Dosing advice

[99people99]

Hi, I am taking test c 200 mg a week on my cruise/trt. My total T came back at 1200 ng/dl at through pinning e3.5d. Free t was above reference range too. I would like to cruise around 700-800 ng/dl.

Is dosing usually linear? Meaning if I lower the dose by 25% will my total lower by that much?

Also hearing a lot of opinions on eod vs 3.5d injections. Is this placebo or does it has merit for more stable levels?

 

[Eddie.]

If you pin twice a week you can't cruise at a certain level of ~100ng/dl since your hormones will fluctuate every day. With 2 times pinning you have to decide where you want your lowest level (or your highest) and start experimenting.

For stable levels you'll have to inject as frequent as possible, ED is the best because you'll hit a level and from there everyday will be the same with no peaks and troughs. If you find it too excessive then EOD is the second best choise for stable levels.

For some guys numbers don't mean that much. If you're feeling ok with your current protocol maybe there's no need to change it. Usually it helps guys with mood swings, acne, estrogen problems etc.

 

[99people99]

If you pin twice a week you can't cruise at a certain level of ~100ng/dl since your hormones will fluctuate every day. With 2 times pinning you have to decide where you want your lowest level (or your highest) and start experimenting.

For stable levels you'll have to inject as frequent as possible, ED is the best because you'll hit a level and from there everyday will be the same with no peaks and troughs. If you find it too excessive then EOD is the second best choise for stable levels.

For some guys numbers don't mean that much. If you're feeling ok with your current protocol maybe there's no need to change it. Usually it helps guys with mood swings, acne, estrogen problems etc.

In your experience is it that much of a difference in sides pinning ed vs eod? I am currently doing e3.5d but am leaning towards eod.

My plan was to lower to 120 mg a week eod pins. 200 mg feel like is to much for off cycle persoanlly, still feel like I am on.

I am having bad back acne and sweating alot, also need AI on this dose. I want to let my body heal so my blasts are even better, preferably with minimal AI.

 

[ManK]

with 20mg Test E EOD SUBQ i am alays stable @ 740-750ng (are just 70 mg week)

 

[Eddie.]

In your experience is it that much of a difference in sides pinning ed vs eod? I am currently doing e3.5d but am leaning towards eod.

My plan was to lower to 120 mg a week eod pins. 200 mg feel like is to much for off cycle persoanlly, still feel like I am on.

I am having bad back acne and sweating alot, also need AI on this dose. I want to let my body heal so my blasts are even better, preferably with minimal AI.

I can't give you a legit answer to that because since day 1 of my gear i was doing ED shots. I never encountered acne, water retention, high BP etc. Now for the last 25 days where i ended my cycle and started my cruise i'm doing for the first time MWF and it goes well. Although, i'm pinning subcutaneous with test E in castor oil, so the absorption is very slow and the peaks and troughs as stable as it gets for that pinning protocol.

I think it's a wise decision to get down to ref range levels and get your issues sorted before starting a cycle again. Sounds like a good plan going for 120mg in EOD protocol, 1200ng is high for trt. So start doing this and after 4 weeks go check your total test and e2 and let us know how it's going.

with 20mg Test E EOD SUBQ i am alays stable @ 740-750ng (are just 70 mg week)

Damn, you're lucky. On cycle with 325mg/week test and ED pinning subc my test levels were 1470.

 

[99people99]

I can't give you a legit answer to that because since day 1 of my gear i was doing ED shots. I never encountered acne, water retention, high BP etc. Now for the last 25 days where i ended my cycle and started my cruise i'm doing for the first time MWF and it goes well. Although, i'm pinning subcutaneous with test E in castor oil, so the absorption is very slow and the peaks and troughs as stable as it gets for that pinning protocol.

I think it's a wise decision to get down to ref range levels and get your issues sorted before starting a cycle again. Sounds like a good plan going for 120mg in EOD protocol, 1200ng is high for trt. So start doing this and after 4 weeks go check your total test and e2 and let us know how it's going.



Damn, you're lucky. On cycle with 325mg/week test and ED pinning subc my test levels were 1470.

Okay thanks for the advice, will retest levels in a few weeks and report back

 

[Liter O' Test]

I can't give you a legit answer to that because since day 1 of my gear i was doing ED shots. I never encountered acne, water retention, high BP etc. Now for the last 25 days where i ended my cycle and started my cruise i'm doing for the first time MWF and it goes well. Although, i'm pinning subcutaneous with test E in castor oil, so the absorption is very slow and the peaks and troughs as stable as it gets for that pinning protocol.

I think it's a wise decision to get down to ref range levels and get your issues sorted before starting a cycle again. Sounds like a good plan going for 120mg in EOD protocol, 1200ng is high for trt. So start doing this and after 4 weeks go check your total test and e2 and let us know how it's going.



Damn, you're lucky. On cycle with 325mg/week test and ED pinning subc my test levels were 1470.

yeah i did subq for a couple months and my testosterone levels were lower than IM and I still have what feels like scar tissue in my lower abdomen fat from the pharma test / ugl tren.

IFBB PRO Roman Fritz mentioned someone else having the same problem and i think subq is kind of a meme. Personally I dont even trust that its absorbed evenly ED in stomach fat, too many variables.

 

[Eddie.]

yeah i did subq for a couple months and my testosterone levels were lower than IM and I still have what feels like scar tissue in my lower abdomen fat from the pharma test / ugl tren.

IFBB PRO Roman Fritz mentioned someone else having the same problem and i think subq is kind of a meme. Personally I dont even trust that its absorbed evenly ED in stomach fat, too many variables.

I'm doing only glutes and after 200 shots i haven't any scar tissue yet, but i'm thinking trying IM for my upcoming cycle to see if i have better numbers. Thing is i have to pin again ED to have an idea because with fewer injections the peaks will obviously be higher. Also, in that measurement i had primo in the mix and at least 2 other guys here reported that in test solo, a given amount reach higher ng/dl compared to test/primo, despite the same test milligrams. It's confusing..

 

[ackmack78]

In your experience is it that much of a difference in sides pinning ed vs eod? I am currently doing e3.5d but am leaning towards eod.

My plan was to lower to 120 mg a week eod pins. 200 mg feel like is to much for off cycle persoanlly, still feel like I am on.

I am having bad back acne and sweating alot, also need AI on this dose. I want to let my body heal so my blasts are even better, preferably with minimal AI.

Unless you're having issues wd pinning is a pain in the ass and gets old quick. If you're fine with 2x a week and arent having crazy mood swings or feeling like shit I'd leave it alone. 8 weeks of daily pinning is a pain I can't imagine for the rest of my life.

For bacne and to reduce ai use try knocking your dose down to 140-160/week. One thing daily or EOD pinning will do though is reduce estrogen so that's a trade off to consider. Personally I wouldnt do more than 3x a week pinning for TRT but it's up to you.

 

[Vajfan]

Pinning every day typically reduces the side effects if you are on a therapeutic dose of TRT. 200mgs per week is the high end of TRT. 200mg/week also puts me around 1200 Total and although thats not a “crazy” level, I typically feel better around 750ish. My prescibed dose is 140mg/week but I take 120 because everything feels and is (based on bloods) running like a well oiled machine. Long story short, I’ve been in this situation before and for me, less is more. I would reduce my dosage to 120-140/week max, remove the AI which is another variable and try daily subQ injections (31g slin pin 5/16ths) for 3 weeks or so to see how you feel. I recommend a diary and being honest with yourself as well. Get it right, this is for life

And get your bloods!

Side note - daily pinning really isnt that bad and your levels are always consistent. The risk for scar tissue is much lower as well because it’s a tiny needle and only ~8-10 units of oil (using 120-140/week as an example).