TAKESHI
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Wtf? 23 lbs in 5 weeks!! You could have said you were eating 1000 calories over maintenance and I would still be shocked!! I HIGHLY suggest you take a AI ASAP!! The water retention can lead to much worse health problems!
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Does testosterone always make you bloat?
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5 weeks, 2 days. Pre-blood to current blood seems ok. No typo, about 200 over per day on average. I'm still vascular in legs, arms and upper chest. Mid-section in where I seem to be holding onto the water.
I just don't want this to turn into 46lbs when I'm done this cycle. More water and drop the 200 extra cals (maybe deficit for a bit) and see if that slows things down.
I just don't want this to turn into 46lbs when I'm done this cycle. More water and drop the 200 extra cals (maybe deficit for a bit) and see if that slows things down.
TAKESHI
New Member
It’s not the bloodwork I’m worried about. Extreme water retention can lead cardiovascular distress and high blood pressure. Your diet is fine, but your reaction to such a low dose of Testosterone is irregular. You shouldn’t be holding onto that much water.
Thanks. I'm looking for a clinic I can run into and get BP measured.
how do you think to avoid water without AI and why dont use AI ?
@ManK I have/had no sides that would indicate the need for an AI until the recent water retention. I'll consider incorporating a low dose of Arimidex and continue to check BP and weight.
Thanks.
Thanks.
id prefer consider the E2 value instead sides: if e2 is in range or few point out you will never hav water retention... or other estrogenic sides.
a low dose of AI will use a lot of time to solve your water retention... at this point
I typically just run proviron or something like that.
Keeps me relatively dry.
Winnie/Mast or Var do it.
I stay pretty dry even with e2 elevated beyond normal levels.
Infact is subjective...
But why consider win or mast or var safest then a AI ?
I'll likely have an E2 number available in the next day or two. I received part of the panel back today.
My take away to combat water retention: drink more water and start an AI to slightly inhibit the estrogen.
As aromatization occurs, E2 rises which can lead to excess water retention, which can promote high BP.
I just like my E2 high.
Personal preference really to be honest.
I believe that guys beat their estro too low and lose our on gains
TAKESHI
New Member
It’s nice you stay dry bro, that’s not really going to help OP. I have been running 100mg if Var 100mg Winny for the last 5 weeks. Not as dry as you might think. Also low estrogen and crushed estrogen are different. As far as losing gains on low estrogen is it’s complete bro science. Yeah making gains can be more difficult and unpleasant with crushed estrogen due to crunchy joints and lethargy.
I am only a proponent of waiting to use an AI until side’s appear for very experienced users that know exactly how they’ll react at what dosage, with blood work to back it up. With this said hormones can be unpredictable. I have a lot experience off “feels” and I recently got a gnarly gyno flare. It’s fine now because I know how to properly handle it.
I think it’s ridiculous when vets give noobs this advice. Better safe then sorry if your inexperienced.
Oh?
that's interesting.
Because every study I've ever read on correlation between estrogen and muscle building disagrees..
Menopause and estrogen affect muscle function
(Showing how Menopause decreases Estrogen, DIRECTLY effecting muscle growth)
Effect of Estrogen on Musculoskeletal Performance and Injury Risk
Showing Dirext correlation between estrogen levels and Injury/muscle growth.
There are many like this, but you get my point.
What you're referring to is something that is touched upon in THIS article.
Increase Muscle Growth by Lowering Estrogen
Esteogen that is not in BALANCE with a man's testosterone, is detrimental to growth.
IF you had said that, I would agree.
Elevated Estroegen is fine..
For SOME people.
This is all personal preference
For example, on cycle @Human_backhoe walks around st 200 E2 and feels great.
Some guys work differently.
Some guys respond differently.
For me, 50mg Proviron is enough to keep my E2 in check at 500mg Testosterone a week.
What's "Irresponsible" is thinking and saying there is a 1 method to fit all.
Bloodwork is essential.
How someone handles their hormones and how they react, is quite personal
Cheers
In YOUR case.
Start hitting up some AI
What kind do you have on hand.
Coupled with your VERY high E2 and your sides, you're going to need some lol.
Start by dosing lightly and pulling more bloods, while watching your water retention.
A friend of mine lost 8 lbs in 1 day because he over reacted eith AI and dropped pretty low
Yes I am liking the higher e2. Also. Even with the little puffiness in the nips.
Aromasin. I used 12.5mg today and will take another in 3 days. I’ll keep this dose for a few weeks and get more bloodwork done.
BP was 169/85 at the clinic.
TAKESHI
New Member
Bro that ain’t gonna cut it. What are you afraid of? I would taken 50mg of aromasin right now! Then 12.5 every day for the next week. Then 12.5 mg eod. Your asking for gyno man.
kosp
Member
that BP is high, lower E2, cardio and tons of spinach.
Your concern for me earlier was high BP due to water retention. Now gyno? Maybe it’s early, but I have no symptoms of it. In any case, I’ll up the AI on your rec.
Thanks.
