Do PFAS (Forever chemicals, etc..) disable and destroy water filtration systems?!?!!!!

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And @MFAAS the others here that have been interested in this topic...

So our local municipality where I live is now reporting dangerous levels of PFAS and I think I actually detected them in my mouth today from the filter fridge ice. It begs a serious concern which I am realizing.

1. Its already common knowledge that PFAS and the like evade many water filtration systems on the market. But consider this. If we are talking a reverse osmosis filtration system like used under sinks, in fridges, and and in Britta pitchers etc... Which we are.

2. And also we are dealing with a substance which is obviously a COATING AGENT to effectively create a slippery non porous surface..... In short its a molecular "micro-pore filler"...

3. So its SMALL, and can evade the strands of a reverse osmosis filter - We get that...

4. But would it not also greeeazue and clog up the pores of the filter which are designed to capture contaminants and thus render the filter ineffective for ANY of the contaminants which it is designed to capture.!??!?!?

Shit PFAS and the like might even overcoat the additional active charcoal function included in these filters as well and also render the organic capture functions disables as welll.. So did we just move from an environmental catastrophe that is dangerous to heath, and to a environmental catastrophe THAT CAN NOT BE CONTAINED?!?!?

Think in terms of running SLICK 50 thru your water filter before you use it except it also accumulates and clogs as well. With that said and now that I think about it I am willing to bet money that products like slick 50 are PRECISELY "forever chemicals". And they wonder how they get in the water supply. Fuk..

ARE YOU FEELING THAT?!?! I don't know I am just thinking aloud and just starting to research this matter. But I am speculating the alarm just went from 1 to TEN....!

I wonder how much water I will be able to run thru my new 50 dollar filter before its all slicked out and not catching shit..?!?

It should be noted that classically reverse osmosis type filters blow up and expand and reduce water flow with age and use as the pores clog up and expand over time used. Wouldn't it be interesting if your next fridge filter never swells and clogs up... Cause if it gets coated with PFAS, my money says it will in short be cocooned and protected from water exposure as an ultimate result. Which then how could it filter anything...?!?

I'm not even sure if I was allowed to say that out loud...:oops::po_O
 
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I'm just going to pin these before I loose em.. I was kinda wondering how my area could have PFAS contamination in a purely rainwater fed watershed and it looks like the answer is simply that not only are the vehicles driving over the bridge on this pond pissing out lubricants over time, but the motor boats they allow to run around in it are just undoubtedly crushing it..



In short these chems are indeed super slickers and go in the human body and stop essential functions from working properly by repelling, and diverting both water and fat based body fluids as well as most likely saturating into tissue and blockading nutrients from reaching their destination on a micro-level.. THIS IS PURE SPECULATION ON MY PART... Can anyone say and fathom DIAREAHH on such a grand multitude of levels that its simply hard to comprehend... We are talking about things running thru you WAAAY beyond the scope of simple GUT-WASH....

So, as we apparently can not avoiding what looks to be one of the most insidious poisonings mankind has ever faced, We need to know now if these chems can be chelated from the body by any means... We also need to consider UPTAKE MITIGATION Techniques. For example would a regular added staple of acylium husk (Metamucil) in the GI tract uptake and trap the PFAS, etc, before it can be uptaked...

ON A SKIM - This is looking like its going to be the biggest environmental disaster to human/animal population in the history of modern man..

I'm leaving this here for the moment and maybe someone can add something relevantly productive meanwhile.

I've said it 1000 times over, and not interesting really in going here now, but if E.T. wanted animal life dead and off the planet without destroying infrastructure, then "divine Intervention" can quickly become "Devine Disaster delivered by false prophets"... This particular ET would not be focusing on preserving the environment. His goal would be slow and silent eradication of man/animals and with no cares about the plant life either.... In your hunt for the culprit, you would be searching for a species that these chemicals and molecules jive with... Unless of course they were trying to operate in stealth of other ET species.. Then we got slipped an ugly pill in that case...
 
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And I wonder just how many of you sit down on the potty and shit out the contents of your bowels and notice that it looks more and more undigested with every year that passes. So its not necc diarrhea. And at the same time its kinda speeded up in its passage through the intestines... One consequence, speculatively speaking, is that your guts may become more and more inept in breaking down and absorbing the nutrients that you consume thru you PIE HOLES.... Absorption being the first and most important failure..
 
And @MFAAS the others here that have been interested in this topic...

So our local municipality where I live is now reporting dangerous levels of PFAS and I think I actually detected them in my mouth today from the filter fridge ice. It begs a serious concern which I am realizing.

1. Its already common knowledge that PFAS and the like evade many water filtration systems on the market. But consider this. If we are talking a reverse osmosis filtration system like used under sinks, in fridges, and and in Britta pitchers etc... Which we are.

2. And also we are dealing with a substance which is obviously a COATING AGENT to effectively create a slippery non porous surface..... In short its a molecular "micro-pore filler"...

3. So its SMALL, and can evade the strands of a reverse osmosis filter - We get that...

4. But would it not also greeeazue and clog up the pores of the filter which are designed to capture contaminants and thus render the filter ineffective for ANY of the contaminants which it is designed to capture.!??!?!?

Shit PFAS and the like might even overcoat the additional active charcoal function included in these filters as well and also render the organic capture functions disables as welll.. So did we just move from an environmental catastrophe that is dangerous to heath, and to a environmental catastrophe THAT CAN NOT BE CONTAINED?!?!?

Think in terms of running SLICK 50 thru your water filter before you use it except it also accumulates and clogs as well. With that said and now that I think about it I am willing to bet money that products like slick 50 are PRECISELY "forever chemicals". And they wonder how they get in the water supply. Fuk..

ARE YOU FEELING THAT?!?! I don't know I am just thinking aloud and just starting to research this matter. But I am speculating the alarm just went from 1 to TEN....!

I wonder how much water I will be able to run thru my new 50 dollar filter before its all slicked out and not catching shit..?!?

It should be noted that classically reverse osmosis type filters blow up and expand and reduce water flow with age and use as the pores clog up and expand over time used. Wouldn't it be interesting if your next fridge filter never swells and clogs up... Cause if it gets coated with PFAS, my money says it will in short be cocooned and protected from water exposure as an ultimate result. Which then how could it filter anything...?!?

I'm not even sure if I was allowed to say that out loud...:oops::po_O
First off, PFAS means "per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances", which is an entire family of chemicals. We currently know of over 9,000 of them. Common examples are PFOA and PFOS. Other very prevalent ones are PFNA, PFHxS, PFHxA, PFDA, and PFBS. Each molecule has a different size based off the structure.

Also note, these chemicals aren't just in the water and food...they are airborne as well.


Your questions:

1. Its already common knowledge that PFAS and the like evade many water filtration systems on the market. But consider this. If we are talking a reverse osmosis filtration system like used under sinks, in fridges, and and in Britta pitchers etc... Which we are.

I am not sure about how it might interact with filters like that. It definitely will evade any activated carbon filters like pitcher filters or cheap fridge filters.

I am lucky to have no detectable levels of PFAS in my well (that said, the new levels of 0.0004 parts per TRILLION are below the detectable levels of most testing facilities). I still use a sediment filter and a carbon BLOCK filter. Not the little specks, but solid block of carbon. They take specks but that are ground way smaller basically into dust and then compact them into a filter with heat and pressure. I found it to be a fucking game changer when I lived in an area with high dissolved solids (limestone bedrock), the filter would clog every month, whereas our old shitty speck pitcher filter worked for a year (but obviously it wasn't actually working anymore).

For people who live in areas with high TDS (i.e., super hard water to where water softeners barely even do a thing), their filters will clog at some point no matter what, because the levels of lime and whatnot are so ridiculous.


According to that site, carbon block filters have a filtration rating equivalent to 0.5 to 5 microns. Reverse osmosis is at best 0.0001 microns. Obviously much better.

However, as you pointed out (I believe, anyway, I read your post a few days ago and have been slowly writing this) usually reverse osmosis filters have the water sit in a fucking plastic tank afterwards...I would be really fucking surprised if that plastic tank didn't leach various plastic chemicals into the water as is sat there. Also many more high end tanks have UV systems to prevent bacterial growth in the water while it sits there...I would be surprised if extremely thorough testing has been done on the durability of the plastic under the stress of UV light over the course of years. Usually they test these things for a while, but nowhere near the time a consumer will continuously use the tank for...

2. And also we are dealing with a substance which is obviously a COATING AGENT to effectively create a slippery non porous surface..... In short its a molecular "micro-pore filler"...

Thankfully these do not act as coating agents without going through the necessary chemical or mechanical processes to cause them to coat. They aren't using PURE PFAS to coat pans as non-stick surfaces--that actually wouldn't work. Holy shit people would have cancer after making a single egg lol! They are using a substance that has some amount of PFAS in it to cause it to be non-stick. So it's not as though pure PFAS automatically coats everything it touches.

Consider this: groundwater and well water gets filtered through hundreds or more feet of soil and rock before it finally rests in an underwater aquifer or well. If your idea of PFAS acting as a coating agent was true, then wouldn't the PFAS have to coat all that rock and soil in order to be able to actually make it down to the aquifer/well? That would take a long time, because all the PFAS would get deposited on the outside of the filter medium before it ever actually made it down to the well. But that doesn't happen. It makes it down to the well anyway and we aren't seeing soil/rock coming back with insane levels of PFAS chemicals.

Basically, if PFAS did act that way, it wouldn't just run through these natural filters (or our artificial filters), it would first have to coat all the filter medium, then once that was all coated, THEN it would just run through. As I said we don't see that happening though and thankfully I don't believe there is enough PFAS in the environment at this time to make this happen. The highest drinking water levels in the US are still in parts per billion. It would take a very long time before a filter was rendered useless. Other substances like dissolved solids and birth control and antidepressants and shit would surely use up the filter medium capacity long before the PFAS would.

Hopefully I explained that clearly? If it's not clear let me know I am sure I can find a better way to explain it.


3. So its SMALL, and can evade the strands of a reverse osmosis filter - We get that...

Based off studies on pubmed, as far as I am aware the smallest PFAS chemicals were still measured in tenths of a micron (e.g., 0.14 micron for airborne PFOA).

Almost all PFAS chemicals should not be so small as to evade a high quality, .0001 micron reverse osmosis filter. A low end one? Some of the PFAS chemicals will surely be able to evade a larger filter.


4. But would it not also greeeazue and clog up the pores of the filter which are designed to capture contaminants and thus render the filter ineffective for ANY of the contaminants which it is designed to capture.!??!?!?

Based off the data showing that various water filters do remove 99.9+% of PFAS from water, it does not appear that this would occur.

Also, as I mentioned, pure PFAS, or some level of PFAS suspended in water, does not seem to act as a coating agent. Thankfully, based off the data I definitely do not believe that your analogy of SLICK 50 is accurate. It would not have anywhere near the coating capacity of that. Hopefully this eases your mind a little bit at least.


So anyway...how do we truly eliminate PFAS (and other contaminants)? I would think (just using common sense here, I'm not a chemical engineer) you'd want a reverse osmosis filter first, then have a carbon block filter before drinking. This would be quite expensive unfortunately, but theoretically should catch all the PFAS chemicals as well as any others left behind by the RO filter tank (as long as none are used in the tank or in the pipes of your house).

Speaking of plastic, if you are concerned about this and still drinking out of plastic water bottles, then you are a walking contradiction. Everything from milk jugs, to water bottles, to all the other plastic food containers all will leach contaminants into your water and food.

Obviously I can't avoid plastic when it comes to yogurt or cottage cheese...but I use GLASS water bottles. Glass is the only safe drinking or food storage utensil. We have glass tupperware containers and use glass mason jars for storing anything else.

Metal cans and water bottles and such are all coated with a lovely plastic coating (likely some sort of BPx chemical) to prevent them from rusting or leaving a metallic taste behind in the food/drink.

Glass is the only way.
 
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@MFAAS i got to think about all that you are going to pop my head off like that purple commercial...

My immediate thoughts were that they were testing the efficiencies with NEW FILTERS and would wonder how the PFAS efficacy held up with time. I dont think they ran them past testing in that structure of data...

I got to regroup too much in that one for the moment :) :) :)
 
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Somebody likely dumped PFAS in your area. It doesn't take much.

You may want to read about ZEOLITE. It can probably bind to PFAS.

I'm also searching for the best water treatment situation. We can't trust the water. Did you know they are using graphen oxide to treat the water and they are also using graphene oxide in bottle waters?
 
Somebody likely dumped PFAS in your area. It doesn't take much.

You may want to read about ZEOLITE. It can probably bind to PFAS.

I'm also searching for the best water treatment situation. We can't trust the water. Did you know they are using graphen oxide to treat the water and they are also using graphene oxide in bottle waters?
SWEET JESUS on the Graphene.. Isn't that shit toxic as fuk??

I am still pontificating my response to @MFAAS. I dont want to short cut my thoughts there and I HAVE A MENTAL BLOCK because I believe the situation to be far more dire than he was willing to acknowledge... I want to use his reply as a reason to do some good research on it and at the same time I am afraid of what I might find..

On the PFAS and all that family and similar of molecules. Yea what I am afraid of is that some idiot dumped some shit.. Be it ignorant or malicious its a serious condition. But what I was trying to convey is that on a skim, my preliminary research does indicate that these substances are used in commercial lubricants for motor vehicles... So it wouldn't really take more than 40 years of vehicles driving over a bridge, or motorized boats in the pond to contaminate it pretty quick. I think our local municipality has indicated that we are slightly OUT OF RANGE over the current PARTS PER BILLIONTH safe allowance.. Really scary when it takes that little to cause harm.. The water does not taste right lately either I can tell by the fridge ice... How that is related I have no clue.

It makes you stop and think though as everything you can possibly consume is made with WATER. And importantly water from other areas. How would you like to find out that Nabisco has a plant in Michigan, etc...! Actually I think they moved to Mexico which might even be worse.. But be it water in the soft drinks at restaurants, the water in the tea, the water you boil and make your own food with, the water in the products we buy from god knows where. INCLUDING THE BEER AND WHISKY...!!! Its a bit trifling. (this does not discount that I have no doubt that this has been an issue historically ongoing. I mean you cant even warm up a hot pocket these days without wondering what the fuck is in it... IN SHORT I think the clean water situation is far more profound than anyone wants to acknowledge.. And WHO is left to challenge anyone when all the politicians are bought and held hostage at this point... Worse is all these fux in govt are all ancient and some of them dont even have kids to give a shit about.. These people are the worst form of risk to the world there is IMHO... Imagine the most profound and beautiful resource in this solar system as neighbors look on and watch us monkeys destroy it.. I have no doubt they are ready to clean us up once more and give mother Earth a break... Its fukked up how infinitesimal we are in the billion year scheme of things..

And as you know I am the first to research into CONSPIRACY, I always consider the first "published hand outs" as distraction from something bigger. So that really has me up...

If I had 1500 bux to spare I would buy one of those kick-ass water distillers that will generate 8 gallons per day. I have a feeling that might be a good business to get in. A solid design and some stainless welding skill might elicit a real solid market product.. But I would not endeavor it until I have some break-thru epiphany with regard to design..

On the Zeolite -that looks interesting. It looks like as a supplement they know very little about at this time. A preliminary peek shows that it may accelerate blood clotting and possibly strain kidneys. But its interesting for sure as a possible short term heavy metal chelation mechanism, minimally...

It also got me thinking about some thoughts I have had lately as to how blood thinners like coumadin might impact COVID from an anti-coagulant standpoint. On that note it looks like we are about to get another round of it as my daughter was just in a car for a while with another kid that might have just got his first official infection. My fucking teeth are hurting like someone is drilling on them. But me and the wife are testing neg at this time...
 
The graphene oxide is also in the recent injections.............

Graphene has interesting properties. It can conduct electricity and it can be magnetic. It can can do a lot.

You want to get red pilled on this? It's very interesting....

I have a lot of infographics and articles on graphene oxide. Let me know what you want to know.
 
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You can test your water using this method. Try bottled waters also........

 
The graphene oxide is also in the recent injections.............

Graphene has interesting properties. It can conduct electricity and it can be magnetic. It can can do a lot.

You want to get red pilled on this? It's very interesting....

I have a lot of infographics and articles on graphene oxide. Let me know what you want to know.
Yea on that I have heard that graphene is dependent on other factors as to what it is capable of if I recall correctly... Sometimes magnetic or conductive and in other conditions possibly not. But its properties are "dynamic" to some degree. AM I close/ I could be way off??? But I seem to recall that CAN is the operative word indeed. All I really understand is that graphene is supposed to have some serious multi-potential uses yet has remained shelved for the most part of the past decade which they have allowed it to become public knowledge..

Let me check on the link in the next post there. Sure I am interested. I really wonder and would not be surprised if they did not slip a little sumpin form of sumpin in the vax... But it just may have been simpler in that they wanted to just be sure EVERYONE contracted Covid. Might be that simple and could be more.

Isn't there a thread here where was are talking about Graphene a bit to take that to. I just hesitate to hijack my own thread as I am far from done investigating the action of PFAS and the like and what it means for filtration and socio-environmental capture and clean up in the future..

I just find it absolutely amazing how much we have turbo-fukked planet Earth... yet they still do mega land deals to this day to poison her further with gross waste burials for money. Shit Alabama is one of the biggest "You bring us hazardous waste for money WHORE states". Always has been I believe they like to tell themselves that if they bury it in clay rich soil substrates as natural containment media that it should not create an environmental problem.. Its just stupefying how greedy and irresponsible humanity became...
 
You can test your water using this method. Try bottled waters also........

So where does he indicate what he is trying to precipitate out of that water? And do they ever confirm what the substance is? Is there surely no possibility that the electrodes are bleeding out into that water? Its an interesting concept and experiment whatever the intended contruct..
 
I am still pontificating my response to @MFAAS. I dont want to short cut my thoughts there and I HAVE A MENTAL BLOCK because I believe the situation to be far more dire than he was willing to acknowledge... I want to use his reply as a reason to do some good research on it and at the same time I am afraid of what I might find..
Just checking to make sure I understand? Are you concerned that I underemphasized the dangers of PFAS chemicals?
On the PFAS and all that family and similar of molecules. Yea what I am afraid of is that some idiot dumped some shit.. Be it ignorant or malicious its a serious condition. But what I was trying to convey is that on a skim, my preliminary research does indicate that these substances are used in commercial lubricants for motor vehicles... So it wouldn't really take more than 40 years of vehicles driving over a bridge, or motorized boats in the pond to contaminate it pretty quick.
Yep, totally true. The more common concentrated use of these chemicals is in fire retardants. When they fight forest fires and shit they dump a whole lotta PFAS chems into the environment. But yeah they are used all over the place in manufacturing and automotive industry as well as building materials and kids toys etc.
I think our local municipality has indicated that we are slightly OUT OF RANGE over the current PARTS PER BILLIONTH safe allowance.. Really scary when it takes that little to cause harm.. The water does not taste right lately either I can tell by the fridge ice... How that is related I have no clue.
The NEW safe allowance is parts per trillion. But many states have decided not to do anything about it especially since the wonderful, intelligent people of our Supreme Court thought it would somehow be good for the country to make it so the EPA cannot enforce the limitations/safe allowances they set. In that particular case it was for CO2 levels, but this obviously paves the way to restrict the power of the EPA in other ways as well, making the environment more hostile and less safe, for all of us.
It makes you stop and think though as everything you can possibly consume is made with WATER. And importantly water from other areas. How would you like to find out that Nabisco has a plant in Michigan, etc...! Actually I think they moved to Mexico which might even be worse.. But be it water in the soft drinks at restaurants, the water in the tea, the water you boil and make your own food with, the water in the products we buy from god knows where. INCLUDING THE BEER AND WHISKY...!!! Its a bit trifling. (this does not discount that I have no doubt that this has been an issue historically ongoing. I mean you cant even warm up a hot pocket these days without wondering what the fuck is in it... IN SHORT I think the clean water situation is far more profound than anyone wants to acknowledge..
YES this is absolutely true.

Even more dire, however, is the continuously worsening effect that climate change is having on the amount of clean drinking water at ourbdisposal.

States out west are suffering, for some reason it is legal for hedge funds to purchase up water rights.

My guess is that the stuff in that water is coming off the electrodes.

Here is a video ofnwhat appears to be the same device. That cheap Chinese water quality tester used in that video appears to be a piece of garbage to me.
View: https://youtu.be/oJBwlsu9asg
 
One really important thing to consider is the solubility of various metals in water. Iron oxide, for example, is 60 mg per LITER. Graphene oxide is much higher, at 6 grams per liter. That cup looks like a normal tea cup which is generally 150 mL. That would mean only 900 mg of graphene oxide would fit in that amount of water. I don't know how much substance was in that thing, but I would bet money that it was way more than 900 mg. That looked like multiple grams of substance, especially if we're talking about a METAL here, which is heavy/dense.

It is important to recognize that graphene carbon in a specific physical structure. That structure is a sheet, which is a single atom thick.

Ironically (at least compared to the idea of graphene as a pollutant) graphene actually has significant potential as a filtration system for water. It is even being investigated as one of the solutions to get PFAS out of water!

The only places that I see talking about graphene as a pollutant in water also seem to conveniently sell water systems. I don't know where y'all are getting concern about graphene in your water from. I definitely would like to see some sources. Many of the places making these claims also seem targeted towards the scam of "alkaline water" (which I thought had been debunked long ago, it's unfortunate that it is still around -.-)
 
Graphene is being used not only in water treatment, but it's being kept in bottled waters. It's a very interesting subject. They're putting graphene into everything including the food you eat. You can be the judge of whether this is a good idea or not.


View: https://youtu.be/vKbEUKuaJ4E


 
Graphene is being used not only in water treatment, but it's being kept in bottled waters. It's a very interesting subject. They're putting graphene into everything including the food you eat. You can be the judge of whether this is a good idea or not.


View: https://youtu.be/vKbEUKuaJ4E



Are there ANY other sources on this? I literally can't find anything except this one website using thay same cheap chinese electrode.

Is there any proposed reason why graphene is being put in everything?

The video claims recalls on coke and sprite and shit for having metallic like compounds in them? Please link to these recalls. I'm not finding them and have never heard of soda recalls.

Why would "they" (who is they anyway? Every company in the world as well As public water facilities?) waste money just throwing graphene into everything?

I don't see the need to create a conspiracy about this. We already know water is contaminated with all kinds of shit. Graphene, as far as I know, is not proven to be one of them. These videos prove nothing except that this person has fallen for a trick by some cheap Chinese crap product "water quality tester" that doesn't actually test water, it just exudes this magnetic crap and scares the shit out of people. Like I said, a conspiracy is unnecessary, we all know our water is full of contaminants.

What are the odds that every liquid product from all these different companies has the same brown magnetic contaminant in it? Isn't it far more likely thay this contaminant that is supposedly in all these different products made by different companies around the world is more likely emanating from the electrodes itself?

I'm not trying to be dismissive here, so please dont take it thay way. I am just a critical thinker who really examines the evidence before subscribing to any belief. I think we should all be super skeptical of these videos from this ONE single source (Invidious/Spiritually Awakened/Yewtu.be) that isn't backed up anywhere else I can find. Please, share more sources, convince me. I am interested, but it takes a lot more than a couple videos with thay cheap electrode to convince me. Share as much info as you can.

I am half tempted to buy one of these things. You see, I am on clean mountain well water. My whole house is disconnected from the grid. Access to my well is locked, monitored, and has a trigger to alert me if it is opened. So nobody is adding shit to my water. If this tester does the same thing to my water as it does in these videos then IMO that I'd proof that it is garbage.
 
Just checking to make sure I understand? Are you concerned that I underemphasized the dangers of PFAS chemicals?

Yep, totally true. The more common concentrated use of these chemicals is in fire retardants. When they fight forest fires and shit they dump a whole lotta PFAS chems into the environment. But yeah they are used all over the place in manufacturing and automotive industry as well as building materials and kids toys etc.

The NEW safe allowance is parts per trillion. But many states have decided not to do anything about it especially since the wonderful, intelligent people of our Supreme Court thought it would somehow be good for the country to make it so the EPA cannot enforce the limitations/safe allowances they set. In that particular case it was for CO2 levels, but this obviously paves the way to restrict the power of the EPA in other ways as well, making the environment more hostile and less safe, for all of us.

YES this is absolutely true.

Even more dire, however, is the continuously worsening effect that climate change is having on the amount of clean drinking water at ourbdisposal.

States out west are suffering, for some reason it is legal for hedge funds to purchase up water rights.

My guess is that the stuff in that water is coming off the electrodes.

Here is a video ofnwhat appears to be the same device. That cheap Chinese water quality tester used in that video appears to be a piece of garbage to me.
View: https://youtu.be/oJBwlsu9asg

I am getting lost on this one because I bit off more than I can chew. Remember I have a bad habit of making a "STATEMENT" out of what it intended to be a QUESTION. You guys are just more apt on this and I am trying to keep up. Which is exactly what I wanted is to learn..

So really I am stuck back on trying to do my own research so that I can have some valid responses and questions for your input. Bear with me.

I am really more importantly overwhelmed these days in that it seems like everything is designed to poison us. And I am not so sure this is not the case when it comes to Chinese goods. Who is behind it though remains a solid question. Chine makes a great scapegoat for any ultra high powers with ill intent. I am also trying to remain somewhat politically correct and I just dont even know how to start there...

You could always just REQUEST some "Classic BBC3" and I will wait till I am intoxicated on life and all its fine offerings and get right at it... :oops:
 
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