Do you TRUST your powder source?

[whwlives]

I recently bought a decent quantity of Test Enanthate from a supplier that is present on this board. Assured that it was 98%+ in purity.

I have a trust issue... trust but verify...

After an initial melting point test that didn't look right (the sample never
solidified again) I decided to send the sample out for a proper analysis
I will post the full analysis paperwork as soon as I get back to my office.

summary: 35% pure by quadrupole time-of-flight mass spectrometer.

I would suggest everyone have their powder tested.

If you can find or afford QTOF analysis, there are tests you can
do cheaply/easily.

They are listed in the pharmacopeia books.

The Japanese government has graciously put their book online.

The Japanese Pharmacopoeia, Sixteenth Edition (JP16)

Walt

 

[nophat]

We can't help without supplier name.
Does he sell just raw

 

[mands]

I recently bought a decent quantity of Test Enanthate from a supplier that is present on this board. Assured that it was 98%+ in purity.

I have a trust issue... trust but verify...

After an initial melting point test that didn't look right (the sample never
solidified again) I decided to send the sample out for a proper analysis
I will post the full analysis paperwork as soon as I get back to my office.

summary: 35% pure by quadrupole time-of-flight mass spectrometer.

I would suggest everyone have their powder tested.

If you can find or afford QTOF analysis, there are tests you can
do cheaply/easily.

They are listed in the pharmacopeia books.

The Japanese government has graciously put their book online.

The Japanese Pharmacopoeia, Sixteenth Edition (JP16)

Walt

Walt do you mind letting us know the powder source? Have you contacted the source to see what they have to say?

Also, did you ever receive my public key?

mands

 

[tns]

yeah i mean you got to share some info.
this is what the forum is all about.

 

[beedix]

More info please! What lab knowingly tested steroids?

 

[tipdog]

This is intriguing.

 

[whwlives]

Sorry guys - busy day.

The company I bought from was Hubei Maxsource

The powder was SUPPOSED to be 98+% pure Testosterone Enanthate.

Their "Certificate of Analysis" is attached. [)]

Also attached is a (slightly redacted to protect the lab) copy of the actual analysis from a Waters quadrupole time-of-flight mass spectrometer.

(aka "the nads")

Feel free to allow your brain to explode as needed ;-)

Walt do you mind letting us know the powder source? Have you contacted the source to see what they have to say?

Also, did you ever receive my public key?

I did contact them - they told me I was wrong and gave me their COA that I have attached. They have shown no interest in making it right.

Oh, and yeah - got the key!

More info please! What lab knowingly tested steroids?

More info attached - I can't reveal the lab for obvious reasons - however, I *will* assist in testing other samples from other sources - puts me at risk, but I'm going to protect the bro at the lab at all cost. It takes 500mg - well, 250 for the QTOF, and 250 for me to do a preliminary MP test to see if it's worth the $$$ to send it into the lab.

Simpler analyses can be done using the procedures in the JP I linked above.

You can even get accurate purity tests using good lab procedure and a decent uv/vis spectrophotometer. Oh how I want one. Yes, yes I do.

 

[tns]

1st if you would ask i would tell you dont go near them, even though i havent tried em myself. why? i guess its kinda like a 6th sense people in forums develop when being cautious.
2nd if you want some other sources to try muscle-depot and legend.

there is also steroidfax but i think you cant buy small quantities from em.
minimum 100g???

 

[dealer]

1st if you would ask i would tell you dont go near them, even though i havent tried em myself. why? i guess its kinda like a 6th sense people in forums develop when being cautious.

2nd if you want some other sources to try muscle-depot and legend.



there is also steroidfax but i think you cant buy small quantities from em.

minimum 100g???

^^ Don't listen to this. Sciroxx (steroidsfax brand) has put out bunk gear many times already.

 

[whwlives]

Bros,

Please spread the word around to other boards before more people get taken.

and of course of you want to share a good powder source

Walt

 

[tns]

^^ Don't listen to this. Sciroxx (steroidsfax brand) has put out bunk gear many times already.

Hey dealer, can you read the whole thread before you start posting horseshit???
the man is testing his raws.. i simply stated 3 sources i found out on this forum.
i didnt suggest them for use. TESTING. READ WHOLE THREAD, dont be a jackass

 

[dealer]

Hey dealer, can you read the whole thread before you start posting horseshit???

the man is testing his raws.. i simply stated 3 sources i found out on this forum.

i didnt suggest them for use. TESTING. READ WHOLE THREAD, dont be a jackass

Why would you recommend he spend his money on raws, to test a lab associated with selling bunk gear ? Stupid.

 

[whwlives]

So,

Does anyone have a source that they have used more than once and that they are pretty sure are good?

Let's try and make something positive out of this.

If we don't, the BS artists win.

It's high time that the light of truth is shown down on the first of many issues plaguing our hobby and the industry behind it.

Fake, mislabeled, impure, and down right contaminated powders.

That WE (all of us) are eventually injecting into our bodies.

The colorimetric tests don't tell you how pure your powder or vial is.

It's time to hold this industry to a higher standard!

Walt

 

[joe0035]

So,

Does anyone have a source that they have used more than once and that they are pretty sure are good?

Let's try and make something positive out of this.

If we don't, the BS artists win.

It's high time that the light of truth is shown down on the first of many issues plaguing our hobby and the industry behind it.

Fake, mislabeled, impure, and down right contaminated powders.

That WE (all of us) are eventually injecting into our bodies.

The colorimetric tests don't tell you how pure your powder or vial is.

It's time to hold this industry to a higher standard!

Walt

If I may ask "the colorimetric tests" is labmax test?

 

[Holl]

Bros,

Please spread the word around to other boards before more people get taken.

and of course of you want to share a good powder source

Walt

I have an excellent powder source I have used for about 2 years now and I even wouldnt believe that their purity rate is 98%. People need to have a realistic expectation, you are not going to get pharma grade powder from Asia, period!

You can get a very good powder and brew accordingly, but its like these UGs claiming they are pharma grade, its bullshit, they cant be. Unless they follow the same process and use facilities equal to a pharmaceutical company and source pharma grade powders, its not pharma.

As for yuor test results, they look sketchy at best, sorry. It loos like a word doc. with some items blacked out....did I miss something?

 

[whwlives]

I'm curious what looks "sketchy" to you?

it's a standard mass spectrometer report, in this case from a Waters QTOF machine. Waters is a brand name.

The things I blacked out were done to keep the lab out of trouble.

first page: a chromatograph of lab standard enanthate.

2nd page: QTOF mass spectrometer output of "test sample"

3rd page: top graph is theoretical QTOF for pure TE.
3rd page: bottom graph is ACTUAL QTOF of lab standard TE.

top and bottom of page #3 look rather similar, right?

Now look at the bottom graph of pg 3 compared to page 2.

See how the peak at 171 is much more prevalent than 401 in the test sample?

171 isn't even PRESENT in the theoretical or actual mass spec of PURE TE

That is "something that is not TE" in large quantity in our test sample.

It's also known as "not good" ;-)

As to the precise purity numbers, it's a matter of knowing how to do the calculations and I leave it to the people at the lab who do this stuff.

They do it a few hundred times a day or more.

They don't care if the sample is 99.99% or 12% pure.

At my request, they double-checked that sample. still 35%

Sorry, but analysis doesn't get more legit than this.

I'm happy to send you a sample of the garbage and you can send it for
GCMS or any other test of your choice. UV spectrophotometry
(at 241nm IIRC) is a cheaper choice.

Walt

I have an excellent powder source I have used for about 2 years now and I even wouldnt believe that their purity rate is 98%. People need to have a realistic expectation, you are not going to get pharma grade powder from Asia, period!

You can get a very good powder and brew accordingly, but its like these UGs claiming they are pharma grade, its bullshit, they cant be. Unless they follow the same process and use facilities equal to a pharmaceutical company and source pharma grade powders, its not pharma.

As for yuor test results, they look sketchy at best, sorry. It loos like a word doc. with some items blacked out....did I miss something?

 

[msanchez]

Powder-sourcing is an interesting business. I used to have a great source about 6 years back, but I haven't brewed my own in about that long. Not sure if they are still around even.

 

[Holl]

You seem like you are more interested in arguing than anything else...ok you bought the powder, its shit, dont buy it again. You published the source, they didnt respond well I would assume anyone reading this would think twice about buying from them.

Mission accomplished, right?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

You seem like you are more interested in arguing than anything else...ok you bought the powder, its shit, dont buy it again. You published the source, they didnt respond well I would assume anyone reading this would think twice about buying from them.

Mission accomplished, right?

One would think so, wouldn't one? However, you then went on to question the authenticity of his test results. For what purpose other than "arguing?" Or was it to force the OP into defending his test results so you could then accuse him of arguing?

As for yuor test results, they look sketchy at best, sorry. It loos like a word doc. with some items blacked out....did I miss something?

 

[azazul]

You seem like you are more interested in arguing than anything else...ok you bought the powder, its shit, dont buy it again. You published the source, they didnt respond well I would assume anyone reading this would think twice about buying from them.

Mission accomplished, right?

yeah, so what is your deal here fella? You called him out and now you are mad because he shut you down with his last post? Or we missing something here.