Do DHT derivatives really have unique cosmetic benefits? Or could it be just due to adding more total dose of gear/diet ?

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Who has had careful changes to their protocol and noticed a very specific change that was caused by the drug and not due to diet/increasing the total dose of gear?

Who has done most of the cut on Deca+Test or Just test, and then made a change only once their lean at the end ?
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How much of these specific cosmetic affects of DHT derivatives are just attributable to an increase in total dosage? Does anybody keep the total dosage the same and instead just switch compounds? I see this scenario often:
“I’m looking to add masteron/primo/Anavar/winstrol/Tren to get cut up for summer “ Often they will be guys using a base dose of testosterone, and will add these other compounds on top and will begin a diet and get leaner- and they’ll report positive experience/objectively visible results. What I’m wondering about this improved aesthetic:

1.)How much came from losing fat/dieting?
2.) How much came from increasing the total dosage of aas by adding primabolan/masteron to the cycle?( often this is the case, because most people who are on 250mg testosterone don’t cut the dose of test down to 100mg and then add in 150mg primo/masteron/dhb/tren, often they add the compound on top of their existing protocol which further increases nitrogen retention and increases the rate of glycogen replenishment)
3.) and how much of this was directly attributable to the fact that there was a DHT derivative making them harder looking?

In addition to these questions I’d also be curious to hear any anecdotes from people who’ve made aas protocol changes but kept the total dose the same. For example, somebody doing and off-season blast of a 500mg Testosterone and then they do a cut on 300mg testosterone and 200mg primo/masteron/dhb/ add Anavar. Another scenario I’d like to hear is people who begin a cut on one set of compounds- say for example 1000mg testosterone and then once they get lean they then switch to 500 testosterone/500 primo/masteron/tren etc.

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In my case for example- I’m cutting on the same protocol that I used in my offseason to build tissue in a caloric surplus. And since being in a hard deficit for 7 weeks now, I’m much leaner, harder, and more vascular- but I’m running Testosterone Deca and Tren, at the exact same doses in my offseason. I’m wondering how much am I really missing out by not cutting on masteron/primo.
My plan, was to just stick with this same protocol, and then once I get to where I want around 6-7% then I want to lower the total doses of everything I’m on and add in injectable winstrol for the “dick skin thin “ look. I know winstrol is known to do this by reducing collagen in the skin, making the skin thinner, but im not getting my hopes up for a totally different harder look other than what’s brought by having physically thinner skin. I don’t like the idea of a water base, so if masteron/primo/Anavar could offer the same benefits to this, I’d very much rather use those instead. If they are even needed and will provide anything. Like what happens if I get to 6% bodyfat on test/Deca. How much different will I look compared to do the same thing on Test+Masteron/Primo etc?

Incase anyone wants to see, the pictures of me from 7 weeks ago, I feel like most would believe me if I said I started cutting and switch to Testosterone and masteron. Maybe I’m wrong, but Most people wouldn’t think I’m still just on Test/Deca primarily.
 
What’s going to happen if I were to just run test Deca and Tren and then drop the test 2 weeks from peaking ?

Do you think I’m really missing out by nothing having masteron through out this or using winny at the end ?

I’m wondering if I get as lean as I want to be, how much difference will it really make ?
 
Total mg's is what it really counts
If off-season using 2g of gear
And in the cut u use 1.5g gear you're going to lose "muscle"
If you cut at 2g= no muscle loss
If you cut into 2.5g = growing into show

I'm doing most of my cut on test only or test and deca. And in the end I swap for more dry compounds that way I stay the same weight but I change my appearance.

Total mg what really counts

With test deca let's say without mast or winny you're gonna be cut up but with little water
With hardeners in the mix hard ripped muscles

But we really retain water when you're in the last phases and introduce tren dht etc then you really know how much water you retained
 
Who has had careful changes to their protocol and noticed a very specific change that was caused by the drug and not due to diet/increasing the total dose of gear?

Who has done most of the cut on Deca+Test or Just test, and then made a change only once their lean at the end ?
___________________________________
How much of these specific cosmetic affects of DHT derivatives are just attributable to an increase in total dosage? Does anybody keep the total dosage the same and instead just switch compounds? I see this scenario often:
“I’m looking to add masteron/primo/Anavar/winstrol/Tren to get cut up for summer “ Often they will be guys using a base dose of testosterone, and will add these other compounds on top and will begin a diet and get leaner- and they’ll report positive experience/objectively visible results. What I’m wondering about this improved aesthetic:

1.)How much came from losing fat/dieting?
2.) How much came from increasing the total dosage of aas by adding primabolan/masteron to the cycle?( often this is the case, because most people who are on 250mg testosterone don’t cut the dose of test down to 100mg and then add in 150mg primo/masteron/dhb/tren, often they add the compound on top of their existing protocol which further increases nitrogen retention and increases the rate of glycogen replenishment)
3.) and how much of this was directly attributable to the fact that there was a DHT derivative making them harder looking?

In addition to these questions I’d also be curious to hear any anecdotes from people who’ve made aas protocol changes but kept the total dose the same. For example, somebody doing and off-season blast of a 500mg Testosterone and then they do a cut on 300mg testosterone and 200mg primo/masteron/dhb/ add Anavar. Another scenario I’d like to hear is people who begin a cut on one set of compounds- say for example 1000mg testosterone and then once they get lean they then switch to 500 testosterone/500 primo/masteron/tren etc.

__________________________________
In my case for example- I’m cutting on the same protocol that I used in my offseason to build tissue in a caloric surplus. And since being in a hard deficit for 7 weeks now, I’m much leaner, harder, and more vascular- but I’m running Testosterone Deca and Tren, at the exact same doses in my offseason. I’m wondering how much am I really missing out by not cutting on masteron/primo.
My plan, was to just stick with this same protocol, and then once I get to where I want around 6-7% then I want to lower the total doses of everything I’m on and add in injectable winstrol for the “dick skin thin “ look. I know winstrol is known to do this by reducing collagen in the skin, making the skin thinner, but im not getting my hopes up for a totally different harder look other than what’s brought by having physically thinner skin. I don’t like the idea of a water base, so if masteron/primo/Anavar could offer the same benefits to this, I’d very much rather use those instead. If they are even needed and will provide anything. Like what happens if I get to 6% bodyfat on test/Deca. How much different will I look compared to do the same thing on Test+Masteron/Primo etc?

Incase anyone wants to see, the pictures of me from 7 weeks ago, I feel like most would believe me if I said I started cutting and switch to Testosterone and masteron. Maybe I’m wrong, but Most people wouldn’t think I’m still just on Test/Deca primarily.
DHT stuff suck. Mast is garbage, i never had success with it
 
They do have a cosmetic benefit, bc DHT and its derivates regulate all kinds of different hormones. Like aldosterone which impacts sodium and potassium excretion in kidneys and by that leading to less fluid within the body. There's a couple other hormones involved as well, but the thing is, that let's say 1g of Test doesnt give you the same impact on these hormones than let's say 500mg/500mg test/Mast.
 
Mast isn't gonna accomplish what you're looking for.

Thin skin is a curse, while it looks good for muscles, it makes your face look like dog shit.

This is why my brother has eye lids that look like vagina flaps.

Don't fuck your face to show off your muscles, a good looking face is worth far more than extreme definition.
 
They do have a cosmetic benefit, bc DHT and its derivates regulate all kinds of different hormones. Like aldosterone which impacts sodium and potassium excretion in kidneys and by that leading to less fluid within the body. There's a couple other hormones involved as well, but the thing is, that let's say 1g of Test doesnt give you the same impact on these hormones than let's say 500mg/500mg test/Mast.
I would have to second this. I am still new but I am assuming the cosmetic benefit is WHILE YOU ARE RUNNING the compound and not a permanent thing.

But nobody can deny the scientific proof of certain anabolics acting like an AI that could reduce total water rention that is FROM E2.

then you have things like mast that will affect receptors and reduce water effects of e2 and prolactin.


its kind of one dimensional to say total MG flat out what count. you cant compare 500mg of DECA/NPP to 500mg of Mast. the strength of each mg varies from drug to drug.
 
I would have to second this. I am still new but I am assuming the cosmetic benefit is WHILE YOU ARE RUNNING the compound and not a permanent thing.

But nobody can deny the scientific proof of certain anabolics acting like an AI that could reduce total water rention that is FROM E2.

then you have things like mast that will affect receptors and reduce water effects of e2 and prolactin.


its kind of one dimensional to say total MG flat out what count. you cant compare 500mg of DECA/NPP to 500mg of Mast. the strength of each mg varies from drug to drug.
Absolutely Mast will dry you out.

It however won't increase strength at all, I've found that it actually makes me feel like my strength quickly drops off.

For me I can see it in my ankles when I'm on Mast, there's no sock line crease showing fluid retention that I get from T or NPP.
 
Absolutely Mast will dry you out.

It however won't increase strength at all, I've found that it actually makes me feel like my strength quickly drops off.

For me I can see it in my ankles when I'm on Mast, there's no sock line crease showing fluid retention that I get from T or NPP.
I heard mix things about mast but I noticed my strength is not one that drops off.

Some "coaches" will say it may help with fast twitch power movements. since that isnt on my radar, IDGAF.

would be interesting to see other experiences
 
Hell yeah they have benefits outside of muscle. Mast and DHB are amazing for my hair and skin. Also they are next level at prostate bulking But DHT sterons just make you feel good from healthier skin and hair to a sense of well-being.
 
Mast makes me pee all night. Dries me out and makes me look much leaner. It does something tren alone doesn't. Other than that it's a useless compound and I have gone higher than a gram of mast prop. Waste of money and fucks your performance in the gym. I get that muscle fibre cramp kind of thing like that Instagram guy and no amount of electrolytes gets rid of it. Looks cool but you risk tearing shit up. Killing your e2 does something else and you get flat af so it's not quite the same
 
DHT stuff suck. Mast is garbage, i never had success with it
Yes and no. My experience is that mast won't build muscle or is anabolic as I would wish. To much mast makes me flat (together with test) and has a slight diuretic effect on me.

Nevertheless I like mast ... Not because of it's muscle building effect (imo this is very minor) though because as a "support" roid to reduce bloating and keep up libido during nandrolone stacks. Stabilize my mood etc.

For instance using 350 test and 350 npp, 350 mast won't build more muscle imho but is beneficial for leaner look, less bloating, libido, mood and I guess it helps a little to keep e2 and progesterone in a enjoyable range without an AI (I have no labs to support my theory- judging just by my feeling).
Using 40mg of b6 injection e2d and so far this seems to be the best stack as a compromise between muscle building, look and well being.

In comparison with primobolan instead of mast the look is so much better, fuller, rounder BUT it destroys my libido every time using it.

Summarized I like mast very much but you have to know how to use it for your needs.
 
DHT stuff suck. Mast is garbage, i never had success with it
Not a fan of mast too.I think the hardening properties are a joke compared to winstrol and the side effects like cystic acne and prostate growth are some of the worst.But the cns benefits are nice so i like it low dosed at 200 -300 mgs where its relatively side effect free.
 
Mast is a great anti-depressant, decent AI.

Prostate is where it can cause problems and it does that to me with having to get up 3 times a night to urinate.

Dries joints out and can make heavy lifting very painful for wrists, elbows, I tend to see it in small joints first.

Aside from neurological benefits, for mood and libido, I don't see any other reason to use it unless you like having crunchy joints that feel fucked after you've been on it for 8 weeks.
 
I may be a lucky one when it comes to masteron, I'm getting no prostate issues as of my bloodwork, no frequent urination issues, my gyno is completely gone and my nipples are pain free now, my libido is up, erections like steel, and one thing I notice is I'm shooting ropes, when I cum, fuller, faster and they shoot with force for distance, and orgasms have been much much better

Vascularity is up, strength is slow but still going up even on a restricted diet, my mood has been so much better, honestly this cycle it has become one of my favorite compounds
 
I may be a lucky one when it comes to masteron, I'm getting no prostate issues as of my bloodwork, no frequent urination issues, my gyno is completely gone and my nipples are pain free now, my libido is up, erections like steel, and one thing I notice is I'm shooting ropes, when I cum, fuller, faster and they shoot with force for distance, and orgasms have been much much better

Vascularity is up, strength is slow but still going up even on a restricted diet, my mood has been so much better, honestly this cycle it has become one of my favorite compounds
Interesting.With high dosed masteron my cum becomes thick and ejaculations become painful sometimes and its just dripping out with no pressure.Its almost like my prostate is not working at all anymore,not even producing prostate fluid.Is there any way to combat the prostate inflammation?Did someone have success with saw palmetto?
 
I may be a lucky one when it comes to masteron, I'm getting no prostate issues as of my bloodwork, no frequent urination issues, my gyno is completely gone and my nipples are pain free now, my libido is up, erections like steel, and one thing I notice is I'm shooting ropes, when I cum, fuller, faster and they shoot with force for distance, and orgasms have been much much better

Vascularity is up, strength is slow but still going up even on a restricted diet, my mood has been so much better, honestly this cycle it has become one of my favorite compounds
It is fantastic at improving the libido if you cycle on and off.

It ramps up the brain to want sex all the time, but it will get to the point where you bust so many nuts you end up just being able to just barely spit from your pecker. DHT is the caveman hormone, it is what gives you your low voice, hairy back and public erections that are illegal in all 50 states.
 
Interesting.With high dosed masteron my cum becomes thick and ejaculations become painful sometimes and its just dripping out with no pressure.Its almost like my prostate is not working at all anymore,not even producing prostate fluid.Is there any way to combat the prostate inflammation?Did someone have success with saw palmetto?
That's how you know your at the end of your Mast cycle.

You have to cycle off for at least 8 weeks if you were using mast prop, which is the only ester of mast I would bother using.

Your brain is wanting sex, but your nut busting just isn't there. I'm sure someone on this forum can explain the science of what is happening, but your problem is what I experience as well.
 
That's how you know your at the end of your Mast cycle.

You have to cycle off for at least 8 weeks if you were using mast prop, which is the only ester of mast I would bother using.

Your brain is wanting sex, but your nut busting just isn't there. I'm sure someone on this forum can explain the science of what is happening, but your problem is what I experience as well.
I still have both with mast. I am on 400mg. Currently on week 13. Been on mast for a total of 5-6 months. This next cruise will just be my actual trt dose(I think)
 
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