicycle outside (notice I said nothing about an indoor stationary bike). Increase time and intensity as your progress.

You can change the carb cycle as needed depending upon what you see in the mirror, but keep the protein high.

Hit the hard stuff. Barbell rows, squats, deadlift or rack pulls, not just the easy comfy stuff.

Keep this log running with progress pics. You'll be shredded before summer is over.

Damn
You should coach
That's solid

 

[malfeasance]

Damn
You should coach
That's solid

Not a chance in hell.

Nobody listens to me - the longest stretch is 14 days. The one exception is my wife, and that's probably only because I guided her to a trophy last time, so now she doesn't question my suggestions.

Plus the $$$ is not as good as my 9-5, so I would literally be stealing time from higher paying productive time for lower paying productive time, which does not seem like a good swap to me.

I just like to pretend I know something on the internet, LOL!