doc and bbc

[newbie23]

Would you wait the 28-40 days because of the decanoate??

that would be my guess-i hope the doc jumps in and settles this-it is his PCT regimen

 

[BBC3]

I am not sure at this point who's reference to the time you are referring to here. But consider that in 250mgs sust, about 100 is decanoate. Thats substantial after 12 - 16week cycle. I think that one study that Conci posted was using a single 150mg dose of nandrolone decanoate and it was still pissin out at 6 months. I am guessing there have been many failed pcts after sust or deca. While even if PCT will help the brain to forget how long it has been on cycle, that dont mean nothin if the drug is still in your system once the SERM is removed. Also consider that a month of clomid will hang with a 5 day half-life in its self. So you may not even see a failure immediately upon removal.

With these long esters its really hard to say. As they will be around forever, your pct should still be successful to the extent of the remaining exogenous TT. Meaning, if even you wait 35 days to begin the SERM, and then run it for 4 weeks, then two more effective in half life, now you are done but there is still the equivalent of 50mgs/wk of exogenous TT in the sys, you should only shut back down to that degree, MAYBE. If you do not shut down again entirely, then it is very likely that your body will UP natural production to meet demands as the remaining 50mgs peters out over time. So you would never really realize a failure in that case. Note this is with regard to Tdecanoate, and not DECA. That a different story in as you would not be supported with TT as a cause of shutdown. And Deca alone may not be good..... Personally I would guess that for a 12 week 500mg sust cycle, 35 days prior to serm would suffice.... But IT WOULD SUCK. I would alost recommend riding the first 3 of those weeks out with PROP at TRT level dosing....

that would be my guess-i hope the doc jumps in and settles this-it is his PCT regimen

 

[newbie23]

thanks BBC appreciate the input

i was just saying it was the docs-cause thats where my PCT debate started-in this thread

 

[Stretch]

I am not sure at this point who's reference to the time you are referring to here. But consider that in 250mgs sust, about 100 is decanoate. Thats substantial after 12 - 16week cycle. I think that one study that Conci posted was using a single 150mg dose of nandrolone decanoate and it was still pissin out at 6 months. I am guessing there have been many failed pcts after sust or deca. While even if PCT will help the brain to forget how long it has been on cycle, that dont mean nothin if the drug is still in your system once the SERM is removed. Also consider that a month of clomid will hang with a 5 day half-life in its self. So you may not even see a failure immediately upon removal.

With these long esters its really hard to say. As they will be around forever, your pct should still be successful to the extent of the remaining exogenous TT. Meaning, if even you wait 35 days to begin the SERM, and then run it for 4 weeks, then two more effective in half life, now you are done but there is still the equivalent of 50mgs/wk of exogenous TT in the sys, you should only shut back down to that degree, MAYBE. If you do not shut down again entirely, then it is very likely that your body will UP natural production to meet demands as the remaining 50mgs peters out over time. So you would never really realize a failure in that case. Note this is with regard to Tdecanoate, and not DECA. That a different story in as you would not be supported with TT as a cause of shutdown. And Deca alone may not be good..... Personally I would guess that for a 12 week 500mg sust cycle, 35 days prior to serm would suffice.... But IT WOULD SUCK. I would alost recommend riding the first 3 of those weeks out with PROP at TRT level dosing....

So you're saying you have to wait a long time to allow the Exogenous T to exit the system, but it's gonna suck because it will be a long time without proper T levels??

Sorry i just couldn't follow

 

[drewbolic]

First let me say...reps to newbie the tread starter and BBC and DOC.
Great thread guys lots of interesting views and theory's.

So let me ask-if one were to be on a cycle of long esters i.e. sus & nan-deca in your opinion would it be a smart decision to close with prop with a very short half life for the last 3 wks or so after the last inj.of the sus & deca?
Would the shorter half life make stasis of waiting for levels of T to be with in reasonable ranges to start serms protocol?

 

[BBC3]

Well I am just saying the T decanoate component of the Sust compound is the "wildcard". The other three are all as short as 3 or 4 days tops. 500sust = 200 decanoate/wk x 12 weeks will add up.....and take a while to remove fully, perhaps 6,9,12 months even. THIS DOES NOT mean that levels wont fall low enough for quasi-restart in 2-3 months........

So you're saying you have to wait a long time to allow the Exogenous T to exit the system, but it's gonna suck because it will be a long time without proper T levels??

Sorry i just couldn't follow

 

[Stretch]

BBC you're the man, and I always have appreciated your willingness to help me, even in my stupidity. However, at times you can be the most frustrating person to ask a question to.

In your opinion. I would like to know exactly how long one should wait, after a 10 week sust cycle (500mg/week) to start serm application??? Using Dr. Scally's PCT method.

I know it's not an exact science and all that B.S. and I know how to figure it out, I just want to know your opinion, in short. I don't care why you came to the conclusion, I just wanna know the conclusion.

The mixing of the esters is confusing me. Should I disregard the shorter esters because of the decanoate?? Or would I start SERM's a little earlier, because only a small amount of decanoate was injected??

Can you handle that??? Asshat??...LOL

 

[BBC3]

If I WERE DOING a Sust cycle, I would run out about 20 Monster weeks and switch to prop for 4 more..... If you are running 16 total, then switch to prop 500/wk only about week 12. then still wait 3 total weeks (post #16) prior to starting SERM. ALSO PIN EOD for sure and use no more than 2 injeciton sites in perfect rotation. If you were going to run a 24 week plan, I would use 4 Total injeciton sites.... PCT in the 24 week case would be diff. of course....

The bottom line is that you are going to have the fuckin Decanoate ester in your ass forever.... But injectied values will fall far enough in 8 weeks post cycle, to need natural production, hence the 4 weeks prop only plus 2 or 3 more for good measure.

Plain and simply, Sust is a TRT Drug. I now know why more than ever.

 

[Stretch]

Thanks bbc

Question wasn't for me it was for a friend.

I'm not on cycle at all right now. Upcoming will be prop, and I won't have this damn problem.

 

[IronCore]

While I appreciate your thoughts on this B... I have to say I am not completely convinced. You say the deconate ester will possibly remain effective for up to 12 months? Any of the other research I have read, starting with the steroid profile, state this drug remains active for up to three weeks after the last injection.

Therefore one should use hCG for the two weeks following the last shot ,and in the third week post shot begin your PCT regimen...

opcorn:

 

[drewbolic]

While I appreciate your thoughts on this B... I have to say I am not completely convinced. You say the deconate ester will possibly remain effective for up to 12 months? Any of the other research I have read, starting with the steroid profile, state this drug remains active for up to three weeks after the last injection.

Therefore one should use hCG for the two weeks following the last shot ,and in the third week post shot begin your PCT regimen...

opcorn:

I know deca can be detected in your system for up to 18 months I think this is his logic....

 

[BBC3]

SSHHHHEeeeeeeeeeeit !!!!!!! Whachu talkin bout Wilils? Test E remains active for 4-6 weeks post last injection!?!??!!? Test prop would probably test positive at 6 weeks.!!! Decanoate ester is more like 15 days total half life action....

It is ENTIRELY subjective, and relative to how much you have taken as a function of TIME, DOSAGE SIZE, DoSAGE LOCATIONS, and ROTATION......

Then you have to define "active":
(1) Enough to supercede natural production to cause complete shutdown.
(2) Enough to cause partial shutdown.
(3) Enough to only be negligeable for testing positive.......

That single study Conci posted stated that Nandrolone Decanoate was still comming out of people 6 months down the road, and after a single 100mg injection!!!!!!!

While I appreciate your thoughts on this B... I have to say I am not completely convinced. You say the deconate ester will possibly remain effective for up to 12 months? Any of the other research I have read, starting with the steroid profile, state this drug remains active for up to three weeks after the last injection.

Therefore one should use hCG for the two weeks following the last shot ,and in the third week post shot begin your PCT regimen...

opcorn:

 

[Stretch]

Revived because it deserves it!!

Go back and read this from the beginning.....ignore BBC that asshat just makes it a boring read!![)]

Just playing bbc