doctor & blood work... im a crazy roid head

[mesomember]

I went to my doc for a physical and requested blood work for the following.


Testosterone
Free testosterone
IGF-1 Estradiol
DHEA/DHEA-s
Full thyroid panel
Total cholesterol
LDL
HDL
Triglycerides
C-reactive protein
Homocysteine
plus liver function test

He looked at me liek iwas fucking crazy and said "why on earth do you need these" I explained that for bodybuilding these would help pinpoint trouble areas, blah blah etc tc.
He asked are you on "androids" I had to laugh, and told him no..I didnt mention that Ive been off for a few months and that I had a killer cycle planned for mid July. Also he said be sure you don't mess with that Creatine either because it will ruin your kidneys, he has patients he is currently seeing with that problem-he claimed. I was just wondering why he treated me like a freak.Have any of you had similar experiences. He just ended up sending me to a lab and stated this my not be covered by your insurance just because you want the tests doen. I said something about what about the old "ounce of prevention" and he said I don't want to argue with you. lol
He also threw in a hiv and urine test and a couple other tests to make me feel that he had some medical competence though.

 

[PUMPED]

i had to switch doctors becuase of a situation like that...my new doctor boy is he good...well worth the switch

 

[ratmonkey]

i'd find a new doc, sounds like he doesn't know his asshole from a hole in the ground.

i don't see a reason why any of those wouldn't be covered by insurance whether you wanted them done or the doc requested them.

 

[pumppumppuk]

Creatine becomes a prob in some that don't consume enough liquids before taking it. at least thats what a good doc told me. he said nothing over 15 grams a week, and add an extra gal of water.


just what i was told




PPP

 

[Kelly Slater]

Wait, don't steroids cause cancer and will make your penis small or something?

I have a dr. like that too. In 2000 i went into the dr and got a full physical and blood work because i was going to do my first cycle. I told him I was going to do 500mg of testosterone a week for 8 weeks. The first 5 weeks was 25mg of dbol a day. After 25 minutes of lecturing about the DANGERS of steroid use and all the problems I was sick of hearing his shit.

Anyway, to this day i still go to that dr. about once a year just for blood tests and he still asks me, "are you still on those steroids" I just tell him no and save him the lecture. Oh and by the way, im still alive and my blood tests are PERFECT.

Peace...kelly

 

[cinnabar8521]

i don't see a reason why any of those wouldn't be covered by insurance whether you wanted them done or the doc requested them.

The reason is simple the ins. doesn't want to pay, BC/BS doesn't pay for my kids vaccinations that are required by law for my kid to go to school(About $1800 worth), and the paid for his circumcision, go figure

 

[tazz]

My doc makes it a point to tell me that using steroids will cause liver cancer everythime he walks in the examination room. I have never once claimed to have used any AAS. He has done blood work, but that is always well after a cycle.

I can't with for he day that he forgets to tell me steroids cause liver cancer so I can tell him on the way out "hey doc . . .any comments on AAS today?"

I should just say I am a little bigger than average becuase I stick the nozzle end of a bicycle pump up my asshole everyday and pump it up until I look huge. . . .. what a fuckass . .. . .

 

[rob3412]

Actually, you cannot be required to vaccinate your child. They like to try to force you, but the fact is they CAN'T DO SHIT if you don't vaccinate your kid. It is not required by law.

isnt it required at schools?

 

[quedog123]

isnt it required at schools?

yes it is i dont know where this guy is going with that comment. they will send your kid home everyday until you have the proper papers proving they have gotten there shots.

 

[stealthdog]

I went to my doc for a physical and requested blood work for the following.


Testosterone
Free testosterone
IGF-1 Estradiol
DHEA/DHEA-s
Full thyroid panel
Total cholesterol
LDL
HDL
Triglycerides
C-reactive protein
Homocysteine
plus liver function test

He looked at me liek iwas fucking crazy and said "why on earth do you need these" I explained that for bodybuilding these would help pinpoint trouble areas, blah blah etc tc.
He asked are you on "androids" I had to laugh, and told him no..I didnt mention that Ive been off for a few months and that I had a killer cycle planned for mid July. Also he said be sure you don't mess with that Creatine either because it will ruin your kidneys, he has patients he is currently seeing with that problem-he claimed. I was just wondering why he treated me like a freak.Have any of you had similar experiences. He just ended up sending me to a lab and stated this my not be covered by your insurance just because you want the tests doen. I said something about what about the old "ounce of prevention" and he said I don't want to argue with you. lol
He also threw in a hiv and urine test and a couple other tests to make me feel that he had some medical competence though.

i had a simulair experience...i asked for a blood test to check my test levels.....lol..she looked at me like i was f'n crazy too...she flat out said no. i laughed and asked why? she replied and said my test levels are not low or i wouldnt be so muscular.

 

[PDP]

Yup, everything those doctor's say is bullshit. There are no serious side effects associated with steroid abuse errr I mean use. We all know better than those doctor's anyway. Fuck I took biology in college, all those doctor's learn in med school is how to pap smears, not much else.


The sad truth is that 1.) if you use enough gear and ancilliaries to be considered a real user you will almost assuredly have some problems with your health either sooner, but most likely latter. 2.) You CANNOT walk into a doctor's office and TELL him what you want. You need to be humble and eat the lecture he's gonna give you... then maybe, just maybe he'll help you out.

 

[PDP]

I don't think anyone is saying that abuse will not harm you. You can harm yourself abusing donuts, but you don't hear doctors telling you the dangers of donuts..

Using 1000mg of AAS a week is ABUSE my friend. AAS were never designed for those doses. 600mg of test with 400mg of deca a few dbols and some nolvadex are very common doses and yes that equates to abuse. Using AAS without a script to increase muscle mass and performance is abuse, plain and simple....

Last time I checked, doctors are serving YOU, so you have every right to tell him what you want. If he doesn't, then fuck him and get another doctor. You don't have to take bullshit from a doctor.
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The reality is the the medical profession is serving more than you as an individual. Comparing most medical professionals to a "service" is inaccuate. They serve greater society and the communities we all live in. Diverting often scarce medical resources to treat punk little fucks that abuse gear is a waste. Moreover, making insurer's bear the cost of marginal medical tests is, in certain instances a criminal offence.

The REALITY is if you don't wanna waste your time, going from doc to doc most people will need to shut their pie holes and stuff the high school biology up their asses. I can just imagine the laughs some of these doc's get when Jimmy zit boy comes into their office beaking off about some shit he heard on Meso.

Getting an education does not mean you're smart...it means you got a degree. I have heard and seen so many rediculous things about doctors that it makes me mad. I would have to say for the most part, they think they're king shits and they know everything and give advice on shit they have no clue on. They're dangerous and they kill thousands of people every year in the US.

Education correlates well with intelligence, don't kid yourself. But ya some doctors are not smart, however they still know more about this issue than 99% of you out there, and that includes a big portion of you reading this post.

Docs save MILLIONs every year in the US, they are not dangerous... you cannot sterotype as you are doing with these comments. In fact the sterotype is the inverse. Most doc's are competent professionals and know more than us about this field.

Doctors cry out against AAS use when they are one of the SAFEST drugs you can possibly take, and are one of the few that actually have permanent lasting benefits. Even if they want to say that abuse is dangerous, I'd love to know why THEY abuse drugs like they do. They abused antibiotics, and it destroys peoples' health and creates resistant bacteria. They write presciptions for any little symptom....

AAS are NOT safe when abused in the manner employed in bodybuilding They do NOT have permanent long lasting benefits in already healthy individuals. In reality they have many negative effects that may only show themselves years from now.

"They" (moden doctors) do NOT write scripts for antibiotics for all symptoms. Resistant bacertia form when PATIENTS fail to take the antibiotics as directed or fail to finish them. The nature of common bacterial infections often requires bacterial cultures to be grown to verify that the infection is bacterial in nature. Often there is no time to waste and antibiotics are prescribed "just in case" (you know so the kid doesn't suffocate to death while the culture is grown.) Finally antibiotics are often used as a safeguard when surgery is performed so that infection does not develop.

 

[lonewolf36]

I went to one of my doctors about three weeks ago, to which I hadn't been in a few months, and he wanted to know why I looked so much healthier and what was up with the increase in muscle size. I told him the truth, and he didn't ask me any questions, just said 'so you problems were lack of anabolics' and 'watch your heart'. Dumbass. So, the next week I go to my GP doctor, who is way better the surgeon mentioned above, and request blood work. He knew exactly what to check, and didn't ask questions. I had already discussed AAS and GH with him before, and said I was thinking of using them to help build up my red blood count and help with increasing my mmune system, and keeping it healthy. Now, after the tests came back, and the blood counts were better, he just says 'so the steroids and gh seem to be helping'. He does not prescribe them for me, as he knows BC/BS does not cover them, or he might. We are almost the same age, and he has talked extensively with me and knows I am well educated on AAS and the like, so we hit it off great. Best doc I ever had.
.

 

[VDC]

Some docs are good and some are bad,,,Swale is cool,,,But most don't put the effort into keeping up with new research,,,The only time they hear about new things is when the Pharmaceautical company rep walks in peddling a new drug,,,

Thousands die each year because of medical errors in hospitals,,,Here in Fl they even cut the wrong foot off of a man,,,They're human,,,VDC

 

[mesomember]

Im feeling ya Frosty! Nice Rant.

 

[PDP]

Treat a punk little fuck that uses AAS is a waste? Which is more of a waste...some person that lays around all day eating junk food and has huge health problems because of it that cost a ton of money....or....someone using AAS to build muscle? Should we stop treating those fat lazy guys?

Treating these people is a duty of the medical profession, both the little punk and the fat fucker... is it a waste of resources.... yes it is.

The insurance companies and all that shit set things up...they have no room to get upset when someone uses their system. That's like when people get mad at businesses for finding tax loopholes - don't get mad at them since they're just playing by the rules that the government created.

What are you talking about? You go to jail for tax EVASION and you go to jail for FRUAD. I think you are missing the point here.

You keep putting people down because they don't have a degree. You fail to realize that many of these doctors lack common sense and have not read their own literature. You don't need a degree for that.

How am I putting "them" down, please don't put words in my mouth. No I do NOT fail to realize this fact. It is YOU who are stereotyping doctors, not I the inverse.

Frosty, the bottom line is that most doc's know more than the lay person about this area, I'm sure you are smart enough to understand that?

It may correlate, but it does not equal, which is my point.

Yes that is what I said Frosty. Unfortunately you are the one saying that:

"I would have to say for the most part, they think they're king shits and they know everything and give advice on shit they have no clue on."

This implies that "most" doctors are idiots in your mind, is that correct?

And I don't know how you can say these doctors saying AAS with blow up your liver and kill you know more than most of us...that's just silly.

LMFAO, no it is correct, repeated use of AAS will damage your liver, and kidney's and HTPA and heart and many other things. I know you don't wanna believe it but it is true my friend. As an old gear head my friends, associates and trainee's can vouch for it.

I sure as hell can stereotype when there are numbers that back me up..

Here is my advice to you, go read the JAMA article and you will get a different story than the one told to you on these marginal websites.

The health system itself certainly has its problems, but NO you cannot stereotype like that. Becuase if you follow your logic then I'd hate to see what you'd have to say about African American's based on conviction rates....

Perhaps take a look at this for a minute. Are AAS drugs? According to your article 106,000 deaths occur due to NON-ERROR drug administration.... hmmmm.

Depends on what you consider "abuse" and "safe". It would be nice to see some evidence...and I mean the effects of using too much testosterone, not taking handfulls of orals.

Ha, are orals AAS, do people abuse them? Are there negative effects? Do people get abcesses from injections? Do people loose hair? get cysticacne? damage kidneys, mess with brain chemistry get depressed have anxiety, panic attacks....suicide!

READ THE POSTS ON THIS SITE FOR PROOF...JESUS how many bro's are complaining of some very serious side effects... open your eyes!

If you want more proof do a search of some of my old posts on this new site or the old board.

If you still don't believe me I have LOTS of info for you, including personnal experiences my friend!

They don't have permanent long lasting benefits? How about increase in muscle fibers? Increase in ARs and muscle tissue? When you're 80 you'll be glad for that extra muscle from that dangerous AAS. And what do you define as "healthy"?

You do not know what you are talking about. Androgen receptor up regulation and muscle fiber increases are NOT truly permanent.

Please don't make me school you.... here is an older post of mine on the semi permanancy of muscle gains that will NOT last into your 80's:

"There is certainly debate over the empirical advantages of Palumbos notorious set-point cycle philosophy. I too was initially skeptical of the science behind it. However upon reflection I realized an important aspect about bodybuilding. I looked around at all the guys I had ever trained with and realized that if they had, at least once during their lives, been well past their genetic maximums, that they carried undeniably more retained mass than those who had never been that far past their maximums. Moreover they were much more easily able to return to a very high percentage of that previous LBM level. The same could not be said of those individuals who had only pushed marginally past their maximums. Basically anecdotal evidence strongly suggests that there exist systemic alterations that occur when a subject greatly exceeds his genetic maximum that allow the individual to 1) retain a greater percentage of LBM post cycle and 2) acquire a greater ability to put that mass on again subsequently. What are these systemic alterations this is where the science comes in. There is strong evidence that, systemically, androgen receptors are capable of up-regulation. [Kemppainen et al. (J Biol Chem 267 968), Endocrinology (1990) 126 1165, J Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology (1990) 37 553, J Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology (1993) 45 333, Endocrinol Japan (1992) 39 235., Endocrinology (1996) 137 1385.] Now, I think that we can all agree that there does exist some biochemical mechanism of up-regulation which correlates highly with androgen levels. What remains to be proven is that this up-regulation imparts some effect beyond acutely increased mRNA translation, translation efficiency, or reduction in AR turnover. If the effects of sustained high androgen levels imparts acute AR increases, does a longer period of sustained androgens impart some semi-permanent effect to these processes which may translate into support of the set-point philosophy? I submit that there is extremely strong anecdotal evidence that this does occur. Moreover there IS a viable scientific theory to explain, at least in some measure, this process through AR up-regulation. "

The fact is, doctors as a whole, along with the medical community, DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT HEALTH.

Oh brother...... Swale you there?

 

[PDP]

I'll keep it simple as well

AAS are dangerous drugs, they contribute to many side effects that you cannot see until you are older. If you use gear for extended periods at "bodybuilding" doses the chances are that you will NOT live until 80, and if you do you may be quite a sick man. Arnold is an example, there are many others.

Doctors are trained professionals. Most know more than the average AAS user. Listen to your doctor. Most of what they say is true.