The counterfeits I can can get come back 6-7×s. They are good counterfiets. But don't think.your getting cyp right from watson.. it's not.
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He expects his test levels to be over 1k but they were about 900. He also used a different hcg than his last cycle. So i do not see any strong evidence.
More power to you if you think your getting real cyp for 100.00 on the black market. They aren't that accessible. But hey if it works It works. I won't pay that for them when I'm certain I know exactly where they came from.
I don't like saying anyone has counterfeit gear without proof. They charge 150 or 180 I believe for the Watson. Either way I have had great experiences with domestic. Only thing I buy from them is their alpha pharma line.
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The he you are referring to is me.
I don't expect my levels to be over 1k. I expect my levels to be within 10% of my established values when using my prescription testosterone from a pharmacy.
Its all in the thread but I'll say it again:
My values using the Watson were 25% less than the bottom value of my established range on prescription test-c. Thats well outside the acceptable variance.
Yes, the HCG was different and not prescription so there is the possibility it had an impact. However, I did not have any atrophy whatsoever. Nor did I seem to lose an volume of ejaculate.
IMO, there is strong evidence that it is fake.
I respect everyone's opinion. But I do.not see any evidence that proves that it is fake. I have had great dealings with these guys and my bloods always came back great according to my coach. This is just my experience. My bloods have never came back exactly the same even while using the same dosages of the same product. They weren't that far off at all. There are other guys in the thread that have close to the same bloods as you a 160 mg per week of prescription Watson.
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As I said just a few posts back, there is no concrete proof either way. There is a difference between proof that it is in fact fake and evidence that suggests it is.
Because you had great dealings with DS, is that "proof" that the Watson he sells is authentic?
You say, "My bloods have never came back exactly the same even while using the same dosages of the same product." I have a few questions about this statement:
Did I say my bloods should come back exactly the same?
Do you see and interpret your blood work or is it your coach who tells you what they say?
Are you referring to using UGL or prescription AAS?
Was it the same vial or different vials? Same batch or different batch?
You say, "There are other guys in the thread that have close to the same bloods as you a 160 mg per week of prescription Watson."
Yes, this is true but you're missing the point - thats their established value range, not mine. I have my own established value range and the values using Watson from DS did not match.
Most of the gear I use is pharm grade. As I have said same batch. Also there is room for error in every blood test.
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Not sure if you're referring to Alpha Pharma or not but they are not pharm grade.
Yes, there is room for error and its up to about 20%, like I said earlier.
I consider alpha a top notch ugl. So I am not referring to them. However I. Other cpu tries they are pharm grade.
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Is your pharm grade prescription directly from a pharmacy or bought off black market?
If you're on prescription pharm grade using the same dosing protocols, with regular blood work, whats your variance range?
Mine is around 1200-1400 on prescription testosterone. Note that the 25% difference using Watson from DS was calculated from my low range.
If you're on prescription pharm grade using the same dosing protocols, with regular blood work, whats your variance range?
Mine is around 1200-1400 on prescription testosterone. Note that the 25% difference using Watson from DS was calculated from my low range.
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