Do DHT derivatives really have unique cosmetic benefits? Or could it be just due to adding more total dose of gear/diet ?

[Live_Evil]

Lol, if it was merely total mg, pros would do grams of test and nothing else, but it's universally accepted that DHT derivatives + tren are not only optimal, but required to step on the big stage. This is common knowledge.

 

[carlosvaquez2001]

Absolutely Mast will dry you out.

It however won't increase strength at all, I've found that it actually makes me feel like my strength quickly drops off.

For me I can see it in my ankles when I'm on Mast, there's no sock line crease showing fluid retention that I get from T or NPP.

Sounds like you are talking about oil based winstrol

 

[TrenTrenTren]

I love dht, I'm using mast right now and loving it, pretty sure the last mast I used was fake, as this is night and day

Name your sources!

 

[Maximus014]

Name your sources!

It was a long time ago lol, canadian lab that started off good and went downhill pretty quick

 

[SILVERBACK1910]

I am chiming into this thread since basically the "blast" I am gonna run is Test C/Mast E/Nand D:


WKS 1-4
250 test cyp
50 mast en
50 nand dec
0.25 caber
250 iu hcg

WKS 5-8
250 test cyp
75 mast en
75 nand dec
0.25 caber
250 iu hcg

WKS 9-10
250 test cyp
100 mast en
100 nand dec
0.25 caber
250 iu hcg

WKS 11-14
300 test cyp
150 mast en
150 nand dec
0.5 caber
500 iu hcg

WKS 15-20
300 test cyp
200 mast en
200 nand dec
0.5 caber
500 iu hcg

Caber taken every third day at 0.25 mg split in two doses (half a tab) and every third day at 0.5 mg split in two 0.25 mg doses(1 tab)

Aromasin at 12.5 mg every 5th day of the week from week 11 if needed

I know doses aren't much "outstanding" but at almost 36 yrs old, I'd rather play it safe, let nutrition, intensity under the weights and muscle memory do the most of the job. I wanna get back at the size I had years ago, but with less weak areas and water weight. Bulking on 75-80% of clean food, with occasional threats, not spilling too much. At the peak of the blast if bloodwork is all fine, I might push for 24 weeks before going back to Trt (250 Test C every 7 days).
I am not a unit size wise like many here so those doses are plenty for me.

 

[Deskoze38192]

I am chiming into this thread since basically the "blast" I am gonna run is Test C/Mast E/Nand D:


WKS 1-4
250 test cyp
50 mast en
50 nand dec
0.25 caber
250 iu hcg

WKS 5-8
250 test cyp
75 mast en
75 nand dec
0.25 caber
250 iu hcg

WKS 9-10
250 test cyp
100 mast en
100 nand dec
0.25 caber
250 iu hcg

WKS 11-14
300 test cyp
150 mast en
150 nand dec
0.5 caber
500 iu hcg

WKS 15-20
300 test cyp
200 mast en
200 nand dec
0.5 caber
500 iu hcg

Caber taken every third day at 0.25 mg split in two doses (half a tab) and every third day at 0.5 mg split in two 0.25 mg doses(1 tab)

Aromasin at 12.5 mg every 5th day of the week from week 11 if needed

I know doses aren't much "outstanding" but at almost 36 yrs old, I'd rather play it safe, let nutrition, intensity under the weights and muscle memory do the most of the job. I wanna get back at the size I had years ago, but with less weak areas and water weight. Bulking on 75-80% of clean food, with occasional threats, not spilling too much. At the peak of the blast if bloodwork is all fine, I might push for 24 weeks before going back to Trt (250 Test C every 7 days).
I am not a unit size wise like many here so those doses are plenty for me.

You sure you need Caber on that low of a dose of Nandrolone?
Ever try p5p?

This is bloodwork I just got at week 17 running nandrolone. The last 12 weeks were at 350/week
No caber or prami taken although I do have them on hand
Kept E2 in check with Primo (no AI) and took 100mg P5P at night

 

[Para_33]

I am chiming into this thread since basically the "blast" I am gonna run is Test C/Mast E/Nand D:


WKS 1-4
250 test cyp
50 mast en
50 nand dec
0.25 caber
250 iu hcg

WKS 5-8
250 test cyp
75 mast en
75 nand dec
0.25 caber
250 iu hcg

WKS 9-10
250 test cyp
100 mast en
100 nand dec
0.25 caber
250 iu hcg

WKS 11-14
300 test cyp
150 mast en
150 nand dec
0.5 caber
500 iu hcg

WKS 15-20
300 test cyp
200 mast en
200 nand dec
0.5 caber
500 iu hcg

Caber taken every third day at 0.25 mg split in two doses (half a tab) and every third day at 0.5 mg split in two 0.25 mg doses(1 tab)

Aromasin at 12.5 mg every 5th day of the week from week 11 if needed

I know doses aren't much "outstanding" but at almost 36 yrs old, I'd rather play it safe, let nutrition, intensity under the weights and muscle memory do the most of the job. I wanna get back at the size I had years ago, but with less weak areas and water weight. Bulking on 75-80% of clean food, with occasional threats, not spilling too much. At the peak of the blast if bloodwork is all fine, I might push for 24 weeks before going back to Trt (250 Test C every 7 days).
I am not a unit size wise like many here so those doses are plenty for me.

Interesting, curious to hear how it goes. What were you running before this cycle ? And what other cycles have you run before , as in have you done anything drastically different with different compounds than this ? And will you be eating for mass in a surplus or to lose fat ?

 

[SILVERBACK1910]

Interesting, curious to hear how it goes. What were you running before this cycle ? And what other cycles have you run before , as in have you done anything drastically different with different compounds than this ? And will you be eating for mass in a surplus or to lose fat ?

My last real cycle as in stack was test e/mast e/nand d, had to stop it due to humbilical hernia which had become unbearable and also due to bloodwork not being goos (creatinine high).
This was in January till March 2019.

In 2020 I did a 12 weeks blast of 500 mg of Test E, then went into TRT, before going off completely and doing PCT.

Since I am 35 I realized PCT is pointless so I do regular bloodwork and donate blood every 3/4 months, and self-administer 250 mg of test every 7 days, I have a Doctor to which I bring my bloodwork and all the other medical exams I do once a year for a full review of my health.

My previous "harsh cycles" have been in 2015 and 2017.

In 2015 I ran 450 mg of test, 500 mg eq, 300 mg nand d, for 200 weeks, no a.i. (idiot) was bloated as fuck, but strength/size wise my absolute best, but excercise execution was too ballistic.

2017 I ran a 16 weeks precontest stack of 800 mg test, 500 mg mast en, 400 mg tren en, 50 mg anadrol, tough being an UGL can't say how much it really was. Surely my a.i. was underdosed and running no caber made my gyno worse.

2015 and 2017 have bee the only times I went above a gram, but running TRT, and also documenting myself and having a journal of what I did wrong made me realize in time that calories, and exercise selection and execution are the best weapons in our arsenal.

if you tune up your nutrition, supplements
and training, then you really DON'T need much gear at all. Less equals more when everything is in check.

My biggest "weakness" having learned from my mistakes is having a steady financial income, which with the job crisi in my country ain't easy.

If I cannot run all my health check and eat properly, then it's just TRT for me.

In regards to caber being needed or not, I think better beint safe than sorry. I know for a fact I get the best and the worst from 19-nor when I run them so better having caber and a.i. from the get go.

I will put up a log when I can start, having a journal might be a good way to exchange opinions, especially since I don't have much social interactions except for work.

Sorry for the long ass answer.

 

[SILVERBACK1910]

My last real cycle as in stack was test e/mast e/nand d, had to stop it due to humbilical hernia which had become unbearable and also due to bloodwork not being goos (creatinine high).
This was in January till March 2019.

In 2020 I did a 12 weeks blast of 500 mg of Test E, then went into TRT, before going off completely and doing PCT.

Since I am 35 I realized PCT is pointless so I do regular bloodwork and donate blood every 3/4 months, and self-administer 250 mg of test every 7 days, I have a Doctor to which I bring my bloodwork and all the other medical exams I do once a year for a full review of my health.

My previous "harsh cycles" have been in 2015 and 2017.

In 2015 I ran 450 mg of test, 500 mg eq, 300 mg nand d, for *20 weeks, no a.i. (idiot) was bloated as fuck, but strength/size wise my absolute best, but excercise execution was too ballistic.

2017 I ran a 16 weeks precontest stack of 800 mg test, 500 mg mast en, 400 mg tren en, 50 mg anadrol, tough being an UGL can't say how much it really was. Surely my a.i. was underdosed and running no caber made my gyno worse.

2015 and 2017 have bee the only times I went above a gram, but running TRT, and also documenting myself and having a journal of what I did wrong made me realize in time that calories, and exercise selection and execution are the best weapons in our arsenal.

if you tune up your nutrition, supplements
and training, then you really DON'T need much gear at all. Less equals more when everything is in check.

My biggest "weakness" having learned from my mistakes is having a steady financial income, which with the job crisi in my country ain't easy.

If I cannot run all my health check and eat properly, then it's just TRT for me.

In regards to caber being needed or not, I think better *being safe than sorry. I know for a fact *that I get the best and the worst from 19-nor when I run them, so better having caber and a.i. *handy from the get go.

I will put up a log when I can start, having a journal might be a good way to exchange opinions, especially since I don't have much social interactions except for work.

Sorry for the long ass answer.

Fixed some typos

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I thought DHT's help your free test levels increase, which is what really matters.

I ran 600mg of Primo, and my free test was literally 1000+

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

They pull water into the muscles, slight diuretic effect, stimulates the adrenal axis which is the hardening effect ya hear about. What ive heard is the adrenaline puts your muscles in a slight state of contraction

 

[SILVERBACK1910]

Interesting, curious to hear how it goes. What were you running before this cycle ? And what other cycles have you run before , as in have you done anything drastically different with different compounds than this ? And will you be eating for mass in a surplus or to lose fat ?

I forgot I will be bulking big time, I need to get back to a decent looking 237-240 lbs.

 

[Deskoze38192]

I thought DHT's help your free test levels increase, which is what really matters.

I ran 600mg of Primo, and my free test was literally 1000+

View attachment 170982

They do but if there is a considerable imbalance like free test very high it could be because of very low SHBG (single digits) because of too much DHT derivatives (Primo, Mast) and this can cause a problem with anabolism
Vigorous Steve has a pretty good video explaining this I don’t know if you like his information or not but I found it pretty informative
I didn’t see SHBG on your bloodwork but if your free test seems quite high to you that could be the reason and it’s actually a problem not an advantage
I don’t know if this applies to your situation but I thought I would put it out there because it could be a possibility


View: https://youtu.be/SrLkFgUDro4

 

[Rido]

They do but if there is a considerable imbalance like free test very high it could be because of very low SHBG (single digits) because of too much DHT derivatives (Primo, Mast) and this can cause a problem with anabolism
Vigorous Steve has a pretty good video explaining this I don’t know if you like his information or not but I found it pretty informative
I didn’t see SHBG on your bloodwork but if your free test seems quite high to you that could be the reason and it’s actually a problem not an advantage
I don’t know if this applies to your situation but I thought I would put it out there because it could be a possibility


View: https://youtu.be/SrLkFgUDro4

I'm always iffy with half his shit now the more I learn. His restoring libido with shbg protocol didn't work for me and made me doubt everything.


He is a nice guy though lol

 

[Leg_locker]

Interesting.With high dosed masteron my cum becomes thick and ejaculations become painful sometimes and its just dripping out with no pressure.Its almost like my prostate is not working at all anymore,not even producing prostate fluid.Is there any way to combat the prostate inflammation?Did someone have success with saw palmetto?

5-10mg Ed of Cialis could help with prostate symptoms.

A review of the use of tadalafil in the treatment of benign prostatic hyperplasia in men with and without erectile dysfunction - PMC

Epidemiological data link erectile dysfunction (ED) and benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH)-associated lower urinary tract symptoms (LUTS), two highly prevalent conditions in aging men, assuming common pathophysiological pathways. Tadalafil 5 mg once ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[StevenLee]

As for taking testosterone, I have a two-fold attitude. Despite the fact that testosterone deficiency is an additional factor supporting obesity and the main reason for the ineffectiveness of diet and exercise, some doctors claim that with weight loss low testosterone levels will eliminate themselves. Because fat tissue will be eliminated. I took it for half a year and didn`t notice any result, I suppose the main factor in losing weight was sports. Still, after losing weight I also had some surgeries at visageclinic.com because my body was still not the way I wanted it to be.

 

[RebeccaOgden]

My free testosterone level is 154.8 pg/ml (35-155 pg/ml), with a total testosterone level of 771 ng/dl. My DHT level is approximately 70 ng/dl (15-85 ng/dl). My sensitive E2 level is 50 pg/ml (29 pg/ml). With high T levels, this is to be expected... I am NOT undergoing TRT or gynecomastia boston. It's strange because my body appears to be estrogen-insensitive. My systolic blood pressure is frequently in the 140s, although estrogen is meant to lower it. Despite having a body honed to the core and vascular, I still deal with ED. I'm not a big fan of water (my cheeks are sunken in). I have difficulty storing body fat.

 

[Para_33]

My free testosterone level is 154.8 pg/ml (35-155 pg/ml), with a total testosterone level of 771 ng/dl. My DHT level is approximately 70 ng/dl (15-85 ng/dl). My sensitive E2 level is 50 pg/ml (29 pg/ml). With high T levels, this is to be expected... I am NOT undergoing TRT or gynecomastia boston. It's strange because my body appears to be estrogen-insensitive. My systolic blood pressure is frequently in the 140s, although estrogen is meant to lower it. Despite having a body honed to the core and vascular, I still deal with ED. I'm not a big fan of water (my cheeks are sunken in). I have difficulty storing body fat.

Have you had your DHT and total T tested multiple times ? Jw because I’ve not had a high DHT level even with a higher total T. With 861 total T and 34pg/ml free my DHT was only 38ng/dl (30-85)